Why Do Trump Advisers Lie?

[lwf]

As Gerald Ford has said, an impeachable offense is whatever the House says it is.

If the offense was tax fraud, campaign finance violations, or conspiracy against the United States, and the House said that any of these were impeachable offenses, would you agree with that assessment?

 

[lwf]

Mueller wasnt appointed to find tax cheats or guys who didn't correctly file as being reps of a foreign government.

He was appointed to find evidence that the Trump campaign and Russia conspired to fix the 2016 election. To the extent that he has failed to do so, and is revealing indictments indicating that it didn't happen, indicates that the question if 'why do they lie if not because...' to be more of an Alamo kind of desperation.

The discovery of an unrelated crime by a law enforcement officer investigating a different crime does not mean that the unrelated crime should not be prosecuted. Do you agree?

 

[haymarket]

Mueller wasnt appointed to find tax cheats or guys who didn't correctly file as being reps of a foreign government.

He was appointed to find evidence that the Trump campaign and Russia conspired to fix the 2016 election. To the extent that he has failed to do so, and is revealing indictments indicating that it didn't happen, indicates that the question if 'why do they lie if not because...' to be more of an Alamo kind of desperation.

Mueller is doing just what he was ordered to do.

Have patience and have faith. Both will be rewarded in the end.

 

[beancounter]

Mueller wants to know.

Trump advisers lied over and over again, Mueller says. The question is, why?

And, so do i.



All they do is lie. Why?

Because either (A) they are afraid of Trump (B) they are afraid of Putin or (C) Both

 

[SoCal]

Mueller wasnt appointed to find tax cheats or guys who didn't correctly file as being reps of a foreign government.

He was appointed to find evidence that the Trump campaign and Russia conspired to fix the 2016 election...

If a theft is being investigated and in the process they find a murderer, then what?!?

I imagine that Capone was surprised he did jail time for a 'minor' crime he never gave a second thought to. Justice wins in the end...

 

[Mach]

Well, Mueller indictments continue not to paint the picture many seem to think exist. The Stone indictment, for instance, shows that the Trump campaign was in the dark as to what, if anything, Wikileaks had.

That's false too.
It's all in the indictment, why not read it and be honest about it?

1. DNC declared publicly June 14th, that their emails were stolen by Russian actors.
2. During summer 2016, Stone told Trump senior campaign officials about Wikileaks and information it might have had that would be damaging to the Clinton campaign.
3. By August 2016, Stone claimed publicly and privately of being in communication with Wikileaks

The Trump campaign was not in the dark about what wikileaks had, they were aware of it both from publicly available information, as well as direct communication from Roger Stone.

 

[Athanasius68]

The indictments Mueller has already brought against multiple campaign officials demonstrate that your opinion of what he was appointed to do is not grounded in reality.

At this point, I get the desperation. We all know Mueller was appointed to find out whether Trump & Co conspired with Putin to throw the 2016 election. That he is only prosecuting crimes that either resulted during the course of the investigation (process crimes), or crimes that the local federal prosecutor could have handled. His biggest success will be unrealized in practice: those indicted Russians will never see the inside of a USA court.
Meanwhile the continued failure of Mueller to find the 'smoking gun' of collusion rolls on.

 

[Athanasius68]

If the offense was tax fraud, campaign finance violations, or conspiracy against the United States, and the House said that any of these were impeachable offenses, would you agree with that assessment?

It would depend on the nature of the claims.

 

[calamity]

Well, Mueller indictments continue not to paint the picture many seem to think exist. The Stone indictment, for instance, shows that the Trump campaign was in the dark as to what, if anything, Wikileaks had. Kind of tough to say collusion in such an environment.
As to why lie? Beats me.

Did you make that misstatement on purpose or do you actually believe the lie you just wrote?

 

[calamity]

At this point, I get the desperation. We all know Mueller was appointed to find out whether Trump & Co conspired with Putin to throw the 2016 election. That he is only prosecuting crimes that either resulted during the course of the investigation (process crimes), or crimes that the local federal prosecutor could have handled. His biggest success will be unrealized in practice: those indicted Russians will never see the inside of a USA court.
Meanwhile the continued failure of Mueller to find the 'smoking gun' of collusion rolls on.

Yes, that the guy who just wrote a complete and blatant falsehood in the previous post, we agree that you are afflicted with the desperation.

 

[Athanasius68]

That's false too.
It's all in the indictment, why not read it and be honest about it?

1. DNC declared publicly June 14th, that their emails were stolen by Russian actors.
2. During summer 2016, Stone told Trump senior campaign officials about Wikileaks and information it might have had that would be damaging to the Clinton campaign.
3. By August 2016, Stone claimed publicly and privately of being in communication with Wikileaks

The Trump campaign was not in the dark about what wikileaks had, they were aware of it both from publicly available information, as well as direct communication from Roger Stone.

