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Why does the right want to deny basic human rights to US Citizens?

code1211 said:
You asked about the government of the village. I don't know even which country she was in and that is not the point of the story. The obvious point is the culture differences between USA convenience and luxury and third world poverty.

You made a claim that Food Deserts are the fault of Republican office holders in our government and I SHOWED you that you are absolutely wrong in the case of Indianapolis.

Was there another question that you were thinking about but did not state that you want to discuss?
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It may not have been the point of your story, but it definitely bears discussing in the context of this thread. So let's set aside my earlier speculation and go back to the questions themselves:

WHY is there no plumbing going to the village?
Similarly, WHY are there "Food Deserts" in a country as rich as the US?*
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These questions were intended to be in response to your comment:

Food Deserts are a reality and that's a shame. That's also a reality. That said, though, you go to where the "water" is if you want to get the water.
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Although you're not saying this explicitly, you're implying that these realities are not only acceptable, but unchangeable. And that was my point: why do you believe those things about these realities?
 
snakestretcher said:
Does it say anything about self-reliance in the Constitution or Bill of Rights? I hope you never fall on hard times, because your refusal to accept state aid wouldn't help you. You would refuse, wouldn't you? Perhaps you could go lecture the victims of Katrina about self-reliance. I'm sure you would be warmly received.
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Does it say anything about govt guaranteed food and housing?
 
snakestretcher said:
No, you don't get it. Obviously. Did my use of the plural, "companies", escape your attention?
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You're right. I don't get it.

The original post was

Lower corporate taxes and deregulation have already been done, and jobs are returning.
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The response was

Is that why Ford is laying off thousands of U.S. workers?
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My response was

I'm sorry, did I miss it, When did Ford become the nations largest provider of jobs? Our economy is now gauged by what Ford does?
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What does other companies have to do with the post we are discussing again?
 
snakestretcher said:
Yes they are. But of course from your smug, 'I got mine, screw anyone else', point of view it's no real surprise that a conservative disagrees.
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No, I have a job, and raised 3 children, and I give to charities. You should try it some time. And no, volunteering my money doesn't make you a hero.
 
American said:
Your food and lodging aren't my responsibility.
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You better hope yours never become someone else's responsibility then, because you would have to refuse any help, given your lofty moral principles. But of course, like anyone else who never had a life-changing crisis, you believe they only happen to other people, right?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Everyone has the right to work for and/or otherwise ethically acquire and enjoy an adequate standard of living and should not be denied that right because of who or what they are.

Nobody has the right to demand that others provide that for them.
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Um, the Trump base has been demanding that wall be provided to protect them from the boogieman. Do you have a problem with that?

I think for many the problem they have is that things are being provided for brown and black skinned people, that's at the crux of the problem. Reagan reminded us of it with his Young Bucks and Welfare Queens comments. It's racist and it's called the Southern Strategy and it's worked wonders for the Republican party for over 1/2 a century.
 
JustHanging said:
Um, the Trump base has been demanding that wall be provided to protect them from the boogieman. Do you have a problem with that?

I think for many the problem they have is that things are being provided for brown and black skinned people, that's at the crux of the problem. Reagan reminded us of it with his Young Bucks and Welfare Queens comments. It's racist and it's called the Southern Strategy and it's worked wonders for the Republican party for over 1/2 a century.
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In my opinion you are dutifully reciting the assigned dishonest talking points to divert and distract from the actual problem. So I will wish you a pleasant day and ignore those dishonest talking points if you don't mind.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
First, to be clear, I'm referring to the long-established UN Declaration of Human Rights, which the US (up until now) has been pressing other countries to accept.



Why have conservatives and libertarians been so dead set against this? Allowing Americans to live so far below the poverty level hurts both the economy and national security. To make it happen for the sake of a tax cut is completely and utterly stupid.
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Taxation is theft.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Get back to me when you figure out how to run a country without it.

(Trust me, we'll be thrilled to hear your solution.)
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That has nothing to do with what I said.

Trying to stop the government from stealing more from you by voting is our rights as citizens.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That has nothing to do with what I said.
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It has everything to do with what you said.

Trying to stop the government from stealing more from you by voting is our rights as citizens.
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Yes, you can vote people out if you don't like their tax policies. You can even call them "stealing" if you feel like it.

It just doesn't have anything to do with the OP.
 
MrWonka said:
Is that why every time a state tries to drug test people on welfare they find that 98% of people tested pass with flying colors and it ends up costing more to test them than they end up saving?
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no ...they just beat the test...not hard lots of youtube video tell you how. google it:lol:
 
DifferentDrummr said:
It has everything to do with what you said.
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from my perspective it does not but I'm willing to hear you make the case that it does. Can you?


Yes, you can vote people out if you don't like their tax policies. You can even call them "stealing" if you feel like it.

It just doesn't have anything to do with the OP.
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Post number 442 who was not a response to the OP. It was a response to post number 441. It had to do with post number 441.

Post number 440 was a response to the OP.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
First, to be clear, I'm referring to the long-established UN Declaration of Human Rights, which the US (up until now) has been pressing other countries to accept.



Why have conservatives and libertarians been so dead set against this? Allowing Americans to live so far below the poverty level hurts both the economy and national security. To make it happen for the sake of a tax cut is completely and utterly stupid.
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Those aren't Rights, as they force others to provide for them.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Get back to me when you figure out how to run a country without it.

(Trust me, we'll be thrilled to hear your solution.)
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we don't currently have a country....no border no country....just saying hard to take care of our own when Politicians are taking care of other country's poor problem.

Look at California with Super Majority of Democrats in Sacramento and they can't figure out what to do about poor and homeless. Make a decision even if its wrong try something and move along stupid Dems in Sacramento
 
CLAX1911 said:
from my perspective it does not but I'm willing to hear you make the case that it does. Can you?
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Of course: it's really not that hard.

Theft in general is (of course) a crime, and in no way necessary to people's lives. If the world were to miraculously get rid of all crimes acknowledged as theft, then theoretically there would be no negative consequences.

Now supposing that all taxation is "theft," it follows that eliminating all theft would include eliminating all taxation. Of necessity, that would automatically mean no government, because nobody could do government work without pay. (And of course the list of other consequences goes on and on). So unless you have a plan for making the world work without any governments, your idea of taxation being theft is pretty much done.

Post number 442 who was not a response to the OP. It was a response to post number 441. It had to do with post number 441.
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Okay.

Post number 440 was a response to the OP.
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It was a "reply," but not a response. Nothing in its content can in any way be considered responsive.
 
Renae said:
Those aren't Rights, as they force others to provide for them.
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You don't know the difference between negative and positive rights.

There's already a link in this thread to an article that compares and contrasts both. Find the link and read the article.
 
Trump said:
we don't currently have a country....no border no country....just saying hard to take care of our own when Politicians are taking care of other country's poor problem.

Look at California with Super Majority of Democrats in Sacramento and they can't figure out what to do about poor and homeless. Make a decision even if its wrong try something and move along stupid Dems in Sacramento
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Then you're not its president, Traitor. Get the hell out of DC.
 
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