Why do conservatives on most forums seem less knowledgeable?

[Threegoofs]

He's just less knowledgeable.

It's kind of scary though. He thinks 4.8 trillion was spent on something. And he's pissed cause he didn't get any.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

You're a fine fellow to debate with and I wish you well but this is my first knowledge of your Foster child and I don't think your family dynamics are relevant. The rest of your post is just a slur.

Jack - a 'slur'? Really?

No, I really don't think you believe that. When debating issues online, one gets a feel fairly quickly for who are among the more intelligent around - and you're one of them. Thing is, when a guy's been identified as being intelligent and erudite, one can be reasonably sure guy in question will not miss the deeper or broader meanings of what one posts.

No, I really doubt you felt that what I posted was any kind of slur. I think that you just didn't want to continue the conversation...which is fine with me, and I can leave it at that.

 

[Fenton]

He's just less knowledgeable.

Neither YOU or your highly misinformed friend have backed up your assertions that ANY Conservative is less informed.

You rattle of simple and meaningless one sentence statements as you ignore my challenges and 3goof backs his assertions up with bald face lies.

He actually tried to attribute Obama's massive spending to Bush's 2009 budget by lumping in 9 appropriations bills that were signed by Obama.

I knew your lot was generally dishonest but thats ridiculous.

Now one more time, specifically address the points in my post or run away and admit you can't back up your claims.

 

[American]

Highly educated =\= bachelors degrees and professional degrees like MBAs. Think PhDs. All of them are liberals.

History and fine arts PhDs are everywhere; the number of PhD's does not necessarily equal quality.

 

[Jack Hays]

Jack - a 'slur'? Really?

No, I really don't think you believe that. When debating issues online, one gets a feel fairly quickly for who are among the more intelligent around - and you're one of them. Thing is, when a guy's been identified as being intelligent and erudite, one can be reasonably sure guy in question will not miss the deeper or broader meanings of what one posts.

No, I really doubt you felt that what I posted was any kind of slur. I think that you just didn't want to continue the conversation...which is fine with me, and I can leave it at that.

On the contrary, I meant that it was a slur and I believe it. Conservatives are just about the only group whom it is permitted to denigrate in broad brush group terms. That's the definition of a slur. Religious conservatives are the only religious group against whom bigotry is winked at. That's just the slope of the terrain. I am neither religious nor conservative, so I have no dog in the fight, but I recognize unfairness when I see it.eace

 

[Glen Contrarian]

On the contrary, I meant that it was a slur and I believe it. Conservatives are just about the only group whom it is permitted to denigrate in broad brush group terms. That's the definition of a slur. Religious conservatives are the only religious group against whom bigotry is winked at. That's just the slope of the terrain. I am neither religious nor conservative, so I have no dog in the fight, but I recognize unfairness when I see it.eace

Jack, I apologize - I misread your point of view. So please read the below; perhaps you haven't seen things in the light of what I say below. Most conservatives haven't...but then, you're not by any means what I would call a 'normal' conservative.

I've posted quite a few times - though you probably haven't seen it - that I believe that most conservatives are not racist...but they do tolerate race-baiting. Is this or is this not a true statement? I base the first part on what I believe must be right (despite what it seems like sometimes), and the second part on the fact that the race-baiting pundits (and a few race-baiting politicians) still have their jobs after so many years.

And here's another concept you won't like, but read it through before you dismiss it out-of-hand: white racism in America IS stronger, IS more prevalent than is racism by the other races. This is not something unique to America, but all over the word, and - pay attention - has nothing to do with the fact they're white. What it stems from is power and money and success. If you'll think about it - and you'll have seen it in this forum just as I have - the race or culture that is more successful has a strong tendency to feel that they are "naturally better" than less-successful race or culture. This has been seen in just about every great empire from the Mongols to the Mings, from the Ptolemys to the Caesars, from the Aztecs to the Zulus. Today, we see so much more racism by the whites because we have been the most powerful worldwide for a little over 500 years (when the Chinese decided to stop sending their great treasure fleets all the way to the Middle East).

