Why Even A Small Thanksgiving Is Dangerous

[Phys251]

Why Even A Small Thanksgiving Is Dangerous

We all thought we knew what kinds of places to avoid: the ballparks, the Sunday services, the packed train cars. If we didn’t want to catch COVID-19, we should …

fivethirtyeight.com

It gets worse.

I chose not to do a family get-together for Thanksgiving 2020 because I want to have one in 2021. Be responsible and do the same.

 

[AmNat]

Why Even A Small Thanksgiving Is Dangerous

We all thought we knew what kinds of places to avoid: the ballparks, the Sunday services, the packed train cars. If we didn’t want to catch COVID-19, we should …

fivethirtyeight.com

It gets worse.

I chose not to do a family get-together for Thanksgiving 2020 because I want to have one in 2021. Be responsible and do the same.

If you are worried about getting COVID then I'd recommend you isolate yourself. Those of us who are well-adjusted adults will continue going about our lives.

 

[Rudy]

My family usually all congregates at our summer home for Thanksgiving. We cancelled that because the number would be 15 people and my dad is old.

So we are just having a small dinner here at my home. But my 90 year old father in law insists on coming because he doesn't want to be alone.

Not a good move on his part but what are we going to say? No?

 

[maxparrish]

Why Even A Small Thanksgiving Is Dangerous

We all thought we knew what kinds of places to avoid: the ballparks, the Sunday services, the packed train cars. If we didn’t want to catch COVID-19, we should …

fivethirtyeight.com

It gets worse.

I chose not to do a family get-together for Thanksgiving 2020 because I want to have one in 2021. Be responsible and do the same.

Nonsense. The analysis:

a) 8-9% of the infected are responsible for 80-90 percent of the infections - AKA they are called superspreaders. Moreover, those infected only transmit the infection 2 days before, and 1 day after the onset of symptoms. Hence, you can erase 80--90 percent of those red-orange dots as significant.

b) those without symptoms have a significantly lower chance of spreading infection.

c) the chances of someone below the age of 55 dyeing from COVID from a single day of exposure is negligible - e.g. at least 92% of all covid fatalities are over the age of 55. In fact, for that age group it is more likely you will die in a traffic accident on that day than die from COVID.

In short this is scare mongering. If you are a senior citizen with one or more co-morbidities of course you should be cautious. For the rest enjoy your thanksgiving with friends and if you are really that worried, get tested the next day.

 

[Mongidig]

My family usually all congregates at our summer home for Thanksgiving. We cancelled that because the number would be 15 people and my dad is old.

So we are just having a small dinner here at my home. But my 90 year old father in law insists on coming because he doesn't want to be alone.

Not a good move on his part but what are we going to say? No?

I don't think you should be having a small get together. Why not wait a few months and have it then when everyone is vaccinated? If there was no get together your 90 year old father in law wouldn't have the choice. I can't believe people are willing to risk the death of loved ones because you can't skip a holiday meal one time.

People get lulled into thinking just a small get together is safe. I wouldn't let anybody into my house that wasn't part of my household nor would I go to somebody's house.

 

[Rudy]

I don't think you should be having a small get together. Why not wait a few months and have it then when everyone is vaccinated? If there was no get together your 90 year old father in law wouldn't have the choice. I can't believe people are willing to risk the death of loved ones because you can't skip a holiday meal one time.

People get lulled into thinking just a small get together is safe. I wouldn't let anybody into my house that wasn't part of my household nor would I go to somebody's house.

Well there will be three of us that live together and then one guest. You can come over as well if you would like. As long as you do the dishes.

 

[Phys251]

If you are worried about getting COVID then I'd recommend you isolate yourself.

And there it is. The pure narcissism of someone who obviously believes that (1) he knows more than all the scientific experts combined and (2) human lives do not matter.

That right there is why the government must exist and why, in times of insanity such as that, it must take decisive action to save us from your kind.

Those of us who are well-adjusted adults

YOUR ilk is the ilk who has misbehaved to the point that a quarter of a million Americans are dead.

