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Why EVERY American should be furious about the IRS.

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If you dont know WHY the IRS scandal is so bad, heres an introduction. Our own govt targeting us, based on our beliefs-and then trying to cover up for it by lying to us.

Its a shame taking the senate from the dems will be needed to get more info from both the IRS and Obama. Mark my words-this isn't a "fake" scandal, its not going away, and the truth is going to come out.

 
If you dont know WHY the IRS scandal is so bad, heres an introduction. Our own govt targeting us, based on our beliefs-and then trying to cover up for it by lying to us.

Its a shame taking the senate from the dems will be needed to get more info from both the IRS and Obama. Mark my words-this isn't a "fake" scandal, its not going away, and the truth is going to come out.



You call 43 minute video an "introduction"!
 
You call 43 minute video an "introduction"!

The first 5 minutes set the tone. However, this is indeed an intro-when you look at how systemic this is, and what was done to those targeted its horrifying. What was done by this IRS, to politically target Americans is simply staggering...its WORSE than you think you know.
 
]its WORSE than you think you know.

It is way worse, because the IRS is just the tip of the iceberg. Other enforcement agencies are involved. Thousands of Republican's have been illegally and improperly attacked by the enforcement arms of many government agencies. And much more aggressively attacked than the IRS examples. The perception is that IRS delayed a few 503 applications, but the other enforcement agencies have fined and jailed conservatives, merely for their political lean.

This is how I believe it worked and continues to work. A central Democrat-liberal clearing-house collects huge amounts of data on all citizens and refers Republican-donors to a special sub-section dedicated to prosecuting. This clearing-house office refers the Republican-conservative name to an enforcement agency where they have an operative like Lois Lerner in place. The "Lois Lerner" of that agency inserts the Republican-conservative name into the agency's investigation procedure as a "person they would like to prosecute" for some or any offense. These agencies perform a cursory check of the Republican-conservative and refer whatever best set of false charges they can find. Sometimes the charges might even be true, but they needn't be. After all, the government can and does win improper prosecutions routinely. The media push to brand all Republican's (with help from people like Reid and Pelosi) as evil criminals and enemies of the state, contributes to the "jury tampering" that enables prosecutors to get unfair convictions. Regardless whether the Republican-conservative is technically guilty or not, he is forced to defend himself, for years, in many cases and while defending himself, he isn't as effective in politics.

Look at a couple cases one not guilty and one technically guilty. First, Tom Delay. Delay was the third highest ranking congressman in the House. He was falsely-accused of money laundering and had to step-down. One false accusation and the Republican leadership was severely harmed, some argue, it never recovered from the loss of Tom Delay. House leadership replaced with big-government statists like Boehner and Cantor. Prosecutors did "indict a ham-sandwich" and Delay fought his legal battle for nine-long years before the system cleared him completely. Clearing completely is extremely difficult, because once the system gets hold, everyone involved likes to get a piece of the victim and at least leave the victim with some minor charge-conviction, so it can't be said pursuit was entirely misplaced. That nine-years of rabid attacks were somehow justified? But, that wasn't the case with Delay. He was completely exonerated.

The second case wasn't. Dinesh D'Souza is a conservative thinker and intellectual. His name was put into the shadowy clearing-house and referred for election law prosecution. A cursory look by investigators friendly to the Democrat cause showed Dinesh bundled some donations that were technical violations of an obscure law (that shouldn't be law in the first place, but that's another story). Dinesh was technically guilty, but he wasn't treated equitably, because not everyone is scrutinized equally. So, what we end up with is Republican-conservatives cowering and running scared to do anything at all. Scared to do anything political, but also afraid to do anything in their personal or business lives either. Meanwhile Democrats run wild, fearing nothing.

The clearing-house has friends in the EPA, IRS (of course), DOJ, DOE, DCAA, Fish & Game and many others. These agencies and many more are processing thousands of Republican-conservative names every year. Falsely-accusing them and forcing their heads-down. Republicans, especially donors are rightly afraid to participate in the democratic process. This chilling-effect is unlawful and unhealthy for democracy. It's led to an unnatural and improper liberal bias in government. Democrats are more liberal than they'd otherwise be and Republican's are more statist, central controllers than they'd otherwise be. It taints the entire political process in America.

The clearing-house needs to be exposed and every single tentacle, in every single government agency excised.
 
It is way worse, because the IRS is just the tip of the iceberg. Other enforcement agencies are involved. Thousands of Republican's have been illegally and improperly attacked by the enforcement arms of many government agencies. And much more aggressively attacked than the IRS examples. The perception is that IRS delayed a few 503 applications, but the other enforcement agencies have fined and jailed conservatives, merely for their political lean.