Conversely, the races and cultures that are less successful have a tendency - if to varying extents - to want to be part of the more successful races and cultures. This is why it's been so common over the past few centuries for white men to attract women of color. To look at the flip side of the coin, remember when Japan was a rising economic star in the 1980's? All of a sudden, Japanese men were attracting white women. For another example - and I think you must have seen this in your travels - we whites (and particularly whites from America or the British Commonwealth) are often given preferential treatment among nonwhites in poor countries (with some notable exceptions of course)...but those Americans of color are often discriminated against by the locals. I strongly believe that if China had not turned inward circa 1500, the world - including the whites - would be giving the Han the preferential treatment that whites generally get today. And if Africa had united and become a great empire that was influential throughout the world, it would be they who would be receiving the preferential treatment. I've got many personal examples of this...but I feel you would be more likely to dismiss such as anecdotal experience only.

What's more, because of their more successful status, power, and influence, racism by the dominant race or culture is stronger and more detrimental than racism by less successful races or cultures. This is why white racism IS more hurtful than racism by other races...i.e. the influence of the racism by the NOI (or all racism by nonwhite groups combined, for that matter) simply cannot be compared to the influence of the racism that is generally present throughout the Southern white community. The influence of racism by nonwhite groups is but a molehill compared to the relative mountain of white racism - the two simply cannot be reasonably compared, and hopefully you see in the above paragraphs why this is.

Again, the level of racism among whites is not because they're white, but because of the relative success and power we've had over the past half millennium. If any other race had been in our shoes, their racism against less-successful races would be just as prevalent - and just as hurtful.

NOW...what does this have to do with conservatives? Why does racism seem to be more prevalent among conservatives, and why do even those who aren't racist tolerate racism by fellow conservatives? Ask yourself, what is the general conservative mindset? Conservatives generally dislike social change - unless it's some kind of return to "the good old days". Conservatives are generally less comfortable with what isn't seen as socially "normal" within their community. What has happened since 2008 is - in the eyes of so many conservatives - a shift in society that they never dreamt...particularly among strongly-conservative Southern whites. And the heart of modern conservatism, of the modern Republican party - is in the South...where racism among whites is so often the rule rather than the exception. There are conservatives in all states...and most of them are not racist. But at this point in history, it's the Southern whites who are most influential, who essentially speak for the nation's conservatives...and their racism - though they deny it so vociferously - so easily projects upon the nation's conservatives as a whole...and right now, it seems that the not-racist non-Southern conservatives cannot (or will not) exert the influence necessary to shut down the racism from the South that does influence the policies of the Republican party as a whole.

That's why so many people - and perhaps a majority of the people - paint the GOP and the nation's conservatives with the broad brush of racism. They see the Southern conservatives as representing the whole, and the racism prevalent throughout so much of the South is not going away in our lifetimes. It will not be until those conservatives from outside the South retake their party and shut down the race-baiting pundits and politicians that the GOP will ever begin to once more be seen as a big-tent party that welcomes those of all races.

 

[Jack Hays]

Jack, I apologize - I misread your point of view. So please read the below; perhaps you haven't seen things in the light of what I say below. Most conservatives haven't...but then, you're not by any means what I would call a 'normal' conservative.

I've posted quite a few times - though you probably haven't seen it - that I believe that most conservatives are not racist...but they do tolerate race-baiting. Is this or is this not a true statement? I base the first part on what I believe must be right (despite what it seems like sometimes), and the second part on the fact that the race-baiting pundits (and a few race-baiting politicians) still have their jobs after so many years.

And here's another concept you won't like, but read it through before you dismiss it out-of-hand: white racism in America IS stronger, IS more prevalent than is racism by the other races. This is not something unique to America, but all over the word, and - pay attention - has nothing to do with the fact they're white. What it stems from is power and money and success. If you'll think about it - and you'll have seen it in this forum just as I have - the race or culture that is more successful has a strong tendency to feel that they are "naturally better" than less-successful race or culture. This has been seen in just about every great empire from the Mongols to the Mings, from the Ptolemys to the Caesars, from the Aztecs to the Zulus. Today, we see so much more racism by the whites because we have been the most powerful worldwide for a little over 500 years (when the Chinese decided to stop sending their great treasure fleets all the way to the Middle East).

