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Why can’t Trump make deals? No one trusts him anymore

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Why can’t Trump make deals? No one trusts him anymore

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1/18/19
Sen. Mitch McConnell was jolted with a fresh reminder of President Trump’s capriciousness last month: The majority leader persuaded Republican colleagues to take a politically difficult vote to temporarily fund the government, but not a border wall, only to see Trump withdraw support — initiating the longest shutdown in history. House Republicans learned the same lesson early in Trump’s presidency when he rallied them to repeal Obamacare, then described their effort as “mean.” As Trump reaches the halfway mark of his term on Sunday, he has left a trail of negotiating partners from both chambers of Congress, both political parties and countries around the world feeling double-crossed and even lied to. The result is that the president who campaigned as the world’s best deal-maker, vowing that he alone could fix Washington’s dysfunction, has been stymied as he looks for achievements before facing the voters again. Two years in, the man who built a political reputation as a guy who tells it like it is has lost the essential ingredients to closing deals: credibility and trust. “He just undermined the trust and confidence that some Republican members did want to have in him,” said Carlos Curbelo, a Florida Republican who lost his House seat in November, in part because of Trump’s unpopularity. “What kind of credibility do you have when the president says he supports a bill and then says he doesn’t like it anymore?” one of the former officials asked.

McConnell, having been burned, has largely left the shutdown fight to Trump. House Republicans, having lost their majority in large part because of voters’ own dismay with Trump, are now on the sidelines as he must battle House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. And Democrats, following her lead, are emboldened given their experience with the president’s unreliability as a negotiating partner. The president has broken records for false statements, according to nonpartisan fact checkers. An increasing majority of voters — by 61% to 34% in one recent poll — say he is not honest. He has surrounded himself with a collection of temporary officials, family members and inexperienced advisors with little sway on Capitol Hill. In Congress, scars from the healthcare debacle have lingered, undermining Trump’s influence. Lawmakers are often skeptical when Republican leaders and White House aides lobby them for his bills, according to former aides and lawmakers, demanding to know where the president really stands. Often, the Trump allies can’t answer unequivocally.

The great dealmaker indeed.

Donald Trump is between a rock and a hard place ..... the steadfast Robert Mueller Russia-collusion investigation and the paralyzing government shutdown Trump said he would proudly own.
 

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It's like everything the left predicted would happen if Donald Trump was elected president is happening. Who would have guessed...
 

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Why can’t Trump make deals? No one trusts him anymore

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The great dealmaker indeed.

Donald Trump is between a rock and a hard place ..... the steadfast Robert Mueller Russia-collusion investigation and the paralyzing government shutdown Trump said he would proudly own.

This is the problem with a president that LIES constantly even to his own administration. They (and nobody else) can actually trust him. He will say one thing and then a couple of hours later say something completely different. He's unreliable, untrustworthy, immoral, incompetent and a habitual liar. I wouldn't blame ANYBODY for not making a deal with him without his signature on it right away.
 

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The great dealmaker indeed.

Donald Trump is between a rock and a hard place ..... the steadfast Robert Mueller Russia-collusion investigation and the paralyzing government shutdown Trump said he would proudly own.

shrug...

Takes two to tango.

Trump has been in Washington almost the whole shutdown open to negotiating. Where has Nancy been? Hawaii, trying to skate out to various countries...etc. Oh...and she flat out said "No".
 

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shrug...

Takes two to tango.

Trump has been in Washington almost the whole shutdown open to negotiating. Where has Nancy been? Hawaii, trying to skate out to various countries...etc. Oh...and she flat out said "No".

As well she should. Never negotiate with hostage takers. Reopen the government, then negotiate.
 

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This is the problem with a president that LIES constantly even to his own administration....
It's not about the lies, it's about his inability to keep his word or stay focused for more than 30 seconds.

The article talks about the numerous times that he screwed Congressional Republicans. E.g. they'd work for weeks to hammer out a deal, then at the last minute Trump would piss all over it because Anne Coulter was on Fox News and said she didn't like it.
 

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As well she should. Never negotiate with hostage takers. Reopen the government, then negotiate.

If you agree that she should not negotiate, then don't complain if nobody makes a deal.

You can't have it both ways.

btw, the Democrats have a record of saying, "Give us what we want first and then we'll give you what you want." It's a terrible record. They renege every time. So, "Reopen the government, then negotiate." won't fly.
 

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It's like everything the left predicted would happen if Donald Trump was elected president is happening. Who would have guessed...

Only those who bothered to learn anything about the preceding 60 years of his life.
 

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As well she should. Never negotiate with hostage takers. Reopen the government, then negotiate.
Fund the wall and you can have your precious government reopened

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shrug...

Takes two to tango.

Trump has been in Washington almost the whole shutdown open to negotiating. Where has Nancy been? Hawaii, trying to skate out to various countries...etc. Oh...and she flat out said "No".

You've never raised children, have you.

The first rule of parenting is that you never give in to a five year old throwing a temper tantrum, you ignore it and carry on.

Although comparing Trump to a five year old might be a bit of insult to five year old's, the ones I know are better behaved than Trump.
 