This is how I believe it worked and continues to work. A central Democrat-liberal clearing-house collects huge amounts of data on all citizens and refers Republican-donors to a special sub-section dedicated to prosecuting. This clearing-house office refers the Republican-conservative name to an enforcement agency where they have an operative like Lois Lerner in place. The "Lois Lerner" of that agency inserts the Republican-conservative name into the agency's investigation procedure as a "person they would like to prosecute" for some or any offense. These agencies perform a cursory check of the Republican-conservative and refer whatever best set of false charges they can find. Sometimes the charges might even be true, but they needn't be. After all, the government can and does win improper prosecutions routinely. The media push to brand all Republican's (with help from people like Reid and Pelosi) as evil criminals and enemies of the state, contributes to the "jury tampering" that enables prosecutors to get unfair convictions. Regardless whether the Republican-conservative is technically guilty or not, he is forced to defend himself, for years, in many cases and while defending himself, he isn't as effective in politics.

Look at a couple cases one not guilty and one technically guilty. First, Tom Delay. Delay was the third highest ranking congressman in the House. He was falsely-accused of money laundering and had to step-down. One false accusation and the Republican leadership was severely harmed, some argue, it never recovered from the loss of Tom Delay. House leadership replaced with big-government statists like Boehner and Cantor. Prosecutors did "indict a ham-sandwich" and Delay fought his legal battle for nine-long years before the system cleared him completely. Clearing completely is extremely difficult, because once the system gets hold, everyone involved likes to get a piece of the victim and at least leave the victim with some minor charge-conviction, so it can't be said pursuit was entirely misplaced. That nine-years of rabid attacks were somehow justified? But, that wasn't the case with Delay. He was completely exonerated.

The second case wasn't. Dinesh D'Souza is a conservative thinker and intellectual. His name was put into the shadowy clearing-house and referred for election law prosecution. A cursory look by investigators friendly to the Democrat cause showed Dinesh bundled some donations that were technical violations of an obscure law (that shouldn't be law in the first place, but that's another story). Dinesh was technically guilty, but he wasn't treated equitably, because not everyone is scrutinized equally. So, what we end up with is Republican-conservatives cowering and running scared to do anything at all. Scared to do anything political, but also afraid to do anything in their personal or business lives either. Meanwhile Democrats run wild, fearing nothing.

The clearing-house has friends in the EPA, IRS (of course), DOJ, DOE, DCAA, Fish & Game and many others. These agencies and many more are processing thousands of Republican-conservative names every year. Falsely-accusing them and forcing their heads-down. Republicans, especially donors are rightly afraid to participate in the democratic process. This chilling-effect is unlawful and unhealthy for democracy. It's led to an unnatural and improper liberal bias in government. Democrats are more liberal than they'd otherwise be and Republican's are more statist, central controllers than they'd otherwise be. It taints the entire political process in America.

The clearing-house needs to be exposed and every single tentacle, in every single government agency excised.

We are GOING to get to the bottom of this, I guarantee it.
 
The first 5 minutes set the tone. However, this is indeed an intro-when you look at how systemic this is, and what was done to those targeted its horrifying. What was done by this IRS, to politically target Americans is simply staggering...its WORSE than you think you know.

You know what an introduction is?

This:

This video serves not only to entertain you, but to make you aware of the topic at hand in a little over 5 minutes as well as it's larger implications.

How about this, I'll take care of the intro part, (my video does a better job of getting people interested than yours also, not that it's a competition :P) your 43 minute video can handle more in depth stuff.
 
If you dont know WHY the IRS scandal is so bad, heres an introduction. Our own govt targeting us, based on our beliefs-and then trying to cover up for it by lying to us.

Its a shame taking the senate from the dems will be needed to get more info from both the IRS and Obama. Mark my words-this isn't a "fake" scandal, its not going away, and the truth is going to come out.



Therefor we must abolish it! :roll:
 
You know what an introduction is?

This:

This video serves not only to entertain you, but to make you aware of the topic at hand in a little over 5 minutes as well as it's larger implications.

How about this, I'll take care of the intro part, (my video does a better job of getting people interested than yours also, not that it's a competition :P) your 43 minute video can handle more in depth stuff.


Yeah...some people, when learning about corruption in our government, want to be entertained. :roll:
 
We are GOING to get to the bottom of this, I guarantee it.

I wish that were true. I'm just not so sure.