Conversely, the races and cultures that are less successful have a tendency - if to varying extents - to want to be part of the more successful races and cultures. This is why it's been so common over the past few centuries for white men to attract women of color. To look at the flip side of the coin, remember when Japan was a rising economic star in the 1980's? All of a sudden, Japanese men were attracting white women. For another example - and I think you must have seen this in your travels - we whites (and particularly whites from America or the British Commonwealth) are often given preferential treatment among nonwhites in poor countries (with some notable exceptions of course)...but those Americans of color are often discriminated against by the locals. I strongly believe that if China had not turned inward circa 1500, the world - including the whites - would be giving the Han the preferential treatment that whites generally get today. And if Africa had united and become a great empire that was influential throughout the world, it would be they who would be receiving the preferential treatment. I've got many personal examples of this...but I feel you would be more likely to dismiss such as anecdotal experience only.

What's more, because of their more successful status, power, and influence, racism by the dominant race or culture is stronger and more detrimental than racism by less successful races or cultures. This is why white racism IS more hurtful than racism by other races...i.e. the influence of the racism by the NOI (or all racism by nonwhite groups combined, for that matter) simply cannot be compared to the influence of the racism that is generally present throughout the Southern white community. The influence of racism by nonwhite groups is but a molehill compared to the relative mountain of white racism - the two simply cannot be reasonably compared, and hopefully you see in the above paragraphs why this is.

Again, the level of racism among whites is not because they're white, but because of the relative success and power we've had over the past half millennium. If any other race had been in our shoes, their racism against less-successful races would be just as prevalent - and just as hurtful.

NOW...what does this have to do with conservatives? Why does racism seem to be more prevalent among conservatives, and why do even those who aren't racist tolerate racism by fellow conservatives? Ask yourself, what is the general conservative mindset? Conservatives generally dislike social change - unless it's some kind of return to "the good old days". Conservatives are generally less comfortable with what isn't seen as socially "normal" within their community. What has happened since 2008 is - in the eyes of so many conservatives - a shift in society that they never dreamt...particularly among strongly-conservative Southern whites. And the heart of modern conservatism, of the modern Republican party - is in the South...where racism among whites is so often the rule rather than the exception. There are conservatives in all states...and most of them are not racist. But at this point in history, it's the Southern whites who are most influential, who essentially speak for the nation's conservatives...and their racism - though they deny it so vociferously - so easily projects upon the nation's conservatives as a whole...and right now, it seems that the not-racist non-Southern conservatives cannot (or will not) exert the influence necessary to shut down the racism from the South that does influence the policies of the Republican party as a whole.

That's why so many people - and perhaps a majority of the people - paint the GOP and the nation's conservatives with the broad brush of racism. They see the Southern conservatives as representing the whole, and the racism prevalent throughout so much of the South is not going away in our lifetimes. It will not be until those conservatives from outside the South retake their party and shut down the race-baiting pundits and politicians that the GOP will ever begin to once more be seen as a big-tent party that welcomes those of all races.

A fascinating and thoughtful post. I'm flattered that you thought I was worth the trouble. Your multicentury historical observations are too big for this discussion, or at least bigger than I feel like taking on right now. My short answer would be that I don't know, but I doubt it. Moving on . . .

I don't believe there is much racism among conservatives and I don't believe they tolerate it any more than any other political persuasion does. I don't believe conservative politicians or commentators send coded messages in their speech to convey racist thoughts. What is true, however, is that conservatives' opponents have a powerful vested interest in, and often an emotional need for, promoting the idea of conservative racism. This need not be a conscious or cynical choice, although in some cases I'm sure it is. The effect, intended or not, is to illegitimately gain the moral high ground for conservatives' opponents. I find that repellent.

