tecoyah said:These things exist....in the minds of theorists....but until experiment proves such theories to be valid beyond hypothesis....they are thought experiments only. There are several attempts planned to validate String (actually "M") theory, but even with full success these can only show hints at the existance of higher dimensions.
Red-Phase said:String theorists added another dimension to comply with M theorist(thier rivals somewhat...?).
How can they prove them though?
neutrinos,time,and gravitons are proven to exist yet under your rules they don't.
Engimo said:Actually, many of the predictions of String Theory are going to be tested in the new particle accelerators that are being built like the giant one at CERN. You're wrong about neutrinos, though, they have been proven to exist by using giant tanks of heavy water that are placed miles below the Earth. Very interesting, actually.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/neutrino.html#c3
Red-Phase said:please read my posts.
I said...
So dark matter,antiphotons and neutrinos(for the most part)are not real.
So what about energies that don't interact with matter.
still time,antiphotons,dark matter and gravitons don't interact with matter. I guess they don't exist then.
not exactly...Engimo said:Dark matter's existence is inferred for the very reason that it interacts gravitationally with matter. Gravitons have not been shown to exist, because they are theoretical and cannot be tested as of yet. As well, there are no "antiphotons" - the antiparticle of a photon is the photon.
There are no such things as "energies that do not interact with matter".
Red-Phase said:not exactly...
Gravitons have not yet been observed. It is hard to see how they could not exist, since they are predicted on the bases of General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. Both these theoretical structures have been found to have very wide domains of validity. They can't be combined in a consistent way that would apply to all ranges of phenomena, but it seems very likely that there are no major tricks in combining them on the sacle of, say, milliseconds, a range in which gravitational waves are being sought. Of course finding gravitational waves is not the same as finding gravitons, just as finding light didn't right away mean finding photons.
Yeah so time doesn't exist.
Engimo said:Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I said. Gravitons have yet to be observed, as we cannot test for their existence yet.
Time, though, does exist. It is a temporal dimension just like our spatial dimensions. Saying that time does not exist is like saying that directions do not exist - it is nonsense.
Red-Phase said:Wow there are alot of things that are predicted and theoretical,and unobserved that we believe to exist.
Gravitons haven't been observed before.unobserved does not=non existant
Why not God?
Engimo said:Because the existence of Gravitons is consistent with our universe - there is reason to believe that they do exist. Every force has a transmitter particle that we have observed with the exception of gravitation. As well, gravitons fit in many theories.
While we cannot say that they do exist, they very probably do on the above basis. God, on the other hand, has no mathematical/empirical reason to exist, and we cannot find any experimental/rational evidence pointing towards his existence.
The two things are entirely different.
same with WIMPs and dark matter and other dimensions but they are predicted to exist.What about supersymmetric particles? We predicted(have faith in soon discovering thier existance) them.Engimo said:Because the existence of Gravitons is consistent with our universe - there is reason to believe that they do exist. Every force has a transmitter particle that we have observed with the exception of gravitation. As well, gravitons fit in many theories.
While we cannot say that they do exist, they very probably do on the above basis. God, on the other hand, has no mathematical/empirical reason to exist, and we cannot find any experimental/rational evidence pointing towards his existence.
The two things are entirely different.
Red-Phase said:Wow there are alot of things that are predicted and theoretical,and unobserved that we believe to exist.
Gravitons haven't been observed before.unobserved does not=non existant
Why not God?
Red-Phase said:So experimental/mathematical criteria is what forms your reality.
What if we live in a matrix-like universe? God ran this matrix like program. We live in this program.God being all-powerful wanted us to find him by faith and so he made it impossible to prove him other than by faith.
I am not going to pretend that I can prove God's existance to you.If you don't believe in God than thats your choice.Engimo said:What if? There is no evidence to support that claim, so it lies in the realm of the hypothetical.
Red-Phase said:nice dodge now answer my question...
How do you know you exist.
My mission is to present the truth of the son of God, Jesus Christ.
Only the Holy Spirit can draw man to God. Not me.
Red-Phase said:Wow there are alot of things that are predicted and theoretical,and unobserved that we believe to exist.
Gravitons haven't been observed before.unobserved does not=non existant
Why not God?
Red-Phase said:I am not going to pretend that I can prove God's existance to you.If you don't believe in God than thats your choice.
My mission is to present the truth of the son of God, Jesus Christ.
Only the Holy Spirit can draw man to God. Not me.
Red-Phase said:Atheist are pretty funny when they try to disprove God.
They have no idea who implanted thier anti-christian/islam thought paterns.But thats another debate.
See when we limited humans use our limited logic with our limited view of the universe and what we know.We can say the same about other dimensions, and dark matter.Haven't ever observed either. We haven't proved either exists.
Atheists believe there is no god.
Are they correct?
I don't believe so.
Can I "prove" God to an atheist.No.Can an Atheist prove God doesn't exist to me? No.Why? Because the atheist made thier choice not to believe in God and I have made my choice to believe in God.
We humans need to realize our limits.One of which is the truth that we are incapable of really "knowing" anything.Bias,we are biased toward our earthy experiences.We are biased toward our human instincts and personal desires.We are biased toward our own physical reality. Here's an example.
Atheist claims God doesn't exist.
And I ask how do you know you exist.
Red-Phase said:I am not going to pretend that I can prove God's existance to you.
If you don't believe in God than thats your choice.
My mission is to present the truth of the son of God, Jesus Christ.
Only the Holy Spirit can draw man to God. Not me.
kal-el said:Yes, atheists don't subscribe to the idea of a "sky fortress" or "burning abyss" or any nonsensical things like so. By the way, I consider heaven to be filled with beautiful young women who can service me till no end, if one has a differnent take on it, how can it be heaven, it has to correspond to everyone's tastes, right?
realist said:Why are we here on this small dot (earth) in this vast universe? I think a belief in God is just natural and not a Christian thing. Why are we here, and different than animals that just go by instinct. The bible seems to make more sense the more you think about it?
HU-210 said:These religions give a false belief in purpose, in meaning, while there is in fact no meaning, but something 'less special'.
The result in depression, in the idea "There is no purpose in life. I want to die!" has been opposed by post-modernist and existentialists (the latter more) with the "Yes, live!" but the words ring hollow. If you have been promised eternal bliss, will you take 80 years of happiness instead? This is, in my eyes, the great crime of these self-suppresing religions. They tell us the stuff we want to hear, not the stuff we should hear, and when these promises turn out false, we become 'depressed'.
Mr U
Kelzie said:I'm going to have to go with the bible makes more sense the less you think about it. When I was a kid, I'd hear those stories and go "oh, okay...sure." Now I enjoy tormenting Christians with the question of who Adam and Eve's kids slept with. :2wave:
Kelzie said:I'm going to have to go with the bible makes more sense the less you think about it. When I was a kid, I'd hear those stories and go "oh, okay...sure." Now I enjoy tormenting Christians with the question of who Adam and Eve's kids slept with. :2wave:
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