Lookit. Bill Clinton got a BLOW JOB, something that's FAIRLY meaningless in the greater scheme of things. And yet...he LIED about it, and it took....what...YEARS? He finished out his presidency. AFTER LYING in court. Perjury is a pretty serious offense. What prison did he go to? Oh, wait....he DIDN'T. Gonzalez said "I have no recollection" or something similar 71 times. And got off clean.


I have no faith in our system, because it's developed and run by the very people we're now trying to hold accountable.
 
Yeah...some people, when learning about corruption in our government, want to be entertained. :roll:

Trust me, people learn more when you add a little humor into your facts (and by the way, they retain the knowledge better) then listening to monotone man going on and on and on in a 43 minute lecture. Besides all that we're talking about here is a primer, and Stewart's video does a better job in that role at the very least.

I wish that were true. I'm just not so sure.


Lookit. Bill Clinton got a BLOW JOB, something that's FAIRLY meaningless in the greater scheme of things. And yet...he LIED about it, and it took....what...YEARS? He finished out his presidency. AFTER LYING in court. Perjury is a pretty serious offense. What prison did he go to? Oh, wait....he DIDN'T. Gonzalez said "I have no recollection" or something similar 71 times. And got off clean.


I have no faith in our system, because it's developed and run by the very people we're now trying to hold accountable.

I don't think it's fair to compare ol' Bill getting a BJ to the IRS targeting political organization of the opposing viewpoint of the current administration.
 
Trust me, people learn more when you add a little humor into your facts (and by the way, they retain the knowledge better) then listening to monotone man going on and on and on in a 43 minute lecture. Besides all that we're talking about here is a primer, and Stewart's video does a better job in that role at the very least.



I don't think it's fair to compare ol' Bill getting a BJ to the IRS targeting political organization of the opposing viewpoint of the current administration.

How about perjury, then?
 
If you dont know WHY the IRS scandal is so bad, heres an introduction. Our own govt targeting us, based on our beliefs-and then trying to cover up for it by lying to us.

Its a shame taking the senate from the dems will be needed to get more info from both the IRS and Obama. Mark my words-this isn't a "fake" scandal, its not going away, and the truth is going to come out.




Your information is outdated. As it turned out, the IRS targeted a number of new not-for-profit orgs' exemption status validity. It's a no-brainer that the IRS investigated (and SHOULD have investigated) organizations FORMED FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENDING INCOME TAXES. Groups called "Taxed Enough Already" (the "TEA" party) and others like it sprang up after Obama's election. There were many of them that were created the same year.

Life Lession #102: If you don't want to be investigated by the IRS for legitimacy of your non-profit organization, don't name it "TAXES ARE WRONG AND SHOULD BE ABOLISHED." Especially if 300 others are formed in the same year for the same purpose, basically.

It's not like they were formed for the purpose of helping with disasters, like the Red Cross.

Democratic organizations were also investigated.
 
How about perjury, then?

The problem was that it was never about seeking justice, it was political to it's core. The IRS scandal is far more serious, as it threatens the very fabric of what it means to be a competent government

Really Kevin, you think a President should lose his job because he stretched the meaning of what "sex" is?
 
Your information is outdated. As it turned out, the IRS targeted a number of new not-for-profit orgs' exemption status validity. It's a no-brainer that the IRS investigated (and SHOULD have investigated) organizations FORMED FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENDING INCOME TAXES. Groups called "Taxed Enough Already" (the "TEA" party) and others like it sprang up after Obama's election. There were many of them that were created the same year.

Life Lession #102: If you don't want to be investigated by the IRS for legitimacy of your non-profit organization, don't name it "TAXES ARE WRONG AND SHOULD BE ABOLISHED." Especially if 300 others are formed in the same year for the same purpose, basically.

It's not like they were formed for the purpose of helping with disasters, like the Red Cross.

Democratic organizations were also investigated.

So you are saying the IRS was justified in targeting predominantly conservative political organization (while liberals were targeted, it wasn't anywhere near the level or numbers of Conservatives) because they had opposing political viewpoints? That doesn't seem wrong to you?
 
So you are saying the IRS was justified in targeting predominantly conservative political organization (while liberals were targeted, it wasn't anywhere near the level or numbers of Conservatives) because they had opposing political viewpoints? That doesn't seem wrong to you?
No, its only wrong to people like him when liberals are targeted under a republican administration. Liberals doing it is fine.
 
You know what an introduction is?

This:

This video serves not only to entertain you, but to make you aware of the topic at hand in a little over 5 minutes as well as it's larger implications.

How about this, I'll take care of the intro part, (my video does a better job of getting people interested than yours also, not that it's a competition :P) your 43 minute video can handle more in depth stuff.


Fine but a liberal commentator posing as a commentator is NOT an unbiased or informative source.
 