In my experience I have found more destructive treatment of our fellow man on the left than anywhere else on the political spectrum. I have not found that Americans or British Commonwealth whites get better treatment than others, and I have not found that nonwhite Americans are treated less well than white Americans. I have not found white southerners to be more racist than other Americans, and I've known some for many years and under occasional great stress.

As far as I'm concerned the most destructive coded speech in American politics is the insinuation on the left of racism on the right. eace

 

[Glen Contrarian]

A fascinating and thoughtful post. I'm flattered that you thought I was worth the trouble. Your multicentury historical observations are too big for this discussion, or at least bigger than I feel like taking on right now. My short answer would be that I don't know, but I doubt it. Moving on . . .

I don't believe there is much racism among conservatives and I don't believe they tolerate it any more than any other political persuasion does. I don't believe conservative politicians or commentators send coded messages in their speech to convey racist thoughts. What is true, however, is that conservatives' opponents have a powerful vested interest in, and often an emotional need for, promoting the idea of conservative racism. This need not be a conscious or cynical choice, although in some cases I'm sure it is. The effect, intended or not, is to illegitimately gain the moral high ground for conservatives' opponents. I find that repellent.

In my experience I have found more destructive treatment of our fellow man on the left than anywhere else on the political spectrum. I have not found that Americans or British Commonwealth whites get better treatment than others, and I have not found that nonwhite Americans are treated less well than white Americans. I have not found white southerners to be more racist than other Americans, and I've known some for many years and under occasional great stress.

As far as I'm concerned the most destructive coded speech in American politics is the insinuation on the left of racism on the right. eace

I know this won't make any difference to your opinion, but I used to be a strong conservative - and as I said before, having been a racist, I know racism when I hear it. Just as you can't tell a naturalized American who came from Russia that he doesn't know the Russian language when he hears it, you can't tell me that I don't know racism when I hear it...white racism does have its own particular language, and I know it all too well.

Being a conservative and being a racist are indeed two different things...but in my first-hand experience, one's all too often mixed in with the other. And you'd be doing yourself a favor if you'd simply Google some of the race-baiting - and the outright racist comments - made by those on the Right. You can start with Santorum's "blah" people statement. Thing is, Jack, our proof doesn't come from our assumptions - our proof comes from the mouths of Republican politicians and the most influential conservative pundits. To refuse to consider the proposition that one side might actually be morally worse than the other is in and of itself an assumption.

 

[Jack Hays]

I know this won't make any difference to your opinion, but I used to be a strong conservative - and as I said before, having been a racist, I know racism when I hear it. Just as you can't tell a naturalized American who came from Russia that he doesn't know the Russian language when he hears it, you can't tell me that I don't know racism when I hear it...white racism does have its own particular language, and I know it all too well.

Being a conservative and being a racist are indeed two different things...but in my first-hand experience, one's all too often mixed in with the other. And you'd be doing yourself a favor if you'd simply Google some of the race-baiting - and the outright racist comments - made by those on the Right. You can start with Santorum's "blah" people statement. Thing is, Jack, our proof doesn't come from our assumptions - our proof comes from the mouths of Republican politicians and the most influential conservative pundits. To refuse to consider the proposition that one side might actually be morally worse than the other is in and of itself an assumption.

Oh, I quite agree that the left is morally much worse than the right.eace

 

[Rokkitsci]

Neither YOU or your highly misinformed friend have backed up your assertions that ANY Conservative is less informed.

You rattle of simple and meaningless one sentence statements as you ignore my challenges and 3goof backs his assertions up with bald face lies.

He actually tried to attribute Obama's massive spending to Bush's 2009 budget by lumping in 9 appropriations bills that were signed by Obama.

I knew your lot was generally dishonest but thats ridiculous.

Now one more time, specifically address the points in my post or run away and admit you can't back up your claims.

You have to leave this one alone - he is incapable of doing anything except parrot his original assertion with no rationale.

he is the dumbest of the dumb - not even smart enough to know there are vast areas that he has no knowledge of. But he has a one-trick-pony of a statement about climate change that he uses as a touchstone for 'intelligence' - if you question any of his assertions by offering facts that don't agree with his assumptions, he just ignores you and continues to claim that anyone like you is necessarily 'unintelligent.'