YOUR ilk is the ilk who reminds us again and again with their actions that y'all do not believe that all lives matter.

Your ilk is no position to falsely claim to be "well-adjusted adults." Only the real adults can make that kind of decision, the adults that voted out "President" Coronavirus.

will continue going about our lives.

Which y'all clearly lack the basic judgment to do well. Seems that y'all are in need of adults to show you the way.

 

[Threegoofs]

Nonsense. The analysis:

a) 8-9% of the infected are responsible for 80-90 percent of the infections - AKA they are called superspreaders. Moreover, those infected only transmit the infection 2 days before, and 1 day after the onset of symptoms. Hence, you can erase 80--90 percent of those red-orange dots as significant.

b) those without symptoms have a significantly lower chance of spreading infection.

c) the chances of someone below the age of 55 dyeing from COVID from a single day of exposure is negligible - e.g. at least 92% of all covid fatalities are over the age of 55. In fact, for that age group it is more likely you will die in a traffic accident on that day than die from COVID.

In short this is scare mongering. If you are a senior citizen with one or more co-morbidities of course you should be cautious. For the rest enjoy your thanksgiving with friends and if you are really that worried, get tested the next day.

Your entire post is really pretty stupid- and not just casually stupid, but flat out idiotic.

Thanksgiving this year is certain to lead to hundreds of thousands of COVID cases, although a million plus isn’t unreasonably high.
Even given a fatality rate of 0.25%, that’s 250 deaths for every 100k positives, which equates to hundreds of not thousands of deaths overall. And the morbidity of hospitalizations and serious illness will go into the tens of thousands, straining an already stretched health care system.

Of course, that doesn’t even factor in continuing the winter wave for a bunch longer, probably leading to more sickness and deaths.


The issue here is...do you want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution?

 

[calamity]

Why Even A Small Thanksgiving Is Dangerous

We all thought we knew what kinds of places to avoid: the ballparks, the Sunday services, the packed train cars. If we didn’t want to catch COVID-19, we should …

fivethirtyeight.com

It gets worse.

I chose not to do a family get-together for Thanksgiving 2020 because I want to have one in 2021. Be responsible and do the same.

We're not doing a family event either this year. No reason to risk it. It's bad enough that I have to deal with maskless assholes at work every day.

 

[Threegoofs]

We're not doing a family event either this year. No reason to risk it. It's bad enough that I have to deal with maskless assholes at work every day.

I actually am. But it’s with a bunch of kids in their 20s, and 100% outdoors.

im a non-combatant these days,since I survived COVID back in October. Can’t give it, can’t get it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Karen's sister is our only guest.
She's been staying at home since May because her job is now from home.
We live in Whittier and she lives in Santa Clarita.

So, it's just Karen, our son Daryl, myself and sis.

 

[AmNat]

And there it is. The pure narcissism of someone who obviously believes that (1) he knows more than all the scientific experts combined and (2) human lives do not matter.

That right there is why the government must exist and why, in times of insanity such as that, it must take decisive action to save us from your kind.

Who is right about the exact death rate is actually besides the point. If you're scared of the virus, feel free to isolate yourself. I'm sure your family will understand. Those of us who aren't so worry-prone will accept the small risk of infection inherent in any human interaction.

 

[RAMOSS]

I actually am. But it’s with a bunch of kids in their 20s, and 100% outdoors.

im a non-combatant these days,since I survived COVID back in October. Can’t give it, can’t get it.

It all depends on how much of an antibody kick was given.

 

[Threegoofs]

It all depends on how much of an antibody kick was given.

I see no reason that I wouldn’t have full immunity for at least three months, probably longer, and possibly lifelong.

 

[Bleeding Head Ken]

My family usually all congregates at our summer home for Thanksgiving. We cancelled that because the number would be 15 people and my dad is old.

So we are just having a small dinner here at my home. But my 90 year old father in law insists on coming because he doesn't want to be alone.

