Why Canada is Deteriorating

[sanman]

YoY GDP/capita growth 3.4%
HDI ranking #15
Highest quality of life ranking #1
Most educated countries ranking #2

Etc, etc.

We're fine.

Are you well off?

When you hear other Canadians complaining of the soaring cost of food, do you care?
Or do you just shut your ears and say "everything's fine!"

 

[sanman]

Trudeau is going down, and rightly so, but Canada is doing just fine! No doubt Poilievere will make sure to screw things up.

 

[Allan]

Are you well off?

When you hear other Canadians complaining of the soaring cost of food, do you care?
Or do you just shut your ears and say "everything's fine!"

Food inflation in Canada is moderating. In May YoY food inflation was 1.5%

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Are you well off?

When you hear other Canadians complaining of the soaring cost of food, do you care?
Or do you just shut your ears and say "everything's fine!"

Food prices in Canada are more expensive due to shipping costs and less so to labor costs.

Canada has a very spread out population, the distance between major cities ( excluding southern Ontario) is in hundreds of miles.

Fresh fruit and vegetables are imported from Mexico or California for instance.

Min wage across Canada is likely $15 or more

 

[Brusan]

Just because the sun is shining on your head, you don't notice those who are in the rain.

There are plenty of Canadians who don't feel as you do.

Given that he referenced links to relevent stats elated to why "we're doing fine" and you, well you're just doing what you always do . . ??

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Productivity is falling in Canada as we moved to a service type of economy rather than one that makes stuff.

Without automation at the Tim Hortons Productivity will be low. The only other potential high Productivity sector is resource extraction but with the large increase in population the gains in that industry get diluted on a per capita bases.

Australia has the same resource extraction industry, but did not have a similar increase in population

 

[sanman]

Food inflation in Canada is moderating. In May YoY food inflation was 1.5%

That's like saying that the water which has risen past my ears is now slowing its rise just above my head.

Inflation is cumulative.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

That's like saying that the water which has risen past my ears is now slowing its rise just above my head.

Inflation is cumulative.

Inflation is a measurement that is time dependent. The current inflation rate has been reduced to a more recent traditional levels.

If Canada were to enter deflation, the Canadian economy would collapse. ( mortgage defaults would explode).

 

[sanman]

Inflation is a measurement that is time dependent. The current inflation rate has been reduced to a more recent traditional levels.

If Canada were to enter deflation, the Canadian economy would collapse. ( mortgage defaults would explode).

Prices have risen faster than wages, making things less affordable.

Trudeau's govt is intent on importing more people to use as slave labor.

 

[Allan]

Prices have risen faster than wages, making things less affordable.

Trudeau's govt is intent on importing more people to use as slave labor.

Wow you post some dumb shit. Turn youtube off and go read something.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Prices have risen faster than wages, making things less affordable.

Trudeau's govt is intent on importing more people to use as slave labor.

Not as slave labor as in wages do apply ( not to say abuses of the TFW program don't occur)

I do expect foreign workers are being brought in to contribute to Canada's version of SS with little chance they will ever collect.

Canada does need more technical skills, robotics and automation as that is severely lacking. Heck the company I work for hired a recent Chinese immigrant to be our automation service tech as very few Canadians have those skills. Pretty darn good at his job as well

 

[zincwarrior]

Could be a consequence of global warming melting the country's year-round snow cover and, for the first time, Canadians getting a good look at just how ugly the place is.

Tell me you have never been to Canada without telling me you have never been to Canada...

 

[Grand Mal]

Prices have risen faster than wages, making things less affordable.

Trudeau's govt is intent on importing more people to use as slave labor.

Low-functioning American rightists denigrate Canada in the same terms that they denigrate education, and for the same reason- if something is unavailable to you for whatever reason it helps to pretend that it's worthless anyway.

 

[notquiteright]

Prices have risen faster than wages, making things less affordable.

Trudeau's govt is intent on importing more people to use as slave labor.

