Why does Trump insist on using a doctored photo of Garcia's hand tattoos?

[ElChupacabra]

He is not from Maryland.

He's been living there for 14 years.

He is from El Salvador and now he is back home.

Only because the US erroneously deported him. That's not my opinion, it's what the administration's openly admitted.

 

[Hello My Son]

It is already been shown to be a doctored photo, and yet not only did Trump use it last night, he's doing it again today via the official White House Xitter account.



Now, I understand MAGA is lost and they will only believe Trump's lies, but who else does he think he is fooling with this bullshit?

This is actual hand tattoo:

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There is no "MS 13" on his hand, it's all bad photoshopping by Trump and co.

It seems pretty obvious that the type-font letters and numbers are meant to be labels. Even Newsweek says as much:

In the image, the left hand has knuckle tattoos of a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, a cross, and a skull, which the Trump administration says are symbols for "M", "S", "1", and "3," respectively. Newsweek was unable to verify these claims.

Whether or not this is truly a symbolism for M-S-1-3 remains to be proven, but it's rather silly that anyone is disingenuously pretending like they believe the alphanumeric labels to be an effort to pass off a bad photoshop job.

 

[JMB1911A1]

These are the facts.

Garcia was legally in the US.
Garcia has never been charged with a crime.
Garcia's wife is advocating for his release.

He was never in the US legally. He is an illegal alien who was ordered to be deported but the deportation was withheld due to supposed threats by Barrio 18.

Barrio 18 is a rival of MS-13 so it would make sense that he felt threatened.

Barrio 18 is no longer a threat in El Salvador thanks to President Bukele so it is safe from Garcia to be there. And he is there now.

 

[Callen]

He is not from Maryland. He is from El Salvador and now he is back home.

.....and incarcerated without due process. The Supreme Court says that's unconstitutional....but apparently you know better.

 

[JMB1911A1]

He's been living there for 14 years.

Illegally.

Only because the US erroneously deported him. That's not my opinion, it's what the administration's openly admitted.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I think in the matter of criminal gangs, the point of esoteric symbolism is to avoid "proof".

I suppose some do, but many don't.

They're really not meant to be interpreted definitively by those on the outside, though an implication can be intended. A 1% MC member might have a "13" tattoo. That's generally thought to indicate M for Marijuana. I suppose it could be interpreted to be poking the bad luck bear, or just a random number.

That's the thing, there would have to be better evidence to back that up.

I'm glad we left behind the idiocy of the picture being photoshopped though. There is the possibility that the meaning being claimed for the imagery is simply wrong.

Yep. Without an accurate legend for that symbology, it's not going to mean much.

 

[JMB1911A1]

It seems pretty obvious that the type-font letters and numbers are meant to be labels. Even Newsweek says as much:

In the image, the left hand has knuckle tattoos of a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, a cross, and a skull, which the Trump administration says are symbols for "M", "S", "1", and "3," respectively. Newsweek was unable to verify these claims.

Whether or not this is truly a symbolism for M-S-1-3 remains to be proven, but it's rather silly that anyone is disingenuously pretending like they believe the alphanumeric labels are an effort to pass off a bad photoshop job.

Liberals are the definition of “rather silly”.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Illegally.

Incorrect. When he was issued a withholding removal status he was not here illegally. Prior to that, yes.

 

[RF667799]

His immigration status and his criminal record are irrelevant to his case? Umm sure. Have a good one.

And his wife's desires? Those are relevant?

Regardless, at least one other poster here seems to agree that his deportation was premature, no matter his immigration status and criminal record.

 

[RF667799]

It seems pretty obvious that the type-font letters and numbers are meant to be labels. Even Newsweek says as much:

In the image, the left hand has knuckle tattoos of a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, a cross, and a skull, which the Trump administration says are symbols for "M", "S", "1", and "3," respectively. Newsweek was unable to verify these claims.

Whether or not this is truly a symbolism for M-S-1-3 remains to be proven, but it's rather silly that anyone is disingenuously pretending like they believe the alphanumeric labels are an effort to pass off a bad photoshop job.

Bingo. My initial point.

 

[gbg3]

According to who?

Fox News carried the story of the tattoos on the hand yesterday and they were very clear in pointing out the "MS-13" was a label and not part of the tattoo.

The left is grasping at some odd straws with this one. And they just keep doubling down at grasping at those straws with this "Maryland dad".

 

[RF667799]

???

What do those tattoos symbolize?

Weed? Oh no, only gang members smoke weed!

smiley face? GASP!

A cross? Yes, the cross is symbolism for gangs!

A skull? Certainly, gang members can have skull tattoos, but skulls are pretty common for people getting tattoos, not just gang members.

I'm uncertain if you are abandoning your previous claim. That is the condition you must meet.

 

[j brown's body]

Fox News carried the story of the tattoos on the hand yesterday and they were very clear in pointing out the "MS-13" was a label and not part of the tattoo.

The left is grasping at some odd straws with this one. And they just keep doubling down at grasping at those straws with this "Maryland dad".

But its all hearsay.

 

[Hello My Son]

Bingo. My initial point.

