Why Attack the 2nd Amendment?

[blackjack50]

I provided a real answer. I cannot force you to see it...let alone read it.

I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters." - Frank Lloyd Wright ... well keyboards nowadays.

 

[TurtleDude]

forgive me if I find your listing of the steps necessary to get a handgun permit in D.C. to be highly biased and a little dishonest.

however, I support the following steps to get a handgun permit...ANYWHERE:

1. mail application with photos & check to local PD.
2. get fingerprinted (just to make sure you aren't wanted)
3. await background check and application process.
4. when all checks out, you get your permit and go buy gun.
5. all handguns are registered in a national database. no need for shotguns & rifles.

....as to a psych. eval., I would be willing to wave that, but ONLY if the above process applied to the entire country.

the government does not have the proper authority to register handguns. Anyone who would register their handgun is a fool. any politician who wants that is an enemy of the constitution and should be treated as as such

 

[Thunder]

the government does not have the proper authority to register handguns. Anyone who would register their handgun is a fool. any politician who wants that is an enemy of the constitution and should be treated as as such

oh, spare us the hyperbolic pyschobable

 

[blackjack50]

oh, spare us the hyperbolic pyschobable

We could say the same thing for handgun registry as there is no evidence to support that it works. Of course history has shown that gun registry is later gun revocation. Turtle 1 thunder 0

 

[Thunder]

We could say the same thing for handgun registry as there is no evidence to support that it works....

it works great in NYC.

most gun crimes in NYC are NOT committed with legally owned guns, or guns sold in NYC or NYS.

 

[TurtleDude]

oh, spare us the hyperbolic pyschobable

we should take a poll on this thread as to which poster's submissions are more closely identified as psychobabble


registration has only one purpose-to facilitate the destruction of the gun rights of those who register their weapons

 

[TurtleDude]

it works great in NYC.

most gun crimes in NYC are NOT committed with legally owned guns, or guns sold in NYC or NYS.

In other words, you have laws that hassle honest people

most crimes are committed by criminals. criminals are not allowed to legally own guns

even if you don't have a criminal record, if you possess a gun with INTENT to use it in a crime that is a felony

 

[Thunder]

In other words, you have laws that hassle honest people...

I have at least two co-workers with a handgun license. they never talk about it being a hassle.

 

[TurtleDude]

I have at least two co-workers with a handgun license. they never talk about it being a hassle.

then how come there are lawyers in NYC who limit their practice to helping people get carry permits. Here in Ohio I have never heard of such a specialty?

 

[Thunder]

then how come there are lawyers in NYC who limit their practice to helping people get carry permits. Here in Ohio I have never heard of such a specialty?

I don't know. But the fact is my office has 12 people...and two of them have handgun permits.

that doesn't count the other 300 peeps in the building.

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't know. But the fact is my office has 12 people...and two of them have handgun permits.

that doesn't count the other 300 peeps in the building.

the fact is you constantly support the NYC gun laws which are unreasonable restrictions on the rights of citizens

no state that has shall issue laws has demonstrated any problems with ccw holders. so tell us Thunder, why does NYC have lawyers specializing in getting people carry permits while here in Ohio (and 42 other states) such a legal speciality is completely unknown?

 

[LaMidRighter]

the fact is you constantly support the NYC gun laws which are unreasonable restrictions on the rights of citizens

no state that has shall issue laws has demonstrated any problems with ccw holders. so tell us Thunder, why does NYC have lawyers specializing in getting people carry permits while here in Ohio (and 42 other states) such a legal speciality is completely unknown?

What is even funnier is his sample size in use for the purpose of this argument. 2 People in a city of 10 million. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[TurtleDude]

What is even funnier is his sample size in use for the purpose of this argument. 2 People in a city of 10 million. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

His arguments are impervious to facts

the evasion on the confiscation of lawfully owned and then registered weapons was a classic

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I have at least two co-workers with a handgun license. they never talk about it being a hassle.

I don't know. But the fact is my office has 12 people...and two of them have handgun permits.

that doesn't count the other 300 peeps in the building.

It probably isn't much of a hassle for those who have the right “connections”, such as government employees.

This is, in fact, a perfect example of the sort of corruption that Timothy Sullivan intended to uphold with the act that bears his name.

