Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know.)

[Stinger]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

Yes Stinger. We all know that Giuliani and Romney are models of consistent, principled candidates. :lol:

Compared to her changes they are the pillar of consistency and can at least discussion the changes and why.

Yes. At least I hope she is lying now about free trade, and I suspect that she probably is. She seems much too smart to actually believe the infantile "THEM FURRINERS TERRRRRRK ERRRRRRR JERRRRRRRRRRRBS."

She can't afford to alienate the unions.


Originally Posted by Stinger
She has the highest negatives.

True, but that's because she's more of a known quantity than the other candidates. Any of them will end the election cycle with negatives just as high as Hillary's are. That's just how presidential campaigns work.

:rofl no, she has HIGH negatives and it's a problem. Even in her own party.

Like I said, I agree with her political beliefs more than most of the other candidates running.

If you can figure out what they are more power to you.

What does it matter? I already explained why I think that being First Lady is good experience.

It shows the ability to accomplish things, to do what you say you are going to do, to run something, to lead something. She has nothing in her resusme to give any sign of Presidential "stuff". She rode her husbands coatails and allowed herself to made a fool of to get here.

The way she acquired the experience does not change the fact that she HAS the experience.

So Laura Bush is just as qualified to be President as Hillary then.

 

[Thorgasm]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

Some women are voting for Hillary simply because she is a woman and that is outrageous............

People voted for Bush because he had an (R) by his name. I don't see the difference. Neither one thought when picking a candidate.

 

[danarhea]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

I've spoken to a number of people who are planning to vote for Hillary in the primary and possibly general election. That's fine. I appreciate that people have differing opinions, but what I find alarming is that out of all of the Hillary voters, I haven't found a single one who can articulate why they're voting for her. I get answers like, "I liked Bill, so I'll vote for Hillary." Doesn't anyone vote on issues anymore?

Actually, this is not so much about issues for some of the voters, as it is about this guy.....

Democrats are invoking his name, and Republicans are running away from him like the plague. Issues should take precedence over personalities, but the GOP has handed the Dems quite a gift this election cycle. It's kind of like Bill Clinton, but in reverse.

Also, some Dems see Hillary getting elected as revenge for the impeachment of Bill.

 

[tlmorg02]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

I do not mean to drift from the original question, but I feel that in all reality, if one looks at the pool of candidates on both sides it would appear as if the country and the parties are moving to the center. Guliani as a national Republican after GWB?!?!! And most of the Democrats are very pro-industry versus the more traditional labor/middle class role. Before long the only difference will be hawk or dove on foreign policy.

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

Compared to her changes they are the pillar of consistency and can at least discussion the changes and why.

If you say so. :lol:

She can't afford to alienate the unions.

Correct, which is why I suspect she is just pandering instead of genuinely opposing free trade. She'll most likely change course after the election.

:rofl no, she has HIGH negatives and it's a problem. Even in her own party.

Like I said, any candidate will end the election cycle with negatives in the same range as Hillary's. Lots of mudslinging during a presidential campaign.

If you can figure out what they are more power to you.

Unlike you, I'm able to distinguish a candidate's genuine beliefs from a candidate's pandering...at least, most of the time.

It shows the ability to accomplish things, to do what you say you are going to do, to run something, to lead something. She has nothing in her resusme to give any sign of Presidential "stuff". She rode her husbands coatails and allowed herself to made a fool of to get here.

So Laura Bush is just as qualified to be President as Hillary then.

I'm sure Laura Bush has learned a good many things from her time in the White House as well. I do not know if she has the personality or political beliefs that I consider necessary to be president...but I certainly would not suggest she was unqualified for the office, especially if she goes on to serve eight years in the Senate.

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

I do not mean to drift from the original question, but I feel that in all reality, if one looks at the pool of candidates on both sides it would appear as if the country and the parties are moving to the center. Guliani as a national Republican after GWB?!?!! And most of the Democrats are very pro-industry versus the more traditional labor/middle class role. Before long the only difference will be hawk or dove on foreign policy.

I agree.

I think this is a good thing that candidates are more centrist. On both sides of the aisle, the selection of candidates is much better this cycle than they usually are IMO. But maybe it just seems that way to me because the candidate pool in 2004 was especially awful.

Hillary, Obama, McCain, Romney, Huckabee...while some of them are better than others, I don't think any of them would be an awful president. The only ones who scare me are Giuliani and Edwards.

