I think Europe should take more responsibility and build up the capacity for defending itself. The main problem in the way of doing that are not the Americans, it's ourselves. Also, I'm not sure we'd have what it takes to use force when necessary. Civ is right, just look at Yugoslavia.
At any rate, if Europe takes more responsibility, that doesn't need and shouldn't be directed against America. More European strength doesn't need to mean less ties with America.
This is a weird point of view. The US is an important trading partner of the European Union. And NATO provides a powerful defence system for Europe and the US. No country in its right mind would attack a NATO member.
... a foreign power that views us with contempt and 2nd class.
I have met so many americans on this forum and others that talk about euroweenies and how we should be grateful for your grandparents contribution to european peace. Give me a break, you have nothing but contempt for Europe. Its better that we go it alone.
I agree that North America and Europe will always have close ties for many reason, I just think if we provide for our defense alone, then we will be free from American interference.
What interference? European Union countries enter wars with the US out of choice, if NATO is not involved. I think they shouldnt, but it is still a choice made by the countries involved.
"They need Europe politically, in order to deflect some criticism that there behaving like Mr. jeckel..."As world cop america gets criticized for its unilateralism. So they need the EU in order to bet some world legitimacy. Militarily, they dont need Europe they could go it alone, but the need Europe politically, in order to deflect some criticism that there behaving like Mr. jeckel. The worst part is that the EU gets sucked into these phony wars because their all NATO members and in world politics everything is complicated and hangs with everything together.
I favor abolishing NATO or kicking America out of it and giving it a new name like European Arm Forces 2001.
I think if America was on the winning side, we would all join in, but nobody wants to be part of a losing war. I just dont see how this war can be won, already the president of Afganistan is trying to win support among the Taliban, actually his enemy? Its a different culture that we dont understand, so lets leave. The ceiling wont fall down, if America leaves see Vietnam.
By the way, I read that America found gold in Afghanistan and other precious metals, did GWB have a hidden agenda? Im asking, because where did soilders find the time to mine, instead of fighting Taliban soilders?
you're right, the war's taking longer than expected, we should just let afghanistan slip back into the dark ages, back to public beheadings and the like, why should anyone stick around for the innocent civilians :roll:
:rofl i don't know which suggestion is funnier, that they've been waging a war for 9 years, just for recently discovered minerals, or that digging holes is the only way to find said minerals.
:rofl i don't know which suggestion is funnier, that they've been waging a war for 9 years, just for recently discovered minerals, or that digging holes is the only way to find said minerals.
Actually the report in question is from 2007 as in 3 years ago, and the actual survey takes years to do, especially during a war or war like situation. So he is some what right.
but the suggestion that GWB knew of the minerals before going to war, and then went to war, and now the forces are trying to set up a legitimate government, just to get to minerla deposits, is somewhat ludicrous.
Lately Europe has really gone done a dangerous and destructive path.
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