1. The DNC doesn't get to make that claim. It has to be proven in a court of law and that will never happen. And that's because those indicted Russians will never be extradicted to the USA.

2. Aye. STONE, who was not in the campaign, had to tell the campaign. In other words, the campaign didn't know what Wikileaks had.
No collusion.

3. So what?

 

[Athanasius68]

Did you make that misstatement on purpose or do you actually believe the lie you just wrote?

It says it in the indictment: somebody in the campaign reached out to Stone to see if he could find out what Wikileaks had.
Translation: the campaign didn't know what Wikileaks had.
Translation: the campaign never had the files.
Translation: the campaign had no role in the hack.

 

[Athanasius68]

If a theft is being investigated and in the process they find a murderer, then what?!?

I imagine that Capone was surprised he did jail time for a 'minor' crime he never gave a second thought to. Justice wins in the end...

Prosecute the murder. The more serious crime.

But let us not lose track that Mueller is only finding the less serious crime.

 

[SoCal]

Prosecute the murder. The more serious crime.

But let us not lose track that Mueller is only finding the less serious crime.

So what? It works both ways, if they're investigating a murder and find a theft, They'll still prosecute the theft.

They can and should add years to their sentence for EACH and EVERY crime they commit.

So much so the law and order party...

 

[woodsman]

Mueller wants to know.

Trump advisers lied over and over again, Mueller says. The question is, why?

And, so do i.



All they do is lie. Why?

Curious, were in the link is the direct quote from Muller that “says” what the opinion piece is clamming or you’re parroting? It must be a twitter thing…..

 

[calamity]

Curious, were in the link is the direct quote from Muller that “says” what the opinion piece is clamming or you’re parroting? It must be a twitter thing…..

Curious is not the word I would use.

They have documented various falsehoods by Trump advisers that masked efforts by people in his orbit to develop inroads with Russia and leverage that country’s hacking of Democratic emails.

The remaining question — for both Mueller’s team, as it works on a final investigative report, and for the American people — is why.

 

[Athanasius68]

So what? It works both ways, if they're investigating a murder and find a theft, They'll still prosecute the theft.

They can and should add years to their sentence for EACH and EVERY crime they commit.

So much so the law and order party...

Who says not to prosecute the theft?

But let us not forget that Mueller was appointed to find collusion, not tax violations.

 

[bongsaway]

It's all part of the image that the media...and some of our fellow DP members...want to build. I'm just doing my part in exposing that nonsense.

Anyway, no. I'm not worried at all about any of that because it's all nonsense.

Must be image building day for the media. The media forms how we see trump and now it's the Mueller investigation. What's next? Nunes is a choirboy with wings?

 

[bongsaway]

Mueller wasnt appointed to find tax cheats or guys who didn't correctly file as being reps of a foreign government.

He was appointed to find evidence that the Trump campaign and Russia conspired to fix the 2016 election. To the extent that he has failed to do so, and is revealing indictments indicating that it didn't happen, indicates that the question if 'why do they lie if not because...' to be more of an Alamo kind of desperation.

And Ken Starr wasn't appointed to find a blow job but he did.

 

[woodsman]

Curious is not the word I would use.

Factual is not the word I would use in the opinion piece you linked or the parroting of it.

 

[Cardinal]

At this point, I get the desperation. We all know Mueller was appointed to find out whether Trump & Co conspired with Putin to throw the 2016 election. That he is only prosecuting crimes that either resulted during the course of the investigation (process crimes), or crimes that the local federal prosecutor could have handled. His biggest success will be unrealized in practice: those indicted Russians will never see the inside of a USA court.
Meanwhile the continued failure of Mueller to find the 'smoking gun' of collusion rolls on.

You're gish-galloping falsehoods. At best, your post is nothing more than a projection of the goals posts you have set that will impress you. Your goal posts, however, are yours, and they are not reflective of reality.

 

[Cardinal]

Who says not to prosecute the theft?

But let us not forget that Mueller was appointed to find collusion, not tax violations.

And the conclusion of your belief is...what, exactly? That all the people indicted for other crimes should be let go? What is the practical conclusion of your post?

 

[Mycroft]

Must be image building day for the media. The media forms how we see trump and now it's the Mueller investigation. What's next? Nunes is a choirboy with wings?

Every day is image building day for the media. They've been building their image of Trump since he came down the escalator.

 

[Rogue Valley]

All they do is lie. Why?

Because all their boss does is lie also. That's why he hired them.

 

[sangha]

Curious, were in the link is the direct quote from Muller that “says” what the opinion piece is clamming or you’re parroting? It must be a twitter thing…..

Umm, the piece does not say that Mueller is asking why. The author is asking why

I am certain that Mueller, who is investigating whether Trump campaign officials worked with Russians, is not interested in why campaign officials lied about their contacts with russian agents