 

[bhkad]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

no.

sending an uninformed electorate to the polls...
is like sending the jury to decide a verdict without hearing the case.

sweet.

By the way, and speaking of an uninformed electorate, what's the goal of Jihad?

Sura 9:33, simply put, predicts the conquest of Islam over all religions. Islam must dominate the world through jihad.

 

[tlmorg02]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

I like Biden. He is straight forward, has plenty of foreign policy experience, and works well with Republicans. Also in all of the Democratic debates Biden sets the tone and makes the most sense. He is the only candidate to have an actual organized plan for Iraq.

 

[Cold Highway]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

I like Biden. He is straight forward, has plenty of foreign policy experience, and works well with Republicans. Also in all of the Democratic debates Biden sets the tone and makes the most sense. He is the only candidate to have an actual organized plan for Iraq.

Both Biden and Dodd ownd Hillary, Obama and Edwards at the last two debates. I honestly wish Richardson would step up though.

 

[tlmorg02]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

I like Richardson for his foreign policy experience, and the fact that he was in an executive position, but it seems he lacks some presidential quality that I cannot define. It is almost as if he seems a little goofy to me. If he were more aggressive and forceful, rather than seeming to plead his positions, then he would be doing much better I think.

 

[Stinger]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

I like Richardson for his foreign policy experience

The man who would immediately pull us out of Iraq even when we are having such huge successes and it is going our way. That's a position even the top tier Dem candidates are backing away from.

 

[Stinger]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

Unlike you, I'm able to distinguish a candidate's genuine beliefs from a candidate's pandering...at least, most of the time.

HILLARY? You've got to be joking she and her husband are nothing but panderers and never took a hard position on anything they weren't ready to give up for political opportunism.

I'm sure Laura Bush has learned a good many things from her time in the White House

Probably as much as Hillary so that would make her just as qualified on that basis.

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

HILLARY? You've got to be joking she and her husband are nothing but panderers and never took a hard position on anything they weren't ready to give up for political opportunism.

Then you shouldn't despise her that much. If most Americans share your conservative beliefs, then she'll pander to them, and you'll have the conservative president you want. So chin up, cowboy. :lol:

Probably as much as Hillary so that would make her just as qualified on that basis.

Perhaps, although she doesn't also have the Senate experience. However, *I* am not the one foaming at the mouth arguing that Laura Bush is unqualified to be president. If she wants to run, that's fine with me.

 

[Stinger]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

Then you shouldn't despise her that much.

What is the premise for that statement? Speak for yourself.

All you have to do is convince the American people that you're right on the issues, and she'll pander to the will of the people. Thus you'll have a president that does what you want. So chin up, cowboy.

That is YOUR view of what makes a good leader not mine.

Perhaps, although she doesn't also have the Senate experience.

Which has seldom proved valuable and since Hillary's Senate career has been very unspectacular.....................

However, *I* am not the one foaming at the mouth arguing that Laura Bush is unqualified to be president.

No one said you were, you are the one slobbering over Hillary Clinton running on the basis she was the First Lady and that qualifies her. Well so was Jackie Kennedy, did that give her the stuff to be a good President?

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

What is the premise for that statement? Speak for yourself.



That is YOUR view of what makes a good leader not mine.

If there was a president who did everything I wanted them to do, I'd think that they were an outstanding leader. :mrgreen:

Which has seldom proved valuable and since Hillary's Senate career has been very unspectacular.....................

Being a legislator for eight years certainly doesn't hurt.

No one said you were, you are the one slobbering over Hillary Clinton running on the basis she was the First Lady and that qualifies her.

That isn't why I support her, idiot. Read what I actually wrote. That was just one of many reasons that I think she is the best candidate. She's certainly more qualified than Obama or Edwards, both of whom haven't even been in the Senate as long as she has. And I agree with her on the issues more than I do with the Republicans.

Well so was Jackie Kennedy, did that give her the stuff to be a good President?

Possibly, but we'll never know. Anyway, she was only First Lady for three years. Hillary was First Lady for eight. You don't think that you'd pick up any useful knowledge if you talked to the President of the United States nearly every day for eight years, and campaigned alongside him/her?

 

[Iriemon]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

By the way, and speaking of an uninformed electorate, what's the goal of Jihad?

Sura 9:33, simply put, predicts the conquest of Islam over all religions. Islam must dominate the world through jihad.