He is a sad puppet indeed.

 

[Rokkitsci]

I know this won't make any difference to your opinion, but I used to be a strong conservative - and as I said before, having been a racist, I know racism when I hear it. Just as you can't tell a naturalized American who came from Russia that he doesn't know the Russian language when he hears it, you can't tell me that I don't know racism when I hear it...white racism does have its own particular language, and I know it all too well.

our proof doesn't come from our assumptions - our proof comes from the mouths of Republican politicians and the most influential conservative pundits.

I'd like you to link some racist statements by Republican politicians or influential conservative pundits.

I am personally unaware of any racist statements by any reputable candidate or any influential pundit.

Please list some.

Or else you are full of poo-poo.

 

[Goshin]

I am a conservative myself, and I often feel a little embarrassed to admit it. If you ever see someone denying global warming or evolution, or saying that the world is 6000 years old you know its going to be a conservative (at least in my experience). Additionally, conservatives seem much more prone to fallacious arguments and misinformation.

I do have a genuine question (I'm not just voicing my opinion). Assuming this is true (and it seems to be in my experience), what are some possible reasons behind this? If you ever talk to a highly educated person, you know that there is a 90% chance he wont be conservative.

why do some people pretend to be conservative, then blow their cover so quickly? :roll:

 

[ethanUNC]

Everyone, look at my new signature. I just won this thread.

 

[Fenton]

Everyone, look at my new signature. I just won this thread.

You " Won" a thread ?

How ? By projecting a superficial false narrative about the Conservative ideology and then having your ass handed to you over and over by people far more intelligent than yourself ? Conservatives.

No, you won nothing. All you did was publicly humiliate yourself by exposing your intellectual laziness and dishonesty.

You proved to everyone that you're easily manipulated and susceptible to plattitudes and talking points and that you would rather buy into generic hyperbole and broad brush definitions than spend the energy to remain objective.

And when challeneged you run away.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

I'd like you to link some racist statements by Republican politicians or influential conservative pundits.

I am personally unaware of any racist statements by any reputable candidate or any influential pundit.

Please list some.

Or else you are full of poo-poo.

Y'know, there's this brand new tool to help you find stuff. It's called "Google" - you may have heard of it.

But if you are unable to use Google, here's some helpful links:

Palin's "shuck and jive" comment

A GOP state senator who says poverty is higher among blacks because they "eat too much chicken".

The Arizona Republic reported that hundreds of dissenters chose to model their insulting and extremist behavior before some of Phoenix's youngest residents. Assembled outside Desert Vista High School, they mocked Obama's race, singing "Bye Bye Black Sheep" in spirited synchronization. One "patriot" went so far as to deprecate our commander in chief by pronouncing him "47 percent Negro," while another, Deanne Bartram, held a sign that read, "Impeach the Half-White Muslim!" Since they also apparently were saying "Arpaio for President", we can be fairly certain they're quite conservative at the very least.

There's the Alaskan GOP congressman who referred to Latino farmworkers as wetbacks, the Virginian GOP congressman who referred to an Indian-American as a "macaca", and a South Carolina GOP state congressman who referred to a Sikh as a "raghead". To be fair, the same list shows mild racist statements by Harry Reid and Joe Biden...but if you look more closely, both their statements were rather mild and certainly didn't qualify as racist name-calling like the other ones certainly did.

There's "Joe the Plumber" - you know, the 15-minutes-of-fame Republican supporter of a few years back, and now a wannabe congressman? He said "Wanting A White Republican President Doesn't Make You Racist,' It 'Makes You American' ". Surely there's no racism, there, hm?