Yeah...some people, when learning about corruption in our government, want to be entertained. :roll:
Guess who.
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Your information is outdated. As it turned out, the IRS targeted a number of new not-for-profit orgs' exemption status validity. It's a no-brainer that the IRS investigated (and SHOULD have investigated) organizations FORMED FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENDING INCOME TAXES.

Simply untrue-they have criteria that are acceptable to use to scrutinize groups. Being about (amongst other things) reducing taxes is not a sufficient reason. We know this, they have said as much (and apologized, ha) and its much worse than that-even if you'd like to think otherwise.
 
Your information is outdated. As it turned out, the IRS targeted a number of new not-for-profit orgs' exemption status validity. It's a no-brainer that the IRS investigated (and SHOULD have investigated) organizations FORMED FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENDING INCOME TAXES. Groups called "Taxed Enough Already" (the "TEA" party) and others like it sprang up after Obama's election. There were many of them that were created the same year.

Life Lession #102: If you don't want to be investigated by the IRS for legitimacy of your non-profit organization, don't name it "TAXES ARE WRONG AND SHOULD BE ABOLISHED." Especially if 300 others are formed in the same year for the same purpose, basically.

It's not like they were formed for the purpose of helping with disasters, like the Red Cross.

Democratic organizations were also investigated.

Wait...

Your justification for the IRS action is because the non-profits are "against taxes"???

That is downright pathetic, dude!
 
The problem was that it was never about seeking justice, it was political to it's core. The IRS scandal is far more serious, as it threatens the very fabric of what it means to be a competent government

Really Kevin, you think a President should lose his job because he stretched the meaning of what "sex" is?

He lied, dude. Plain and simple.


Is that not what the IRS is currently doing with every hard drive that suddenly crashes?

Look, I'm not gonna argue which one is more serious, you're right, what the IRS did (allegedly, lol) is way more serious than getting sucked off in the oval office, and then fibbing about it. But it doesn't change the fact that, IMO, no major heads are gonna roll for this. Sure, some poor schmuck is gonna take the fall. But as with most white collar crime, the real perps are never, EVER gonna see the light of justice shining their way.

That's just not the american way.
 
the real perps are never, EVER gonna see the light of justice shining their way.

That's just not the american way.

Not, if you give them a pass, by passing it off as business as usual? You are the problem. If you demanded the truth... the full truth, you would get it.
 
Not, if you give them a pass, by passing it off as business as usual? You are the problem. If you demanded the truth... the full truth, you would get it.

Demand it of whom? My congressman? Senator? As far as I'm concerned, half of them are complicit. I'm not giving them a pass, I'm pointing out a truth you seem reluctant to see.


But hey, maybe I'm wrong, eh? Maybe OJ DIDN'T get away with murder, maybe someone from Goldman Sach's WILL actually go to prison, and maybe, just maybe, Holder will spill the beans.


But I doubt it.
 
I mean seriously, just how many times do we have to see this same dog and pony act, this same EXACT show displayed before us, before we start to get the picture? How many times must we be fooled? How many times will we expect different results from the same actions?



I, for one, am tired of being crazy. What's the worst that I can impose on anyone in government? That I won't VOTE for them, lol? Big deal, they'll likely have a cushy job as a lobbyist, or investment, or some other branch of government, lol. And another bold faced liar will be right behind them, ready to take their place. Because that's all the pull I have. I can't go down and arrest anyone from the IRS. None of them are voted into their positions. At the end of the day, Lerner is going to laugh her ass off all the way into retirement.


We'll just have to wait and see who's wrong, wont we?
 
Your information is outdated. As it turned out, the IRS targeted a number of new not-for-profit orgs' exemption status validity. It's a no-brainer that the IRS investigated (and SHOULD have investigated) organizations FORMED FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENDING INCOME TAXES. Groups called "Taxed Enough Already" (the "TEA" party) and others like it sprang up after Obama's election. There were many of them that were created the same year.

Life Lession #102: If you don't want to be investigated by the IRS for legitimacy of your non-profit organization, don't name it "TAXES ARE WRONG AND SHOULD BE ABOLISHED." Especially if 300 others are formed in the same year for the same purpose, basically.

It's not like they were formed for the purpose of helping with disasters, like the Red Cross.

Democratic organizations were also investigated.


Actually, just a few Liberal organizations were " targeted " for additional investigation, and after an average of few questions each, were quickly given tax exemption aproaval.


So stop with the BS.

Plus, why didn't Lener ( Lying Hack skank ) include that in her 2012 admittance ?

You know, when she basically admitted that the IRS had targeted Conservative organizations based on their ideology ?
 
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