This is a trend that I have noticed lately (on DebatePolitics and outside of it). Many individuals label themselves as 'libertarian' and yet support wars of aggression/choice such as Iraq War and supplying militant rebels (many of them who hate the US) with publicly-funded arms. Yes, libertarians are a diverse lot along with other ideologies. And true, someone does not have to be a pacifist to be a libertarian. But I cannot stress enough how anti-libertarian wars of choice really are. With each war the State grows exponentially (I think its 25%). Our debt continues to grow thanks to the wars, as well. Furthermore, government intrusion on the lives of the citizenry becomes more rampant.
For a libertarian to support wars of choice is an oxymoron and counterproductive to the cause. End rant.
Not to support libertarians(cuz that ain't gunna happen), but...supporting a war is a far different thing than being pro-war. Most people realize that sometimes war is the best way to bring about a desired result.
World liberty is just as important as US liberty.
In my rant I went into that a bit. By 'pro-war' I mean those who support wars of choice (ie Iraq War). I do think one could be for a defensive war and still be libertarian (or whatever ideology that normally opposes war).
World liberty is just as important as US liberty.
So growing the State promotes liberty?
Not to me it isn't. Just pointing that out. I value my country more than any other country.
I was not under the impression that everyone agrees with me, there are many nationalists.
Which Iraq war?
Both where optional.
But I think the first was an appropriate reaction to the events happening at the time.
Libertarians, just like normal people(see what I did there? :lol,
should be able to judge wars on their merits, and arrive at their own conclusions. Just because they are nutty libertarians does not mean we should not hold them to any different standard than regular people.
World liberty is just as important as US liberty.
Every war is a war of choice.In my rant I went into that a bit. By 'pro-war' I mean those who support wars of choice (ie Iraq War). I do think one could be for a defensive war and still be libertarian (or whatever ideology that normally opposes war).
There is no state growth in the liberation of the oppressed.
Nonsense! Do you really think we give a hoot how Saudi Arabia or China treats their citizens as long as they leave us alone and trade "nicely"?
There has been exponential US State growth since 9/11 mainly due to War on Terror.
U.S. Security Spending Since 9/11 - Analysis
A hidden world, growing beyond control | washingtonpost.com
Every war is a war of choice.
Do you not understand the phrase "global perspective"?
First you have to define "pro-war". If you define it too broadly, it won't contradict libertarianism. If you define it too narrowly, it won't fit anyone who I've ever met. I really don't think there's any space between those two things.This is a trend that I have noticed lately (on DebatePolitics and outside of it). Many individuals label themselves as 'libertarian' and yet support wars of aggression/choice such as Iraq War and supplying militant rebels (many of them who hate the US) with publicly-funded arms. Yes, libertarians are a diverse lot along with other ideologies. And true, someone does not have to be a pacifist to be a libertarian. But I cannot stress enough how anti-libertarian wars of choice really are. With each war the State grows exponentially (I think its 25%). Our debt continues to grow thanks to the wars, as well. Furthermore, government intrusion on the lives of the citizenry becomes more rampant.
For a libertarian to support wars of choice is an oxymoron and counterproductive to the cause. End rant.
Some of us do.
Valuing the lives and wellbeing of those closest to you over those less close in not really nationalism.
Aside from WW II/Pearl Harbor, you've just described every war the US was ever involved in.You know what I mean. If we are attacked by another nation then we are forced to go to war. We were not attacked by Saddam Hussein therefore, war of choice (or aggression, whatever you want to call it).
There are degrees of libertarianism. I wanna cut the defense budget in half, while others wanna cut it by ~90%.
Some of us do.
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