There was a GOP county party chairman who said (about a black former Miss America): "Rodney Davis will win and the love child of the D.N.C. will be back in ****cago by May of 2014 working for some law firm that needs to meet their quota for minority hires.
The truth is Nancy Pelosi and the DEMOCRAT party want this seat. So they called RINO Timmy Johnson to be their pack mule and get little queen to run.
Ann Callis gets a free ride through a primary and Rodney Davis has a battle.
The little queen touts her abstinence and she won the crown because she got bullied in school,,,boohoo..kids are cruel, life sucks and you move on..Now, miss queen is being used like a street walker and her pimps are the DEMOCRAT PARTY and RINO REPUBLICANS…These pimps want something they can’t get,,, the seat held by a conservative REPUBLICAN Rodney Davis and Nancy Pelosi can’t stand it..
Little Queenie and Nancy Pelosi have so much in common but the one thing that stands out the most.. both are FORMER QUEENS, their crowns are tarnished and time has run out on the both of them.."

I wrote a whole doggone article on Ron Paul's racism - he denies it of course...but I find it REAL hard to believe that such obviously racist statements would be in Ron Paul's magazine and written in Ron Paul's name without Ron Paul knowing all about it. I think I can safely say that writers who allow things to be written in their name and don't even check to see what was written is very, very rare indeed.

AND WHERE DOES THIS COME FROM? It's called Nixon's "Southern Strategy". When the Democrats - and liberal Republicans (yes, some were liberal at the time - passed the Civil Rights Act, it ticked off the entire white racist South...and within a few elections they shifted en masse from the Democratic party to the Republican party...and the Republican party welcomed the racists. Here's a 1970 quote from President Richard Nixon's political strategist:

“From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that…but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”

Guy, most conservatives are not racist...but a heck of a lot of Republicans Down South certainly are. As late as 2011, FORTY-SIX PERCENT of Mississippi Republicans STILL said interracial marriage should be banned.

I can keep this up all night long - and I didn't even begin on the whole raft of race-baiting comments by Rush Limbaugh - but I encourage you to try to find anywhere near as many racist statements - and make sure they're actual insults and slurs, and not just minor insensitive statements - by Dems. Go ahead - do your worst.

 

[Rokkitsci]

I clicked on your first link - laughable.

Shuck and jive = as stated in the article - it means to 'dance around' the issue. Only a tortured interpretation by an idiot leads you to the '1819 definition' meaning to 'shuck corn' === 'and who does the shucking?" = SLAVES

There you have it - a genuine racist statement as determined by an idiot - and parroted by YOU as if it were gospel.

I did not feel compelled to read any more of the tripe - but I didn't recognize an influential GOP politician or pundit in any of the other link titles.

And I don't have to google for anything. I keep up with politics - and have for the past 60 years. I know what has happened and why it has happened. All you seem to know is what someone who has too much time on their hands types out on a website as 'examples' of rampant GOP racism. You are wrong - possibly knowingly wrong and just participating in the 'GOP is racist" meme for ulterior political motives. That is of no interest to me. I am not effected by the actions of idiots.

Nobody denies that racists exist - and many of them are in the GOP. Nobody denies that. But most racists are DEMocrats.

I use the true definition of racism = that is to judge people based on the color of their skin, rather than the content of their character, as personified by the Rev Martin Luther King.

WHICH party makes judgements on people based on the color of their skin?? ==== DEMOCRATS.

Democrats' stock in trade is lying to black people about their perceived problems. Democrats try to convince blacks that they are inferior - and cannot compete without having the government give them a statutory advantage - or else just paying them to not even try to compete.

It is certainly not the GOP which is trying to keep the blacks as a dependent and victimized group. It is your beloved DEMs who are doing this to the black community. The GOP wants EVERYONE to succeed - especially the black community so they can join the great American experience of working hard, paying your own way, and leaving the nation in better shape for their children.

DEMs want blacks to forever be dependent on government handouts, period. They make sure that blacks are undereducated - resisting all efforts for them to escape failing schools. They interpret every social interaction between 'white and black' based first on whether or not a political advantage can be achieved by exploiting the situation.

Note that the DEMs really don't care about saving blacks lives - look at their collective yawns about the black-on-black murders in big cities like Chicago, LA, and Detroit. Not a care is given. However, look at what the DEM machinery does in a situation like Zimmerman v Travon Martin. They go all in on exploiting the situation for political benefit.