It's really bizarre when people rely on the position of, "I'm going to pretend to be so unintelligent that I don't understand the most basic of shit," as if that's somehow going to make them more persuasive and strengthen their argument.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Fox News carried the story of the tattoos on the hand yesterday and they were very clear in pointing out the "MS-13" was a label and not part of the tattoo.

Yes, I've read the clarifications.

The left is grasping at some odd straws with this one.

Not really, because THE LEFT™ is focused on the due process issue this case presents, while the MAGAverse is flopping like a fish on a pier trying to change the topic and make it about Garcia's character. It's why you have these efforts to vilify his character to avoid discussing what's really going on. It's comical to see so many gullible parrots repeat these talking points though.

And they just keep doubling down at grasping at those straws with this "Maryland dad".

Again, that's what the administration is doing to change the topic. Everyone knows he's from El Salvador, but has been living in Maryland for the past 14 years. This seems like a really silly point for the MAGAverse to focus on, but with such weak arguments being made, it's understandable why this is a chosen point to whinge about.

 

[StillBallin75]

We are reaching absurd levels of fascist clownishness from this ****ing White House.

 

[gbg3]

It's really bizarre when people rely on the position of, "I'm going to pretend to be so unintelligent that I don't understand the most basic of shit," as if that's somehow going to make them more persuasive and strengthen their argument.

No kidding!

 

[ElChupacabra]

It's really bizarre when people rely on the position of, "I'm going to pretend to be so unintelligent that I don't understand the most basic of shit," as if that's somehow going to make them more persuasive and strengthen their argument.

Considering the way Donnie Boy presented this, it's not a far reach considering other inanities he's floated in the past. Nowhere in his statement did he say the letters were a label, but instead specifically said he had MS 13 on his knuckles, which is where the letters MS-13 were placed.

 

[RF667799]

Why not follow the law and prove it in court? That’s the American way.

Okay, but I'm not sure the standards for administrative actions are the same as the standards for conviction in a criminal court.

 

[Callen]

Fox News carried the story of the tattoos on the hand yesterday and they were very clear in pointing out the "MS-13" was a label and not part of the tattoo.

The left is grasping at some odd straws with this one. And they just keep doubling down at grasping at those straws with this "Maryland dad".

Do you believe that incarceration someone for life without due process is acceptable? The Supreme Court disagrees. In fact they ruled that a person cannot even be deported without due process.

 

[j brown's body]

Considering the way Donnie Boy presented this, it's not a far reach considering other inanities he's floated in the past. Nowhere in his statement did he say the letters were a label, but instead specifically said he had MS 13 on his knuckles, which is where the letters MS-13 were placed.

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Bondi released documents earlier this week alleging Garcia was an active MS-13 member, but they don’t mention Garcia brandishing any MS-13-affiliated tattoos.

 

[Hello My Son]

Considering the way Donnie Boy presented this, it's not a far reach considering other inanities he's floated in the past. Nowhere in his statement did he say the letters were a label, but instead specifically said he had MS 13 on his knuckles, which is where the letters MS-13 were placed.

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They're obviously descriptive labels to anyone who possesses actual brain matter.

 

[Callen]

Okay, but I'm not sure the standards for administrative actions are the same as the standards for conviction in a criminal court.

The Supreme Court has ruled you cannot be deported without due process much less incarcerated.

 

[StillBallin75]

Fox News carried the story of the tattoos on the hand yesterday and they were very clear in pointing out the "MS-13" was a label and not part of the tattoo.

It's ****ing stupid either way. Most MS13 tattoos just say ****ing MS13 or Mara Salvatrucha. The right that is grasping at straws trying to say this man is an MS13 member without ever being able to prove it in court. It's absolutely ****ing absurd to think you could look at that man's tattoos and prove in a court of law (or even just to an ignorant person) that that shit mean's MS-13.

This is how ****ing stupid y'all sound.

The left is grasping at some odd straws with this one. And they just keep doubling down at grasping at those straws with this "Maryland dad".

Once again, massive projection. The legal question here is cut and dried. Kilmar was a resident of Maryland, he was never convicted of a crime, and was not afforded due process during his deportation. No hearing, no trial, nothing. Therefore, the Supreme Court, and multiple lower courts, have now concluded that he was deported illegally and have ordered that the administration un**** itself and bring him back, and here you are defending the White House's ****ing PhotoShop games.

Do you have ANY sense of ****ing shame for how stupid, evil, clownish, and idiotic this all ****ing is?

 

[StillBallin75]

I love how the right's defense on this one is "He's not actually saying the tattoos are MS-13, they're just added labels" AS IF THAT'S NOT ****ING EASILY AS STUPID.

If you brough this joke of a photoshopped image to court to prove he was MS-13 you would get ****ing laughed out of court. That's why this idiotic Administration appears to be waging this moronic character assassination compaign on social media as opposed to the courtroom - which they have already LOST.

As Trump and his lawyers routinely are. But we all know since the SCOTUS ruled the guy can sic DEVGRU on a political opponent and not suffer any consequences for it, he thinks he is immune to the law.

Right-wingers seriously pivoted so goddamn quickly from "haha silly libs you trust the government? LAW AND ORDER" to "I believe the humpty dumpty looking man who tells me he has the same BMI is DK Metcalf when he shows me a photoshopped image that that somehow proves this man is MS-13" It's ****ing laughable.