It's interesting to see the Rabid Right/MAGA ranters boast about America after a series of whines claiming 'Merica is a third world country. The flip flop is amazing. Seems America isn't so bad after all....

All that you claim Trudeau is importing 'slave labor', prices rising faster than wages, things are less affordable you make the same claims about what's happening here in the USofA and yet our economy is doing fairly well according to the MAGA posts.....
Seems a bit odd and a lot childish...

 

[Grand Mal]

Not as slave labor as in wages do apply ( not to say abuses of the TFW program don't occur)

I do expect foreign workers are being brought in to contribute to Canada's version of SS with little chance they will ever collect.

Canada does need more technical skills, robotics and automation as that is severely lacking. Heck the company I work for hired a recent Chinese immigrant to be our automation service tech as very few Canadians have those skills. Pretty darn good at his job as well

It's a great time to be young. All us old baby-boomers retiring means lots of good job openings. Trade unions advertising for apprentices on TV, companies advertising for employees on TV, every business on town with help-wanted signs...

 

[Brusan]

It's a great time to be young. All us old baby-boomers retiring means lots of good job openings. Trade unions advertising for apprentices on TV, companies advertising for employees on TV, every business on town with help-wanted signs...

Every generation has it's Wendy whiners. Throw in the agenda minded nonsense we see prevalent today with proliferation of internet anonymity and you have the perfect storm of malcontent underachievers all clamouring for their instantaneous gratification of having raged at the moon.

Living here in small town SW Ontario in a quiet neighbourhood of bungalows and side-splits built in the mid 70's with all my peer group having died off or moved into senior housing, I'm now surrounded by a wonderful group of young families of small business owners and self employed tradesman all doing fine. Any complaining is confined to what their young progeny have most recently gotten up to causing them minor grief with little to no political "lemming squawking" whatsoever.
Anyone using the term "rich" to describe my neighbourhood would be correct only in the sense they are resplendent with all those characteristics of families content with their lives being lived without impotent mewling.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

It's a great time to be young. All us old baby-boomers retiring means lots of good job openings. Trade unions advertising for apprentices on TV, companies advertising for employees on TV, every business on town with help-wanted signs...

The trades certainly is a growth job sector for young Canadians.

The construction industry is becoming heavily dependent on East Indian workers from what I have seen.

I had the same contractor develop my last two basements, well done at reasonable prices as well.

 

[Grand Mal]

The trades certainly is a growth job sector for young Canadians.

The construction industry is becoming heavily dependent on East Indian workers from what I have seen.

I had the same contractor develop my last two basements, well done at reasonable prices as well.

Heavy construction is booming too. My old union, Ironworkers Local 97, has been advertising for apprentices for years, and the IBEW and Labourers as well.
Hell, I'll be 70 next month and I was asked recently, in a social setting, if I wanted to drive ore truck in the local quarry. It was half tongue-in-cheek, but only half, when I said my first years out of high-school had been in mines.

 

[Callen]

You cannot get a trades person here at the lake. They are all ridiculously busy with renos and new builds. We wanted to get some kitchen renovations done, Started looking in May and we have landed a contractor who will be available next April. he is very good so that plays in but still it's crazy!

 

[Grand Mal]

You cannot get a trades person here at the lake. They are all ridiculously busy with renos and new builds. We wanted to get some kitchen renovations done, Started looking in May and we have landed a contractor who will be available next April. he is very good so that plays in but still it's crazy!

I just checked- the wage for a journeyman Ironworker in my old local is $58.55/hr., plus a really impressive benefit package.

 

[notquiteright]

I just checked- the wage for a journeyman Ironworker in my old local is $58.55/hr., plus a really impressive benefit package.

Union???? You socialists!!!! We 'Mericans are proud to work for less with less benefits to be free of nasty ol' Unions!!!!!
We trust the invisible Corporate Hand driving our economic bus as no CEO/CFO would drive over the cliff for pure short-term self-interest and bail in a specially designed golden parachute with million dollar 'bonus' (making it a capital gains instead of income tax).....
No sir, our job creators have the wage earner near and dear to their hearts unlike you nasty ol commie Unionists.... (intense sarcasm)...

