no, that if someone wanted to kill a 1 month or 3 months old because its never going to have a good life anyway (poverty , handicap etc) or the impacts to other family members its ok to do itAdmit what? Your emotionalism aside, I simply stated a fact.
Depends on the situation. The pregnant woman gets to decide whether to continue gestating or not. Ideally, a patient has Advanced Directives to make their healthcare wishes known. Barring that, it falls to the legal next of kin.
No one decides that after birth. Those things are decided during pregnancy. You don’t have an argument hereno, that if someone wanted to kill a 1 month or 3 months old because its never going to have a good life anyway (poverty , handicap etc) or the impacts to other family members its ok to do it
no, after birth, who gets to decide to kill an innocent life when its clearly not wanted or growing up in poverty or whatever like you stated would be ok
If an infant has some debilitating medical or congenital defect which would exclude any meaningful quality of life or even a limited lifespan, which impacts it as much as the family, then why not? Its a family decision.no, that if someone wanted to kill a 1 month or 3 months old because its never going to have a good life anyway (poverty , handicap etc) or the impacts to other family members its ok to do it
As I said, the legal next of kin. But then, no one is going around killing kids after birth anyway. At least, not legally. So your hypothetical fails!no, after birth, who gets to decide to kill an innocent life when its clearly not wanted or growing up in poverty or whatever like you stated would be ok
He never has an argument, period. Just hypotheticals and feelings.No one decides that after birth. Those things are decided during pregnancy. You don’t have an argument here
Like most of MAGA on most thingsHe never has an argument, period. Just hypotheticals and feelings.
knowing this, at what point in development would you draw that line at eliminating human life ? 1 year? 3 years ?
I mean .... gotta kill off all those poor kids right? just the right thing to do, isn't it ?
so the family would get to decide in your opinion - gotchaIf an infant has some debilitating medical or congenital defect which would exclude any meaningful quality of life or even a limited lifespan, which impacts it as much as the family, then why not? Its a family decision.
As I said, the legal next of kin. But then, no one is going around killing kids after birth anyway. At least, not legally. So your hypothetical fails!
Who else besides the family would decide?so the family would get to decide in your opinion - gotcha
Poverty is one reason why some women choose abortion.can you tell me what defines "meaningful quality of life" ? would poverty be something that would qualify ?
I don't go by feelings or beliefs. Neither do I engage in meaningless hypotheticals. I made my thoughts quite clear and backed with rational, practical, and legal reasoning.just trying to gauge on how you feel/think/believe
thank you for clarity
Who else besides the family would decide?
Poverty is one reason why some women choose abortion.
I don't go by feelings or beliefs. Neither do I engage in meaningless hypotheticals. I made my thoughts quite clear and backed with rational, practical, and legal reasoning.
Of course I can, as abortion has legal guidelines and is argued in the courts. You just do not want me to use it because it destroys your own arguments and objections.you can't use legal - legal changes
I use established definitions, not how others want them to be defined.your definition of rational and practical is different than other peoples
Life is life. I always said that. You have yet to define or quantify the "value" of human life.you did solidify what I thought though on how you view human life - appreciate that, thank you
so if Trump gets abortion banned nationwide you'll say abortion isn't acceptable because legally its not acceptable - the law is your belief, right ?Of course I can, as abortion has legal guidelines and is argued in the courts. You just do not want me to use it because it destroys your own arguments and objections.
change the guideline and that changes what you believe in right ?I use established definitions, not how others want them to be defined.
Absolutely right; a human embryo is genetically, fully human. And when it has accomplished all of it's many complicated stages of growth and is born it will be a human being.?? It is fully human, the only thing left is growth to the next stage......
Universal moral law of man has never said "Do not kill an embryo". If you need to use the Catholic and Protestant evangelical catechisms and call embryos human beings, fine, but then you are substituting religion for US law and there is a Constitutional problem with that.human life... yes
It is not false that Catholic Catechism says women do not have a choice in the matter of pregnancy. The catechism bans contraceptives. It says women must be willing to accept Gods gift of children. It goes on later to condemn abortion and the women getting abortion. That doesn't sound like choice. All exegesis on women's mission and responsibilities in life make it abundantly clear that women do not have a choice. It's their job to produce childrenfalse
25% of all abortions are done for women who state that they are Catholic.15% of all abortion are done for women that state they are Protestant evangelical. Argue with Guttmacher not me. I'm just posting statistics and quoting dogma.????????????? what planet is this???
How can Trump ban abortion when it is now a "state matter?" No, the law is not a belief. Did you not pay attention to the part where I said I do not go be belief? Do you have anything to offer other than mere hypotheticals? Something relevant perhaps?so if Trump gets abortion banned nationwide you'll say abortion isn't acceptable because legally its not acceptable - the law is your belief, right ?
See previous statement. And I do not make up my own definitions.change the guideline and that changes what you believe in right ?
These are the kinds of questions designed to be so stupid that there really is no intelligent way to answer them, giving the person that posed them the false sense that they have won the argument when in reality most people simply don't want to waste time explaining the stupidity of the questions to you.So. . . kill them because they might have a shitty life? Don't those carried through to born face some of the same dangers?
.... at what point in development would you draw that line at eliminating human life ? 1 year? 3 years ? I mean .... gotta kill off all those poor kids right? just the right thing to do, isn't it ?
No one actually cares about statistics
How can Trump ban abortion when it is now a "state matter?" No, the law is not a belief. Did you not pay attention to the part where I said I do not go be belief? Do you have anything to offer other than mere hypotheticals? Something relevant perhaps?
See previous statement. And I do not make up my own definitions.
Kinda went right over you head, eh.These are the kinds of questions designed to be so stupid that there really is no intelligent way to answer them, giving the person that posed them the false sense that they have won the argument when in reality most people simply don't want to waste time explaining the stupidity of the questions to you.
Victory is yours
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What ifs is all you ever seem to have.I said what if
But I'm not sure why you think Trump could ban abortion. I thought you said abortion should be left up to the states? Most state laws allow abortion. So you got what you wanted. Yet you still complain.you don't want to follow the laws and rules unless they're what you want them to be - therefore you cannot use them as a base pillar
sorry
nor has it said "do not kill a senior citizen".................what is your point??Universal moral law of man has never said "Do not kill an embryo".
nor has it said "do not kill a senior citizen".................what is your point??
I know a lot of senior citizens in nursing homes that are totally out of society----unable to do ANYTHING on their own.....A senior citizen is "people", a person, part of society. The unborn...is not.
Senior care is big business in Healthcare. As well as a big drain on resources.I know a lot of senior citizens in nursing homes that are totally out of society----unable to do ANYTHING on their own.....
...and someday you will be part of that problemSenior care is big business in Healthcare. As well as a big drain on resources.
No, I won't. I have directives in place and made my wishes known. I refuse to live as little more than a drooling vegetable and being a burden....and someday you will be part of that problem
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