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Why can't Americans find Jesus?

America has been a majority Christian country for its entire existence and in that time it has done genocide, slavery, Jim Crow, concentration camps, and continues to engage in systemic racism, imperialism, white supremacy, and racial oppression.

If you and I agree on the definition of "Finding Jesus," it would certainly involve running away from the past, not moving towards it.
 
America has been a majority Christian country for its entire existence and in that time it has done genocide, slavery, Jim Crow, concentration camps, and continues to engage in systemic racism, imperialism, white supremacy, and racial oppression.
If you and I agree on the definition of "Finding Jesus," it would certainly involve running away from the past, not moving towards it.
The good old "America bad party"
 
Matthew, John and Peter all knew Jesus personally as they were part of the 12 apostles, and went on to write books and epistles in the New Testament. James was not one of the 12, but he was Jesus' brother, so I guess he must have seen him around the house growing up.

Could you give an example from the Gospel of Matthew were he talks about his personal interactions with Jesus?

It's not like first person pronouns hadn't been invented yet. YHWH didn't tell Moses to tell the children of Israel that "He Is That He Is" sent him. Jesus didn't say "He is the way, the truth and the life." The first person POV was definitely a thing by that point.

So if Matthew had intended to write a personal eyewitness account of his interactions with Jesus, why is the book of Matthew written entirely from the third person, as someone recounting things they had heard rather than things as they had personally experienced them?

Same with John. Why do we not hear from John, "So then, James and I were preparing the nets with Papa, when along comes Jesus and tells us to follow Him. Well, we looked at each other and we each said, 'ok.' We told pops good luck with the nets and went off to the call of adventure. It's a dangerous business, leaving your fishing boat. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you'll be swept off to."?

Paul claimed to have seen Jesus in a vision, not sure if that counts or not.

Actually, he didn't. He claimed to have heard Jesus talking to him over a heavenly PA system. He didn't see anything, and continued not to see anything for the next three days. Or so legend has it.
 
Could you give an example from the Gospel of Matthew were he talks about his personal interactions with Jesus?

It's not like first person pronouns hadn't been invented yet. YHWH didn't tell Moses to tell the children of Israel that "He Is That He Is" sent him. Jesus didn't say "He is the way, the truth and the life." The first person POV was definitely a thing by that point.

So if Matthew had intended to write a personal eyewitness account of his interactions with Jesus, why is the book of Matthew written entirely from the third person, as someone recounting things they had heard rather than things as they had personally experienced them?

Same with John. Why do we not hear from John, "So then, James and I were preparing the nets with Papa, when along comes Jesus and tells us to follow Him. Well, we looked at each other and we each said, 'ok.' We told pops good luck with the nets and went off to the call of adventure. It's a dangerous business, leaving your fishing boat. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you'll be swept off to."?
A fair point, they don't talk about their personal interactions with Jesus, at least not in the 1st person.

But they were his apostles and they all knew him personally. If they all sat down to write an incredibly detailed account of a fictional person, they did a pretty good job.

Actually, he didn't. He claimed to have heard Jesus talking to him over a heavenly PA system. He didn't see anything, and continued not to see anything for the next three days. Or so legend has it.
But it was still Jesus. Or maybe Paul had schizophrenia and heard voices. Or he just made it all up.
 
A fair point, they don't talk about their personal interactions with Jesus, at least not in the 1st person.

But they were his apostles and they all knew him personally. If they all sat down to write an incredibly detailed account of a fictional person, they did a pretty good job.

The general consensus among Bible scholars is that they did not write them. The gospels were written anonymously, and weren't credited to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John until a century later.


But it was still Jesus. Or maybe Paul had schizophrenia and heard voices. Or he just made it all up.

Your original point had been about accounts of "Jesus the man."

Paul's claim was to have heard the disembodied voice of "Jesus the Ascended Demigod" talking to him from up in heaven, after Jesus had already left earth.
 
Why can't Americans find Jesus? Why are we so bent on destroying each other based on race, national origin, political beliefs, gender, sexual orientation etc? Is it time for Americans to go back to Church again?

Because he rose from the dead and then f-ed off without a trace for 2000 years, leaving us to learn his supposed teachings from child rapists and people who help child rapists avoid prosecution?
 
Why can't Americans find Jesus?

They did, he was killed in a 2009 drone strike though.
Why are we so bent on destroying each other based on race, national origin, political beliefs, gender, sexual orientation etc? Is it time for Americans to go back to Church again?

Nah, the problem's capitalism. Church won't help, it's been co-opted by Capital since the 50's
 
Why can't Americans find Jesus? Why are we so bent on destroying each other based on race, national origin, political beliefs, gender, sexual orientation etc? Is it time for Americans to go back to Church again?
Covering up child abuse for several hundred years will have that effect.
 
Why can't Americans find Jesus? Why are we so bent on destroying each other based on race, national origin, political beliefs, gender, sexual orientation etc? Is it time for Americans to go back to Church again?
If they can't find Him, they aren't looking.
 
If they can't find Him, they aren't looking.

amen. God is VERY clear on this Nota, we must actually seek him AND find him....


Jeremiah 29:13 of the King James Version (KJV): "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."




0006_19.gif...God impresses us with our NEED for him, in a thousand ways. this Life is so full of disappointments, failed expectations, and our own depravity.

God comes along with an answer and Love, such as needed by this little boy. God takes him to his Real home shortly thereafter; this earth is NOT your home for any of us. we really are Pilgrims here in search of a City, whose builder and maker ..........IS GOD

have you found your New Home, your New City where God is? you can, reach for His Book and learn.

be blessed, God is still waiting for you to drop yur Trinkets and find his Eternal Life and Joy.

blessings and blessings. ❤️


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Maybe Jesus should dress like Waldo and then he would be found.

if he did, you still couldn't find him. not even with a 100 foot tall neon sign blinking all night.

you have to WANT to find him; and then ACT on it.