Not a good move on his part but what are we going to say? No?

It should be the choice of the elderly.

 

[RAMOSS]

I see no reason that I wouldn’t have full immunity for at least three months, probably longer, and possibly lifelong.

They found that in some people (mainly those who had mild symptoms)< the antibodies fade quickly.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Nonsense. The analysis:

a) 8-9% of the infected are responsible for 80-90 percent of the infections - AKA they are called superspreaders. Moreover, those infected only transmit the infection 2 days before, and 1 day after the onset of symptoms. Hence, you can erase 80--90 percent of those red-orange dots as significant.

b) those without symptoms have a significantly lower chance of spreading infection.

c) the chances of someone below the age of 55 dyeing from COVID from a single day of exposure is negligible - e.g. at least 92% of all covid fatalities are over the age of 55. In fact, for that age group it is more likely you will die in a traffic accident on that day than die from COVID.

In short this is scare mongering. If you are a senior citizen with one or more co-morbidities of course you should be cautious. For the rest enjoy your thanksgiving with friends and if you are really that worried, get tested the next day.

Cases, cases, cases. The morbidity rate in the U.S. still remains lower compared to most European countries. The democrats are just fear peddling and ignoring the vaccine being ready and really ignoring that just before the election Trump told us the vaccine would be here soon. Well it's here and some among the democrats want to wait to start dispensing until Joe Biden is sworn in. What the heck are we waiting for. The democrats have been telling us how bad things are and how many are at risk but let's wait a couple of months before giving the cure.

 

[maxparrish]

Your entire post is really pretty stupid- and not just casually stupid, but flat out idiotic.

Thanksgiving this year is certain to lead to hundreds of thousands of COVID cases, although a million plus isn’t unreasonably high.
Even given a fatality rate of 0.25%, that’s 250 deaths for every 100k positives, which equates to hundreds of not thousands of deaths overall. And the morbidity of hospitalizations and serious illness will go into the tens of thousands, straining an already stretched health care system.

Of course, that doesn’t even factor in continuing the winter wave for a bunch longer, probably leading to more sickness and deaths.


The issue here is...do you want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution?

In other words, you can't demonstrate my facts and reasoning are in error so you are reduced to mouthing invective agreeable to the like-minded..i.e., propoganda. The national death rate of the infected is correct, almost all being over the age of 55. In other words, of the 250 deaths only about 20 are below 55.

And it remains a fact that those under 55 are significantly more likely to die in a car accident than COVID.

People have been mingling your MONTHS in supermarkets and other businesses, and in many states in restaurants and bars - a single thanksgiving dinner with some friends is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of social contact for most Americans in this period.

So please...cease the lurid hysteria. Americans are fed up with the henny penny's, especially as most of us has never seen a clinical flu like case of COVID let alone know anyone who has died.

 

[Antiwar]

In other words, you can't demonstrate my facts and reasoning are in error so you are reduced to mouthing invective agreeable to the like-minded..i.e., propoganda. The national death rate of the infected is correct, almost all being over the age of 55. In other words, of the 250 deaths only about 20 are below 55.

And it remains a fact that those under 55 are significantly more likely to die in a car accident than COVID.

People have been mingling your MONTHS in supermarkets and other businesses, and in many states in restaurants and bars - a single thanksgiving dinner with some friends is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of social contact for most Americans in this period.

So please...cease the lurid hysteria. Americans are fed up with the henny penny's, especially as most of us has never seen a clinical flu like case of COVID let alone know anyone who has died.

Instead of listening to experts, you're going by what you haven't seen.

You don't seem to understand that younger people having a better chance of surviving Covid-19 is not one of the major concerns. Comparing Covid-19 risk to vehicular fatality risk is faulty and only relevant if that age group's global risks were a major concern. In other words, dying from a car accident has nothing to do with Covid-19. Although, in many places the fatality rate for vehicular accidents will likely increase due to overburdened hospitals.

