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Why does the left think that either: A). All cultures are equal, Or. B). Most cultures are better than the (evil)west?

stevecanuck said:
Comparing the actions of ancient Christians to Muslims is legitimate in that they both committed unspeakable atrocities. The likes of Hamas and ISIS still do.

However, the equivalence becomes false and specious if it is used to imply that both religions teach and require as much. The bottom line is that Christians who commit atrocities do so despite the words and deeds ascribed to the mythical Jesus, whereas Muslims are following orders from the Qur'an and the example of Mohamed.
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I am not interested in any Coke versus Pepsi battles over any of the three because I despise all organized religion.
 
By the way, I know a few Muslims who lead rather ordinary lives.
They follow the tenets of their faith regarding virtue, good works and clean morals, and that's about it for the most part.
 
PeteEU said:
The people of Puerto Rico can leave if they want.. in theory. Doubt the GOP would allow it, but in theory they could. They are however treated as second class citizens.. especially by the GOP and MAGA.
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ColdHardTruth said:
This really has nothing to do with the left. That was a bullshit statement made by MAGA terrorists.
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It is a statement from an independent office in UK. Your hatred is blinding you. It is actually very sad and pathetic really.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
It is a statement from an independent office in UK. Your hatred is blinding you. It is actually very sad and pathetic really.
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I admit my hatred of Trump and his traitor GQP goons is on full display. I wish it would go away but isn't going to until there is justice in this country.

Still ... somebody said "the left" ignored it. It had nothing to do with the left.
 
stevecanuck said:
15 yard penalty for moving the goal posts.

His post was in response to your statement that "The police in the UK DO NOT look the other way."

They did, and they admitted it. Sometimes the truth is indeed cold and hard.
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Yeah, it all started because somebody accused "the left" of being responsible for what occurred.
 
stevecanuck said:
Which has nothing to do with the fact that you moved the goal posts regarding that particular point.
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I did not actually.

I got into this because somebody accused "the left" of ignoring abuse. That was untrue.

The police, whether they be from the UK, USA, or Canada, are not "the left" and their actions are not related to a political party.
 
Koala said:
Your simple mistake of qatl and jihad being always interchangeable. I ended that discussion because I pointed out to you that one jihad has several meanings
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Jihad means struggle/strive. we agree on that. It does not have several meanings, but it can be used in different contexts. My claim is that in several cases in which the context is fighting, qatl and jihad are indeed used interchangeably. Here is the clearest example, although there are others:

Surah 9 is the last chronologically (other than a three-verse wrapup) and it contains the following verses in which conjugations of 'jihad' (struggle) are clearly used interchangeably with those of 'qatl' (kill/fight), and all in the context of fighting for Allah and Islam. I have shown in parentheses whether 'qatl' or 'jihad' is the root word:

  • 9:12 - But if, after coming to terms with you, they break their oaths and revile your belief, fight (qatl) the leaders of the disbelief - for they have no oaths - in order that they will desist.
  • 9:13 - Will you not fight (qatl) against those who have broken their oaths and conspired to expel the Messenger?
  • 9:14 - Fight (qatl) them, Allah will punish them with your hands and degrade them. He will grant you victory over them.
  • 9:16 - Did you suppose that you would be left before Allah has known those of you who fought (jihad).
  • 9:19 - Do you consider giving drink to the pilgrims and inhabiting the Sacred Mosque are the same as one who believes in Allah and the Last Day, and struggles (jihad) in the Way of Allah? These are not held equal by Allah. Allah does not guide the harm doers. (In this case 'jihad' is interpreted in most translations as 'struggle' or 'strive', but is used in the context of fighting. Here, Allah is telling the faithful that simply cheering and praying will not please him as much as fighting).
  • 9:20 - Those who believe, have migrated, and struggle (jihad) in the Way of Allah with their wealth and their persons are greater in rank with Allah (continuation of 9:19).
  • 9:24 - Say: 'If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your tribes, the property you have acquired, the merchandise you fear will not be sold, and the homes you love, are dearer to you than Allah, His Messenger and the struggling (jihad) for His Way, then wait until Allah shall bring His command. Allah does not guide the evildoers'.
  • 9:25- Allah has helped you on many a battle field. In the Battle of Hunain, when your numbers were pleasing you they availed you nothing; the earth, for all its vastness, seemed to close in upon you and you turned your backs and fled. (I've included this to prove that warfare is the topic at hand).
  • 9:29 - Fight (qatl) those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated.
  • 9:39 - If you do not go forth, He will punish you with a painful punishment and replace you with another nation. You will in no way harm Him; for Allah has power over all things. (This shows Allah/Mohamed is still cajoling and threatening the faithful to lay down their lives for him.)
  • 9:41 - Whether lightly or heavily, march on and struggle (jihad) for the Way of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. This will be best for you, if you know.
  • 9:44 - Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day will not ask your permission so that they may struggle (jihad) with their wealth and themselves. Allah knows best the righteous.

Notice that 'qatl' is the root word for the first three verses above, but gives way to 'jihad' in the next four, reverts to 'qatl' in the infamous 9:29, and then goes back to 'jihad' by 9:41, proving that the two are used interchangeably.

Gratuitous denial won't cut it here. You can't deny the above with fact and reason because both are clearly aligned against you.
 