King James bibles not hard to find, but that is just step one.


blessings.

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1050_21.gif...another one on to Gold street, seems the kids beat the adults to this 100 to 1.

and yes i DO know that; adults lose their curiosity and abilities to think in many ways, they say they just know the answers. kids tend to LOOK for the answers.

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America has been a majority Christian country for its entire existence and in that time it has done genocide, slavery, Jim Crow, concentration camps, and continues to engage in systemic racism, imperialism, white supremacy, and racial oppression.

If you and I agree on the definition of "Finding Jesus," it would certainly involve running away from the past, not moving towards it.
The Blacks under slavery without Christianity likely wouldn't have made it to today. Same with Jim Crow, the Church was key to a change in society.

Racial issues are bad today because the media has done a good job at convincing the ghettos to do drugs and not do well in school. That it is cool and hip to be a gangster and they need government to bring them out poverty. That they don't need a father in the home and its okay to have multiple kids while on welfare and be a single parent.
 
Seeing as both are fictional characters, I have no desire to look for either.

and you know that how?

you said so right !

why didn't someone warn me at Judgement day is the cry heard everywhere. yeah i know.


0001_15.gif...Cartoon man doesn't need Jesus, so he says.......until he does

toooooooo late.


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The Blacks under slavery without Christianity likely wouldn't have made it to today. Same with Jim Crow, the Church was key to a change in society.

Racial issues are bad today because the media has done a good job at convincing the ghettos to do drugs and not do well in school. That it is cool and hip to be a gangster and they need government to bring them out poverty. That they don't need a father in the home and its okay to have multiple kids while on welfare and be a single parent.

these kids have no Father, number one problem according to Candace Owens


On the surface, Candace Owens seems to be the antithesis of everything we expect a Black American woman to be. Upon deeper inspection, you would find she holds the core values many Black American men and women revere: Family, love, hard work, and the passion to make our country better for future generations. So, why is Candace such a controversial and polarizing figure? Is it because she is Conservative, Black and loathes the current ethos of female rap and pop culture? Candace embodies the very things popular culture has overtly or covertly told Black Americans would be to our detriment if we open our minds to those ideals. However, Owens has shown there is success in charting your path. She lives boldly in the stance that all Black Americans are not a monolith and deserve the freedom to make our own political, social, and economic choices without being ostracized. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stepha...-of-black-conservatives-in-the-2024-election/
 
The Blacks under slavery without Christianity likely wouldn't have made it to today. Same with Jim Crow, the Church was key to a change in society.

Racial issues are bad today because the media has done a good job at convincing the ghettos to do drugs and not do well in school.
The christian religion was used to defend slavery.

Fuller argued that slavery, in principle, is not sinful. Undergirding his argument was his abiding conviction that the Bible is the inspired and authoritative Word of God. The Bible alone has the right to define sin. Once sin has been identified, it is humanity’s responsibility to repent. If “slavery be a sin,” Fuller wrote, “surely it is the immediate duty of masters to abolish it, whatever be the result.” Having established the supremacy of Scripture, Fuller proceeded to interpret its view of slavery. The gist of his argument went like this:


1. The Old Testament tolerates slavery. Fuller pointed to Leviticus 25:44: “You may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you.” God would never permit what he considered sinful.


2. The New Testament tolerates and regulates slavery. Jesus used the institution of slavery in his teaching, drawing a contrast between those in bondage and those free (John 8:35). Jesus didn’t repudiate slavery. Paul told slaves to obey their masters, and he told masters how to manage slaves (Eph. 6:5–11; Col. 3:22–4:1). From Jesus and Paul we find, according Fuller, implicit approval of slavery.


3. If Jesus or Paul had wanted to outlaw the institution of slavery, they would’ve done so immediately. Neither the Savior nor his apostle, Fuller insisted, would have caved to the pro-slavery culture if they counted it a sin.


4. The morality of slavery is no defense for its abuses. Fuller owned slaves himself, and he prided himself on the way he cared for them, counting himself among “the sincerest friends of the African race.”


For Fuller the matter was simple: If Old Testament saints owned slaves, and if the apostle Paul preached “the whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27) without explicitly prohibiting slavery, then no man can rightly call slavery, in principle, a sin. In short:


Slavery was everywhere a part of the social organization of the earth; and slaves and their masters were members together of the churches; and minute instructions are given to each as to their duties, without even an insinuation that it was the duty of masters to emancipate. Now I ask, could this possibly be so, if slavery were “a heinous sin”? No!


Before America entered a a Civil War to contest this interpretation, Wayland sought to change Fuller’s mind. The university president was a widely regarded Christian ethicist. Despite being close friends, Wayland rejected Fuller’s slavery hermeneutic.

The christian religion was and is still used after the US Civil War to defend racism in the form of the Klan.
 
and you know that how?

you said so right !

why didn't someone warn me at Judgement day is the cry heard everywhere. yeah i know.


View attachment 67538955...Cartoon man doesn't need Jesus, so he says.......until he does

toooooooo late.


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And you think so because of faith. Which in my books is an absurd reason to believe something to be true.
 
Matthew, John and Peter all knew Jesus personally as they were part of the 12 apostles, and went on to write books and epistles in the New Testament. James was not one of the 12, but he was Jesus' brother, so I guess he must have seen him around the house growing up.

Paul claimed to have seen Jesus in a vision, not sure if that counts or not.
According to this Christian website, they must have lived a long time if that's true, and waiting a long time to write about him.

 
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