 

[Grand Mal]

Union???? You socialists!!!! We 'Mericans are proud to work for less with less benefits to be free of nasty ol' Unions!!!!!
We trust the invisible Corporate Hand driving our economic bus as no CEO/CFO would drive over the cliff for pure short-term self-interest and bail in a specially designed golden parachute with million dollar 'bonus' (making it a capital gains instead of income tax).....
No sir, our job creators have the wage earner near and dear to their hearts unlike you nasty ol commie Unionists.... (intense sarcasm)...

As an apprentice I was indentured to the union local. Our contractors loved it- they could call the dispatcher and next morning a welder, three Ironworkers and an apprentice would show up, all well-trained and qualified tradesmen. They could lay-off in any order and they could name-request. Jobs done, if the company doesn't have another one on the go I'd sign back into the hall and wait for the next call. The local took care of pensions and benefits.

 

[Brusan]

As an apprentice I was indentured to the union local. Our contractors loved it- they could call the dispatcher and next morning a welder, three Ironworkers and an apprentice would show up, all well-trained and qualified tradesmen. They could lay-off in any order and they could name-request. Jobs done, if the company doesn't have another one on the go I'd sign back into the hall and wait for the next call. The local took care of pensions and benefits.

That system worked very well for decades of any number of skilled trades. We frequently used millwrights and electricians from those Union providers. This topic is just one more area of indoctrination of younger people by corporate entities that has served only to reduce them to the lowest common denominator of wage earners
Thankfully, I'm noticing a pendulum swing back to actively supporting the apprenticeship programs in a variety of trades that I suspect is born from finding out they cannot depend on the UK or Eastern European countries to provide a ready supply of 20 - 30,000 hour trained craftsmen.

I attended a seminar in 1978 with rep's from George Brown and Conestoga Colleges along with HR people from local industries that actively discussed the lack of available skilled trades with the then labor minister of Ontario - Drew Elgie; bemoaning the fact that industries themselves were reluctant to indenture apprentices unless they were fully refunded by Gov't stipends and this even while they were from day one of their apprenticeship being productive in some measure. He, along with those of us in attendance representing the skilled trades, leaned heavily on berating those industries for getting what they deserved: a critical shortage of people that could not be replaced by snapping their fingers.

 

[Grand Mal]

That system worked very well for decades of any number of skilled trades. We frequently used millwrights and electricians from those Union providers. This topic is just one more area of indoctrination of younger people by corporate entities that has served only to reduce them to the lowest common denominator of wage earners
Thankfully, I'm noticing a pendulum swing back to actively supporting the apprenticeship programs in a variety of trades that I suspect is born from finding out they cannot depend on the UK or Eastern European countries to provide a ready supply of 20 - 30,000 hour trained craftsmen.

I attended a seminar in 1978 with rep's from George Brown and Conestoga Colleges along with HR people from local industries that actively discussed the lack of available skilled trades with the then labor minister of Ontario - Drew Elgie; bemoaning the fact that industries themselves were reluctant to indenture apprentices unless they were fully refunded by Gov't stipends and this even while they were from day one of their apprenticeship being productive in some measure. He, along with those of us in attendance representing the skilled trades, leaned heavily on berating those industries for getting what they deserved: a critical shortage of people that could not be replaced by snapping their fingers.

Another benefit of apprentices indentured to construction industry local unions is the variety of work experience they acquire. Being indentured to a company means you only get experience doing what that company does. By the time I became a journeyman I had experience doing everything an Ironworker does.
Including rebar. I was structural but our rules said every structural apprentice had to do 3 months on rods and I did 3 months to the day.

 

[NatMorton]

Tell me you have never been to Canada without telling me you have never been to Canada...

I've been to Canada many times.

Have you ever been to Facetious?