Craig234 said:
Can you list several of the "terrorist groups", their recent actions, and their reasons? I'll start - the rogue terrorist state, genocide and attacking several neighbors, and their motive is fanatical violent colonialism. The US is part of it.
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The difference between democrats and Nazis is imperceptible at this point - as you so fully demonstrate.
 
ModerationNow! said:
Do liberals believe that the following views held by many strict Muslims men from certain middle eastern countries are compatible, or superior to western views(or are they simply unaware of these realities)?

1). Hypermasculine, patriarchal worldview.
2). Women are viewed as the property of men.
3). Women MUST cover themselves from head to toe.
4). if women don't cover themselves, and they wear revealing western style clothing, they deserve to be raped.
5). They believe rapists shouldn't be punished because the women brought it upon themselves by wearing immodest clothing.
6). Women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house, drive cars, or work unless a man approves of it.
7). Forcibly arranged marriages for women
8). Marrying cousins is encouraged(Somalia).
9). Pakistani gangs in UK groomed thousands of native girls, some younger than 13, to become addicted to drugs or alcohol, then turned them into sex slaves to be passed around and raped by scores of men.

Unfortunately, the UK police are (leftist) ideologically captured, so they looked the other way, and even blamed the girls! The UK "news" media also helped cover it up. Their reasoning was that they didn't want to upset the un-integrated, tribal Pakistani community, because "diversity (without assimilation) is our strength".
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Yes, there are a lot of dysfunctional practices in Islamic culture.

Unfortunately, the US under Trump and MAGA are becoming more like them every day: a highly religious, intolerant, bigoted, hateful, militaristic, anti-science, anti-democracy, isolationist, socially conservative culture. We have come a long way from the vision of our founding fathers as a democratic, enlightened, tolerant society.
 
Deuce said:
So, to clarify:

Do you think it's stupid to be against war crimes against children because some homophobes also exist in the general vicinity?
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I sure think it's stupid to defend terrorists using children and human shields. But then that's the left for you....
 
ataraxia said:
Yes, there are a lot of dysfunctional practices in Islamic culture.

Unfortunately, the US under Trump and MAGA are becoming more like them every day: a highly religious, intolerant, bigoted, hateful, militaristic, anti-science, anti-democracy, isolationist, socially conservative culture. We have come a long way from the vision of our founding fathers as a democratic, enlightened, tolerant society.
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Radical Islam hates America and hates Jews. democrats also hate America and hate Jews. It is a natural alliance between two groups with common enemies.

If America were defeated, and the Jews eradicated, the two sides would instantly turn on each other. Muslims will have no god but Muhammad and his pet djin Allah - democrats will have no god but the party and the totalitarian state. Conflict is assured at some point.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Radical Islam hates America and hates Jews.
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Uncensored2008 said:
democrats also hate America and hate Jews.
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90% of the Jews in Congress are Democrats.

More lies from you.

Uncensored2008 said:
It is a natural alliance between two groups with common enemies.

If America were defeated, and the Jews eradicated, the two sides would instantly turn on each other. Muslims will have no god but Muhammad and his pet djin Allah - democrats will have no god but the party and the totalitarian state. Conflict is assured at some point.
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Uncensored2008 said:
Radical Islam hates America and hates Jews. democrats also hate America and hate Jews. It is a natural alliance between two groups with common enemies.

If America were defeated, and the Jews eradicated, the two sides would instantly turn on each other. Muslims will have no god but Muhammad and his pet djin Allah - democrats will have no god but the party and the totalitarian state. Conflict is assured at some point.
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Theres just literally nothing left worth defending in America.
 
There are certainly subcultures within America that are more negative and destructive than others.

Trumpism, for example.
 
Michael Cole said:
90% of the Jews in Congress are Democrats.

More lies from you.
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George Soros claimed to have been born to a Jewish mother - yet served Adolf Hitler.

Say, I saw that the Penguin is calling it quits. He's Nadlered himself of live TV for the last time. Who is going to replace Penguin? They won't be Jewish - they won't be American. Maybe Ilhan Omar's Brother/Husband?
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Radical Islam hates America and hates Jews. democrats also hate America and hate Jews. It is a natural alliance between two groups with common enemies.

If America were defeated, and the Jews eradicated, the two sides would instantly turn on each other. Muslims will have no god but Muhammad and his pet djin Allah - democrats will have no god but the party and the totalitarian state. Conflict is assured at some point.
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The difference between America and the rest of the world was that it focused on the METHOD, and the PROCESS: the PROCESS of law. The PROCESS of democracy. The PROCESS of science, etc... That's what gave America its legitimacy in the developed world.

Now it's just one more tribe in engaged in perennial tribal warfare with other tribes. It no longer can appeal to something beyond that. It's just a matter of who is stronger at any given time and can bully the others more. In that way, the culture and mindset of Trump's America is no different than that of the Islamists.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
I strongly urge you to move to Syria or Yemen.
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I would prefer an America that is different from Syria or Yemen. We are becoming more like them every day.

What made America great in the past was that it was about an idea and an ideal which transcended race, or religion- it was never just yet another tribe. Now it's just yet one more tribe among all those others fighting for hegemony.
 
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