[9:33] He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers.

The Authorized English Translation of the Quran, Sura - 9 Ultimatum (Bara'ah)-translated from the original by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.

 

[Stinger]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

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All you have to do is convince the American people that you're right on the issues, and she'll pander to the will of the people. Thus you'll have a president that does what you want. So chin up, cowboy.
Me>> That is YOUR view of what makes a good leader not mine.

If there was a president who did everything I wanted them to do, I'd think that they were an outstanding leader.

What does that have to do with what you said and being a good leader?

Being a legislator for eight years certainly doesn't hurt.

Who has it helped? But her premise, her statement, the contention of her supporters is that her stint as First Lady qualifies her, well then you'd have to say that about all the other first ladies too and I don't think that will hold much water.

That isn't why I support her, idiot. Read what I actually wrote. That was just one of many reasons that I think she is the best candidate. She's certainly more qualified than Obama or Edwards, both of whom haven't even been in the Senate as long as she has.

We can agree then that none of the leading Democrat candidates bring much to the table.

And can the name calling.

And I agree with her on the issues more than I do with the Republicans.

Possibly, but we'll never know. Anyway, she was only First Lady for three years.

Jackie Kennedy that is........................showing the fallaciousness of the argument.

Hillary was First Lady for eight.

So has Laura by the end of the term.

You don't think that you'd pick up any useful knowledge if you talked to the President of the United States nearly every day for eight years,

That doesn't make you a good leader.

and campaigned alongside him/her?

That doesn't make you a good leader.

That's riding your spouses coat tails. What has SHE done, what leadership has SHE displayed, what accomplishments does SHE have, not who has she stood beside and supported all her life.

 

[Iriemon]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

That's riding your spouses coat tails. What has SHE done, what leadership has SHE displayed, what accomplishments does SHE have, not who has she stood beside and supported all her life.

Elected Senator of New York.

 

[Thorgasm]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

She's certainly more qualified than Obama or Edwards, both of whom haven't even been in the Senate as long as she has.

What does being a member of the senate have to do with being qualified to be president? Who was the last member of the senate elected to the office of President? Now compare that to how many have run.

Obama owns her on decision making and sound judgement.

 

[tlmorg02]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

She will most likely win for three main reasons: 1) She is pro-business Democrat 2) She is a woman 3) She is Bill Clinton's wife.

Whether or not she is qualified will be of little consequence.

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

What does that have to do with what you said and being a good leader?

If a president agreed with me on all issues and the proper way to implement them, I don't think I could ask for anything more from him/her.

Who has it helped?

In what regard? Being a Washington politician at least gives her an idea of how to work with other politicians to get things done, rather than being a total novice coming in to "change the system."

But her premise, her statement, the contention of her supporters is that her stint as First Lady qualifies her,

It's a combination of her time as First Lady and Senator.

well then you'd have to say that about all the other first ladies too and I don't think that will hold much water.

Why not?

Jackie Kennedy that is........................showing the fallaciousness of the argument.

Translate this to comprehensible English if you expect a response.

So has Laura by the end of the term.

So? I never said Laura *wasn't* qualified; she may very well be. It is *you* who is foaming at the mouth saying Hillary isn't qualified.

That's riding your spouses coat tails. What has SHE done, what leadership has SHE displayed, what accomplishments does SHE have, not who has she stood beside and supported all her life.

Did George W. Bush not ride his father's coattails into the White House?

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

What does being a member of the senate have to do with being qualified to be president?

It certainly gives you experience in compromising with Senators, and knowing how Congress operates.

Who was the last member of the senate elected to the office of President? Now compare that to how many have run.

Well, that's a campaign issue, not a question of experience. Senators have long voting records that are easier to campaign against.

Obama owns her on decision making and sound judgement.

Do you have any examples of this besides the Iraq war?

 

[Thorgasm]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

Do you have any examples of this besides the Iraq war?

Do i need any more?:rofl

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

Do i need any more?:rofl

Yes you do, considering they both have essentially the same Iraq policy now.

 

[Thorgasm]

Re: Why do people support Hillary? (This isn't just rhetoric. I really want to know

Yes you do, considering they both have essentially the same Iraq policy now.

How many viable options are there to get out? Of course they are similar. As I stated, he obviously has better judgement. He didn't let political winds or emotions decide how to vote. He used sound, objective judgement. Don't try to equate the two now. He wouldn't have had us there.