Navy Pride said:Why doesn't God Protect us from disasters and terrorist attacks?
Navy Pride said:Again spanking your children in the fifties had very little to do with racism........It is just and attempt to get off the subject.........Spanking both by parents in the home and teachers in the school was a great deterrent to misbehavior of children.........It was a way to enforce discipline...............
That is an illogical statement. Let's consider the images of the Tsunami. A single man survived at an island and still praid to what he calls "God". Even after everything was gone, he still prays, and what does he get?
mixedmedia said:And one more thing. How do we all feel when we see a child struck by his/her parent in public? There is an instant of revulsion, right?
mixedmedia said:You can almost hate that parent for a second, right? You give them dirty looks, right? Or, maybe it's just me that does that.
mixedmedia said:Well, it looks that way at home, too. A child being hit by an adult as punishment is just wrong. We know it in our gut.
MrFungus420 said:And, if you're curious, I was spanked as a child (probably not as often as I deserved). I am not a violent person. As a matter of fact, I take pride in never having been in a fight. To be clear, I don't count sparring in a dojo, or bouncing someone out of a bar as fighting. Even as a bouncer, I never resorted to fighting, I have sufficient training that I can control someone without striking a blow. Jui-jitsu is a wonderful thing!
SKILMATIC said:I think you just answered that question. He got his life dude. You see possessions come and go true with life as well. But as long as you are still alive you have the ability and potential of getting all those possessions back. And God will provide a way.
SKILMATIC said:Illogical? No. Its called faith. Some have it some dont. Thats a choice you make. Theres no ideology in it its very simple and childish. You either beleive or you dont.
Binary_Digit said:Most violent behavior in kids is a result of exposure to violence.
http://www.aacap.org/publications/factsFam/behavior.htm
Yay for spanking! Maybe that's why public executions and blatent racism is such a big part of our history. Kids didn't bring uzzis to school, but they got their fix for violence elsewhere. :shock:
On topic - I think God has a "hands off" approach on the universe. No miracles, no disaster prevention. He made it, and now he's just watching waiting for us to make the best of it. And we will, but it's taking longer than it should.
Parmenion said:Kids couldnt bring Uzis to school if they couldnt get their hands on themSecond amendment needs amending
DonRicardo - good post.
Busta said:Posted by DonRicardo;
Another reason is that faith is weakness. It is for those who cannot accept death. We all fear death, because of our animal instinct, but I believe there's nothing bad about it. It's a form of unconsciousness. Why not simply accept the "suggesting" truth?
My dear DonRicardo, faith is for the weak because faith makes the weak strong.
It is because of my faith that I accept my inevitable death. It is because of my faith that I know how to enjoy life and look forward to my death. It is because of my faith that I have over-ridden my bestial fear of death with the spiritual intelligence of God.
If faith is only for thouse who otherwise can not accept or who fear death, then given the fact that faith fills these spiritual holes, faith is a strength.
You are effectively saying that taking medicine is wrong because medicine is only for the sick & weak.
Busta said:I say that you (along with everyone ells on this Earth) are also sick & weak, and that you refuse to take this medicine because to do so would be admitting that you are sick & weak; and being sick & weak is something that you just can not face.
Busta said:Face your fear. Admit your sickness and your weakness. Take the medicine that God offers you, and become strong.
Busta said:It is because of my faith that I accept my inevitable death.
Busta said:Name for me one student who legally possessed the gun that they brought to school.
Busta said:Ah, you have already made up your mind. Well, there isn't much reason for us to debate then.
TheTruth said:you only debate so you can convert?
Busta said:Ah, you have already made up your mind. Well, there isn't much reason for us to debate then.
Busta said:You did say 2 things that I liked, however.
- A man breaks down his muscle cells. His body reacts and will create more cells. He becomes stronger.
This is a good analogy as to why we are on this Earth. We are braking down our "spiritual muscles" and creating more so that we become stronger. Just as a physical workout hurts (and we might also question our Earthly father as to why he might want us to do something so painfull), so does our spiritual workout on Earth hurt.
"Well, in fact it's the same with mental strength. How can someone become stronger, if he weakens himself by not seeing true facts?"
Indeed.
I'm sorry that you think that you have all of this figured out. Certainly your missconceptions and presumed assumptions about me prove that this is not true, but hay, to each his own.
DonRicardo said:Where did you get that? Probably an observation beyond perception, I assume?
I just realise what kind of hilaric answer you give me here. You were the first one to compare "medecine" with mental strength and you comparance was even fully wrong.
Obviously, you have a very naieve view of mental strength.
You claim that by "softening" the situation of life, you will become stronger. That is ridiculous. Let's make a comparance with the muscle cells example:
There are two persons, one who lives in a dream world, the believer, and the atheistic, logic person. He, the last one, is able to solve problems quickly by critical thinking and neglecting his immediate desires (such as not being able to confront death). The believer, instead, dreams himself away and tries to neglect true facts, he abandons true knowledge and denies observations.
Tell me what person will be the one who is most competent? Take away the first person's religion and he will fall. While the other, the logic person, will try to find a quick solution whenever he is in trouble.
If he is in big trouble, danger, hazardous conditions, whatever, ... the first will pray to God. The believer got used to have support by his fantasies. He thinks God supports him and when he gets in trouble so deeply, he suddenly starts to question his belief. That is when he will fall.
While the second person, will quickly consider all options and evaluate the best. His chances are higher for survival. He is much stronger, can live without having need to something as a superiour, garding force. He can stand by himself.
Once more: faith is weakness, because a person seeks support and is too lame to make his own situation of life better. He fears death and makes up a story to comfor himself. While an atheist acts to bring hope, he sees the world as it is (maturity) and uses consequent, coherent thinking to handle problems. He is far much more competent and independent.
If you get children and you educate them with religion, you make them weak. It's like a drug: take it away and they fall.
A toddler needs to get 'dis-used' from his baby's dummy.
Also, your misconception of atheism was ridiculous. You point out a detail of all of what I've said. Proving that such "supernatural being" as a deity is immoral (which I haven't even made clear to you yet) is still nothing compared to what true philosophy suggests: the inexistance of a deity. And that is the major point of the atheistic view.
Busta said:See what I mien, TheTruth? There is no point in trying to debate with a septic. It will always turn into arguing, personal attacks, insults, etc....
Parmenion said:Where did I say they did?
DonRicardo said:Did I directly insult you? I did not mention a single name that refers to you. An example of name calling would be "bastard" or "moron". Excuse you for the big words here, but these are merely examples.
I compared religion with a baby's dummy. I could as well have compared it with steroids.
If a person takes steroids, he increases male hormons. His body reacts and build less hormons. This might result in female breasts, smaller genetalics, etc ...
You are making a serious mistake here. Show me where I made a personal attack. You were previously assuming statements, which I had never made. This is a spam post, which is far off-topic. We're not discussing your personal life here, but religion in the first place.
Busta said:Personal insults were not the only thing in that sentence.
Busta said:The "etc..." includes unfounded assumption ("Where did you get that? Probably an observation beyond perception, I assume?"), literal interpretation of a symbolic generalization ("I always tought that they break down one's natural resistance. Let's have a look at evolution....."), irrelevant and in-compadable cross requirements between science and faith
("The main reason why I am an atheist is because of lack of evidence and illogical assumptions of religion"), more unfounded assumptions ("You run away from it, not wanting to admit that death is the end.").......etc.....
Busta said:Septics already have all of their own answers, so there is no point in debating with them.
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