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Why hasn't Ukraine surrendered?

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I thought everyone knew that they will lose without US aid. The truth is that Ukrainians cannot and will not surrender. Putin has given them no choice but to fight or die. Trump wants more Ukrainians to die and wants to prolong the war but that will not change the outcome. Russia cannot defeat Ukraine and Ukraine still controls more territory than they did 2 years ago. This video explains some of the reasons that Ukraine will win and Trump will lose.

 
People thought the Ukraine war would be over in a day. Instead they have gone toe to toe with a world superpower for four years. The US and its allies helped, but it wouldn't matter of the Ukrainian people didn't have the courage and grit to get out and defend their homes and their democracy.
 
Cameron said:
People thought the Ukraine war would be over in a day. Instead they have gone toe to toe with a world superpower for four years. The US and its allies helped, but it wouldn't matter of the Ukrainian people didn't have the courage and grit to get out and defend their homes and their democracy.
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It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
 
Cameron said:
People thought the Ukraine war would be over in a day. Instead they have gone toe to toe with a world superpower for four years. The US and its allies helped, but it wouldn't matter of the Ukrainian people didn't have the courage and grit to get out and defend their homes and their democracy.
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What Trump fails to mention is that in the 1st weeks of the war they had no help from anyone and still took back most of the territory that Russia took in the beginning of the war. Trump has chosen the losing side as usual. He has done this all his life and cannot seem to stop himself.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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What a load of tripe.
If putin had the ability to overcome Ukraine, he'd definitely of completely swarmed them already.
Even if putins forces do ever occupy Ukraine, I think the underground resistance putins troops would encounter would be endless.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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LOL. You gotta be kidding.

The northern Ukraine campaign was a theater of operation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It involved attacks by Russia across the Russo-Ukrainian and Belarusian–Ukrainian borders, beginning on 24 February 2022, for control of Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine, and the surrounding areas of Kyiv Oblast and northern regions Zhytomyr Oblast, Sumy Oblast, and Chernihiv Oblast.[46][47][3][48] Kyiv is the seat of the Ukrainian government and the headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Posts that spout Russian propaganda sound increasingly stupid.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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LOL You must think we are all as stupid as Trump. Putin's invasion started as a failed attack on Kiev. Putin has said the Ukraine is not a country too. He plans on taking it all and does not care at what cost. The last 3 years should have made that clear to you. Repeating the exact same excuse that Hitler gave for invading Poland does not help your case either. Do you really think that using Hitler's words makes you sound reasonable? Do you even know that Zelensky is an ethnic Russian who won the vote eastern provinces of Ukraine overwhelmingly?
 
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Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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Where are those "ethnic Russians" now?
 
iguanaman said:
I thought everyone knew that they will lose without US aid. The truth is that Ukrainians cannot and will not surrender. Putin has given them no choice but to fight or die. Trump wants more Ukrainians to die and wants to prolong the war but that will not change the outcome. Russia cannot defeat Ukraine and Ukraine still controls more territory than they did 2 years ago. This video explains some of the reasons that Ukraine will win and Trump will lose.

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They are not surrendering because they have what MAGA lacks.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country.
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That's a lie. It was always Putin's goal to completely overrun Ukraine, and that certainly hasn't changed. It's why he started bombing Kiev right from the start. And Ukraine was just the first stop to taking back Eastern Europe, all the way to the Baltic states, for a land link to Kaliningrad.
Lord of Planar said:
Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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Total bullshit propaganda. No ethnic Russian were being held against their will in Ukraine. If Putin was concerned about them, they could have much more easily moved right across the border into Russia, rather than become victims of his imperialist war. Instead, their cities and towns in Luhansk and Donetsk have now been leveled, their homes and infrastructure destroyed, and hundreds of square kilometers in the region are now saturated with Russian land mines. That's how Putin "protects" his ethnic Russians.
 
MamboDervish said:
That's a lie. It was always Putin's goal to completely overrun Ukraine, and that certainly hasn't changed. It's why he started bombing Kiev right from the start. And Ukraine was just the first stop to taking back Eastern Europe, all the way to the Baltic states, for a land link to Kaliningrad.

Total bullshit propaganda. No ethnic Russian were being held against their will in Ukraine. If Putin was concerned about them, they could have much more easily moved right across the border into Russia, rather than become victims of his imperialist war. Instead, their cities and towns in Luhansk and Donetsk have now been leveled, their homes destroyed, and hundreds of square kilometers in the region are now saturated with Russian land mines. That's how Putin "protects" his ethnic Russians.
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Putin: we are going to help you by destroying your homes.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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That is obviously untrue, as the Russian Federation's position is Ukraine shouldn't exist as an independent state and sent multiple CAAs, in addition to several VDV units, to seize the capital of Ukraine at the onset of the war.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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That's the same reason Hitler used to justify invading Austria & Czechoslavakia. Seems like history is repeating itself.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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Raw horseshit. The first thing they did was to try to take Kyiv.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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The ethnic Russians that "moved in" during Soviet rule had/have every chance to return to Mother Russia if they dont like Ukraine. Then they wont need Russia's protection. Russia signed the Ukraine sovereignty treaty for their historic Ukraine homeland and is expected to respect it. Obviously they havent. They got away with Crimea. Now they're beating on Ukraine. If Ukraine surrenders...who's next?

And Russia has even failed to do what it set out to do illegally. Why does MAGA now expect mango MAGAt magnet/the US to reward them?
 
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