The bottom line is that behaviors that go against the guidelines increase suffering and deaths for others and those you congregate with. We're already doing that by keeping things open, but those are very difficult decisions. Foregoing the holidays, except with your household members, is an easy but tough decision.

Frankly, we'(the Americans not in your "Americans" statement) are tired of the cavalier attitudes, to put it nicely. Depraved indifference doesn't seem too harsh.

 

[Threegoofs]

In other words, you can't demonstrate my facts and reasoning are in error so you are reduced to mouthing invective agreeable to the like-minded..i.e., propoganda. The national death rate of the infected is correct, almost all being over the age of 55. In other words, of the 250 deaths only about 20 are below 55.

And it remains a fact that those under 55 are significantly more likely to die in a car accident than COVID.

People have been mingling your MONTHS in supermarkets and other businesses, and in many states in restaurants and bars - a single thanksgiving dinner with some friends is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of social contact for most Americans in this period.

So please...cease the lurid hysteria. Americans are fed up with the henny penny's, especially as most of us has never seen a clinical flu like case of COVID let alone know anyone who has died.

Hundreds of deaths, possibly thousands.

guess you missed that part. Not sure why it matters what age they are.

 

[Eriech]

Over 2 million people on planes Friday. Airports packed. Good to see the governors being ignored finally.

Make America free again

 

[Guyzilla]

If you are worried about getting COVID then I'd recommend you isolate yourself. Those of us who are well-adjusted adults will continue going about our lives.

What EXACTLY are you implying, then the person worried, is NOT the one well adjusted? I TRULY think we need to start showing folks take their last breath.

You WELL ADJUSTED folks are deniers.

 

[year2late]

If you are worried about getting COVID then I'd recommend you isolate yourself. Those of us who are well-adjusted adults will continue going about our lives.

The problem is not an individual who isolates to protect themselves.
I am not sure what you do not get. Let me know if you need more clarification.

The issue is when those who do not take precautions are free range and unknowingly infect others. Then those that do become severely symptomatic can overwhelm hospitals quite efficiently. If you have been listening, this leads to a domino effect the sadly had repercussions on non covid patients needing to use that hospital services....ER, surgery, cancer care, infusions, transfusions, imaging...etc. When they talk about cancelling "elective surgery" - keep in mind, most surgery is "elective" . Elective simply means a planned surgery. People seem to think "elective" means things like cosmetic plastic surgery. No. It just means a planned surgery - if the surgery can be put off without causing imminent harm to the patient. Elective surgery can be a required surgery (open heart surgery, etc). So when you hear that elective surgery is cancelled - that is a significant thing. Then when they are allowed, there is a backlog and catching up can be problematic as well.

And significant spread leads to significant increase in exposure to healthcare workers, police, firefighters, and any essential personnel that have needed community interaction. And if you are not aware that people in these groups have become quite ill and even died.....educate yourself. And as those people become ill or die......that further affects the the available workforce - that leads to staffing shortages and even having people with limited experience doing those jobs. Hell, in several states that are overwhelmed with severe shortages, they are allowing asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic staff to continue working.

 

[Antiwar]

I am currently listening to a nurse in my area. I'll summarize some of the many important points:
* Most people with Covid-19 that go into the ICU die
* They're still short on PPE
* They're working themselves to death, sometimes literally
* I've seen people as young as 21 with no comorbidities die; we don't know why
* Nurses are suffering from PTSD
* Ignoring the guidelines will continue to mean that more people will die unnecessarily


This scenario is similar to a war that we are losing. People that are ignoring the guidelines are causing more casualties. They and their loved ones aren't in the war, yet. They're not exercising their freedom, they're recklessly and callously adding to our suffering.

 

[Antiwar]

Over 2 million people on planes Friday. Airports packed. Good to see the governors being ignored finally.

Make America free again

They're ignoring their societal responsibilities.

This is not a political issue. Surely people with all flavors of political thoughts are actively ignoring the guidelines on travel and holiday gatherings. It is reckless endangerment.