DEMs treat blacks like political pawns - GOP treats blacks like individuals.

You are concentrating on a few anecdotal utterances which often draw on tortured re-definitions of words in order to manufacture faux outrage.

Sorry - but the DEMs are the party of true racists - the ones who really think black skin means inferior minds and motives. As stated by the biggest racist of all - President Lyndon Baines Johnson upon getting the voting rights act passed (with outstanding efforts by GOP congressmen who had been pushing for years to get this accomplished) LBJ said - "good, now we will have the n!@@*$ vote forever."

That is what the DEM party thinks of blacks - a source of votes so they can pursue their socialist agenda. If not for the bloc vote from blacks, the DEMs would revert back to their racist roots and leave it to the GOP to actually look out for real progress for blacks as they have always done.

YOU are confusing the conservatives' attacks on welfare abuse as attacks on blacks. There are more whites using and abusing welfare than there are blacks. We want the welfare system to be fair and function as a temporary safety net, not as a permanent hammock for generations of families to use as their means of support. White or black.

YOU are free to misinterpret that as you will - because misinformation and deliberate lies are what you live for.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Atlanta, GA, August 9, 2006 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) expressed outrage over the incident last evening in which members of Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney's security entourage, including individuals associated with the New Black Panther Party, physically and verbally attacked members of the media, spewing racist and anti-Semitic epithets.

"It's astonishing that in a democratic election anti-Semitism still rears its ugly head. Once again some McKinney supporters have resorted to anti-Semitism and racist language and are blaming Jews for her loss to an African-American opponent," stated Shelley Rose, ADL's Southeast Region Associate Director. "The fact that she has frequently included The New Black Panther Party -- which is perhaps the largest organized anti-Semitic and racist Black hate group in America-- in her security entourage is extremely troubling."

According to reports and video coverage, as McKinney arrived at her campaign headquarters late last night, Steve Muhammad, one of McKinney's security staff scuffled with the media and was accidentally struck by a news camera carried by a television photographer, receiving a cut on the right side of his head. Muhammad then physically lashed out at the photographer. During the scuffle, another member of her entourage who wore a New Black Panther Party pin shouted expletives at the media, including calling them "crackers" --a derisive term for whites – and telling them, "You got what you damn wanted. You got your Uncle Tom, now go put your cameras on him," referring to Hank Johnson, the African American candidate who defeated Ms. McKinney. He continued to rant, "You ain't in Israel and this ain't no Lebanese people, so back up. Gonna get your Jewish [expletive]… (inaudible)…."

Following McKinney's concession speech, a reporter attempted to ask the Congresswoman why she thought she lost. The New Black Panther member interrupted, shouting, "Why do you think she lost? You wanna know what led to the loss? Israel. The Zionists. You. Put on your yarmulke and celebrate."

ADL Condemns Racist, Anti-Semitic Tirades At Rep. Cynthia Mckinney's Concession Speech




Nonetheless, its bizarre theology of innate black superiority over whites — a belief system vehemently and consistently rejected by mainstream Muslims — and the deeply racist, anti-Semitic and anti-gay rhetoric of its leaders, including top minister Louis Farrakhan, have earned the NOI a prominent position in the ranks of organized hate.

In Its Own Words
"[T]he Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He wasn't a great man for me as a black person, but he was a great German. Now, I'm not proud of Hitler's evils against Jewish people, but that's a matter of record. He raised Germany up from nothing. Well, in a sense you could say there's a similarity in that we are raising our people up from nothing."
— Louis Farrakhan, radio interview, March 11, 1984

"Jews have been conclusively linked to the greatest criminal endeavor ever undertaken against an entire race of people … the black African Holocaust. … The effects of this unspeakable tragedy are still being felt among the peoples of the world at this very hour."
— The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews (NOI book), 1991

"Who are the slumlords in the Black community? The so-called Jews. … Who is it sucking our blood in the Black community? A white imposter Arab and a white imposter Jew."
— Speech by NOI national official Khalid Muhammad, Nov. 29, 1993

let's not act if the RNC is the only political party that has excused and embraced racists for political interests