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Why hasn't Ukraine surrendered?

Lord of Planar said:
It was never Russia's goal to take and harm the whole country. Only protect the ethnic Russians from the criminal government. They could easily do so if that was their goal.
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That's why they drove a column of armor tens of miles long towards Kyiv only to be stopped at the suburbs....
 
Cameron said:
People thought the Ukraine war would be over in a day. Instead they have gone toe to toe with a world superpower for four years. The US and its allies helped, but it wouldn't matter of the Ukrainian people didn't have the courage and grit to get out and defend their homes and their democracy.
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Ukraine did good but it's been 3 years now. Time to negotiate?
 
Silversage1 said:
Ukraine did good but it's been 3 years now. Time to negotiate?
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Why do people think it's Ukraine that doesn't want to negotiate? That's ridiculous. The problem is that in negotiations both sides get something. Neither Trump nor Putin nor anyone else has offered Ukraine anything for the land Russia now holds. Ukraine wants peace guarantees if it cedes the land to Russia. But they're getting nothing so they must keep fighting.

Putin invades Ukraine and somehow the war is Ukraine's fault. Get real.

Whatever happens, Zelenskyy and Ukraine will go down in history as an inspiration to all who fight for freedom.
 
Stick a fork in em'

Ukraine is done.
 
VySky said:
Stick a fork in em' Ukraine is done.
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Stick a knife in them what you actually mean.

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Loulit01 said:
Would you surrender to Putin? You can take Putin out of the KGB, but you can't take the KGB out of Putin.
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A Russian takeover of Ukraine would mean a Holodomor 2.0

Probably another thing Trump doesn't understand in regards to this issue. Ukrainians are afraid of history repeating itself.
 
Roadvirus said:
A Russian takeover of Ukraine would mean a Holodomor 2.0

Probably another thing Trump doesn't understand in regards to this issue. Ukrainians are afraid of history repeating itself.
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Do you think he'd care tho? I dont. IMO he just wants credit for ending the war, a Nobel Peace Prize, and the approval of his hero. And yes, that's all.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I believe many are in Russia now, along with the children.
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You mean the 20,000 kidnapped Ukrainian children stolen from their parents and relocated deep in Russia? Also most of the men in the occupied areas have been conscripted and sent to the meat waves on the front. This is what will happen to the million Ukrainians in the territory Putin is demanding be turned over to him for a temporary ceasefire. Now do you see why Ukraine can never agree to that?
 
Lursa said:
Do you think he'd care tho? I dont. IMO he just wants credit for ending the war, a Nobel Peace Prize, and the approval of his hero. And yes, that's all.
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Like I said in this thread. Trump is only prolonging the war not ending it. Ukraine has only begun to fight and if their backs are ever up against the wall they will make Russia pay dearly for this genocide. Russia is totally unprotected from Ukraine's drones and they are now making 4 million of them a year. They have avoided civilians in their attacks on Russia but dirty bombs on Moscow and other cities is not a difficult thing for them to achieve. Trump may rue the day he decided to back Russia because he will be to blame if Ukraine is forced to use their nuclear option against Russia's civilians.
 
Lursa said:
The ethnic Russians that "moved in" during Soviet rule had/have every chance to return to Mother Russia if they dont like Ukraine.
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They have been there as far back as Tsarist Russia. Get real


Lursa said:
Then they wont need Russia's protection. Russia signed the Ukraine sovereignty treaty for their historic Ukraine homeland and is expected to respect it. Obviously they havent. They got away with Crimea. Now they're beating on Ukraine. If Ukraine surrenders...who's next?
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Those who believe they are next would have already sent soldiers to Ukraine. That none have is clear evidence that it is all hot air


Lursa said:
And Russia has even failed to do what it set out to do illegally. Why does MAGA now expect mango MAGAt magnet/the US to reward them?
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If Russia has failed then Zelensky does not need Trump :)
 
Juin said:
They have been there as far back as Tsarist Russia. Get real
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So they lived in Ukraine then? By choice? Then they chose to be Ukraines. And they still had/have a choice.

Juin said:
Those who believe they are next would have already sent soldiers to Ukraine. That none have is clear evidence that it is all hot air
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That has nothing to do with what I wrote (that I can see.)

Juin said:
If Russia has failed then Zelensky does not need Trump :)
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He has failed...but he wont stop. Putin thought he'd be in and out in a week, a month. He ****ed up and many lives have been lost. Any assistance Zelensky can get...looks like it's going to be Europe (y)...will save more lives if it ends the war.
 
Lord of Planar said:
He probably will if Zelenski does not agree to the conditional surrender on the plate.
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What, with the snailkrieg?

It's been over 3 years and they aren't halfway from Donetsk City to Dnipro City.

At this rate, they will get to the Ukrainian border with Poland in 2050 or so.
 
Lursa said:
So they lived in Ukraine then? By choice? Then they chose to be Ukraines. And they still had/have a choice.
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And they have chosen NOT to be Ukrainians anymore. Is that something new? The colonists of the thirteen colonies chosed to be English subjects, then later on chosed to be English subjects no more


Lursa said:
That has nothing to do with what I wrote (that I can see.)
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You asked who was next after Ukraine. If Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia truly believe they are next then their soldiers should be in Ukraine fighting Russia now rather than later



Lursa said:
He has failed...but he wont stop. Putin thought he'd be in and out in a week, a month. He ****ed up and many lives have been lost. Any assistance Zelensky can get...looks like it's going to be Europe (y)...will save more lives if it ends the war.
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If Putin has failed then Trump is not needed
 
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