Do you seriously intend to claim that the experience of your government colleagues in obtaining gun permits is in any way representative of the experience of the “little people” who do not have the same sort of connections that you and your colleagues have?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

What is even funnier is his sample size in use for the purpose of this argument. 2 People in a city of 10 million. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Two government employees, with connections and privileges that the vast majority of the city's residents do not have.

 

[Thunder]

It probably isn't much of a hassle for those who have the right “connections”, such as government employees.

This is, in fact, a perfect example of the sort of corruption that Timothy Sullivan intended to uphold with the act that bears his name.

Do you seriously intend to claim that the experience of your government colleagues in obtaining gun permits is in any way representative of the experience of the “little people” who do not have the same sort of connections that you and your colleagues have?

we don't have any special government connections, especially with the NYPD.
...though I do have a cousin who is a Captain in the NYPD Intelligence Division.

 

[Thunder]

Two government employees, with connections and privileges that the vast majority of the city's residents do not have.

one of my co-workers has been arrested like 10 times for fighting, with no convictions.

he has at least two handguns, registered in NYC.

 

[theangryamerican]

Where are the answers to THESE questions, Thunder?








You've not answered, but just done your typical duck and weave to cover the fact that while you pretend to be quite knowledgable on this topic, you really have nothing to bring to the table.

Oh, and there's still this question too:

Good thing I'm not holding my breath...

 

[Thunder]

Good thing I'm not holding my breath...

that's a shame.

 

[theangryamerican]

that's a shame.

Funny, that doesn't look like an answer to any of the questions I asked.

How uncharacteristic of you to deflect an argument that you're not sure how to rebut with banal retorts… :roll:


Any other lackluster one-liners you'd like to throw my way instead of trying to substantiate your argument?:coffeepap

 

[Thunder]

Funny, that doesn't look like an answer to any of the questions I asked.

How uncharacteristic of you to deflect an argument that you're not sure how to rebut with banal retorts… :roll:...

with all due respect, I've become bored with this subject.

 

[blackjack50]

it works great in NYC.

most gun crimes in NYC are NOT committed with legally owned guns, or guns sold in NYC or NYS.

That isn't proof. Most gun crimes are committed with illegal firearms regardles of silly laws that are in place. Legally owned guns are owned by law abiding citizens.

Did you even think before you wrote that? Not to mention you just added another point to the pro-gun/anti-gun control crowd.

me 2- thunder 0.

 

[Thunder]

...me 2- thunder 0.

with all due respect, I've become bored with this subject.

yep, and here is proof why.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

It probably isn't much of a hassle for those who have the right “connections”, such as government employees.

This is, in fact, a perfect example of the sort of corruption that Timothy Sullivan intended to uphold with the act that bears his name.

Do you seriously intend to claim that the experience of your government colleagues in obtaining gun permits is in any way representative of the experience of the “little people” who do not have the same sort of connections that you and your colleagues have?

one of my co-workers has been arrested like 10 times for fighting, with no convictions.

he has at least two handguns, registered in NYC.

I think you've just proven my claim. Or are you going to claim that an ordinary NYC resident, who has no special connections such as a government employee, and who has the same sort of arrest record that you describe, would be allowed to register two handguns as easily as your colleague was? This appears to be a prime example of Sullivanesque elitism and corruption.

In fact, it sounds to me like your colleague might be a good example of the sort of person you claim to want to be prevented from having a gun—someone with an established history of violent behavior. It's unclear what you think you are accomplishing by citing him as an example in defense of NYC's corrupt gun laws.

 

[Thunder]

I think you've just proven my claim. Or are you going to claim that an ordinary NYC resident, who has no special connections such as a government employee, and who has the same sort of arrest record that you describe, would be allowed to register two handguns as easily as your colleague was? This appears to be a prime example of Sullivanesque elitism and corruption.

In fact, it sounds to me like your colleague might be a good example of the sort of person you claim to want to be prevented from having a gun—someone with an established history of violent behavior. It's unclear what you think you are accomplishing by citing him as an example in defense of NYC's corrupt gun laws.

having an arrest record...with no convictions, should not and does not effect one's handgun application in NYC.

oh, and my other co-worker got his handguns long before he became a city employee.