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If you agree that she should not negotiate, then don't complain if nobody makes a deal.

You can't have it both ways.

btw, the Democrats have a record of saying, "Give us what we want first and then we'll give you what you want." It's a terrible record. They renege every time. So, "Reopen the government, then negotiate." won't fly.

Could it be that your boy was always PATHETIC AND WEAK and an EPICALLY BAD NEGOTIATOR, oh yeah, it is like that, ain't it?:lamo

Oh well, you're not getting a wall, even if he wasn't a washout, deal with it.:lamo
 

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This is the problem with a president that LIES constantly even to his own administration. They (and nobody else) can actually trust him. He will say one thing and then a couple of hours later say something completely different. He's unreliable, untrustworthy, immoral, incompetent and a habitual liar. I wouldn't blame ANYBODY for not making a deal with him without his signature on it right away.

Trump's no deal maker, never has been. We've seen him exhaust his deal making "knowledge", and in it's entirety it consists of two things:

1. Getting hundreds of millions from daddy so it doesn't matter if he's a fool who bankrupts casinos.

2. Like any spoiled child, threatening to throw his toys from the pram if he doesn't get his way.
 

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Trump has been in Washington almost the whole shutdown open to negotiating.
BS. Trump is holding government workers hostage to get what he wants. That is not negotiating.

If he actually gave a damn about American’s he wouldn’t be needlessly making so many suffer to get his f’n wall.
 

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The great dealmaker indeed.

Donald Trump is between a rock and a hard place ..... the steadfast Robert Mueller Russia-collusion investigation and the paralyzing government shutdown Trump said he would proudly own.
He's been President for less than two years - deals, particularly on the international level take years. China's talking about buying a trillion dollars more of our products in the next six years and working toward eliminating the trade deficit by 2024. North Korea is talking about a second summit. Sound like the great deal maker is still working.
 

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Fund the wall and you can have your precious government reopened

Dang, you nicely summed up the five year old's temper tantrum.

And isn't it pathetic, even for a five year old?
 

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The great dealmaker indeed.

Donald Trump is between a rock and a hard place ..... the steadfast Robert Mueller Russia-collusion investigation and the paralyzing government shutdown Trump said he would proudly own.



World leaders would disagree...as Trump has NATO paying its fair share, China ready to enter into EVEN TRADE with US, NOKO back for more negotiations ( as sanctions remain in place, despite ZERO MISSILE TESTS), a NEW, MORE BENEFICIAL TRADE DEAL WITH CANADA/MEXICO, etc.

The Illegal-o-crats are who do not understand how to make a deal....but now,, at least PELOSI WILL BE STUCK HERE TO THINK ABOUT IT, instead of enjoying her hoped-fr, taxpayer-funded PR JUNKET....
 

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BS. Trump is holding government workers hostage to get what he wants. That is not negotiating.

If he actually gave a damn about American’s he wouldn’t be needlessly making so many suffer to get his f’n wall.

shrug...

He's made offers. Each time the answer he's given is no.

It's not him holding anyone hostage.
 

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He's been President for less than two years - deals, particularly on the international level take years. China's talking about buying a trillion dollars more of our products in the next six years and working toward eliminating the trade deficit by 2024. North Korea is talking about a second summit. Sound like the great deal maker is still working.

Talks, let us know when the talks accomplish something. You can tell me anything, show me.
 

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shrug...

He's made offers. Each time the answer he's given is no.

It's not him holding anyone hostage.

Saying I want five billion for my wall and if not I'm not signing anything is not an offer.
 

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BS. Trump is holding government workers hostage to get what he wants. That is not negotiating.
Bass ackwords - You can't make deals with ghosts and dems refuse to appear and negotiate.

RateBulgarian said:
If he actually gave a damn about American’s he wouldn’t be needlessly making so many suffer to get his f’n wall.
IF your beloved Dems cared they'd make an effort to negotiate rather than try to escape the country on a junket at the people's expense.
 

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You've never raised children, have you.

The first rule of parenting is that you never give in to a five year old throwing a temper tantrum, you ignore it and carry on.

Although comparing Trump to a five year old might be a bit of insult to five year old's, the ones I know are better behaved than Trump.


Which is why Trump isn't giving in to Pelosi/Schumer's bull****...he EVEN GROUNDED PELOSI.... :lamo
 

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Talks, let us know when the talks accomplish something. You can tell me anything, show me.
You're not paying attention. I just did.
 

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I trust Trump, so the claim that no one trusts him is false.
 

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World leaders would disagree...as Trump has NATO paying its fair share, China ready to enter into EVEN TRADE with US, NOKO back for more negotiations ( as sanctions remain in place, despite ZERO MISSILE TESTS), a NEW, MORE BENEFICIAL TRADE DEAL WITH CANADA/MEXICO, etc.

The Illegal-o-crats are who do not understand how to make a deal....but now,, at least PELOSI WILL BE STUCK HERE TO THINK ABOUT IT, instead of enjoying her hoped-fr, taxpayer-funded PR JUNKET....
He is gonna get a deal out of the Democrats too, despite their best efforts not to give him one.

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