Why Are Republicans So Afraid of Voters?

[NatMorton]

That's so funny. Someone mentioned the True Scotsman fallacy in another thread just this morning, and here you are citing a Tweet that employs it.

Sorry to break this to you, but filing a lawsuit is not cheating. It's playing by the legal rules.

 

[BlueTex]

That's so funny. Someone mentioned the True Scotsman fallacy in another thread just this morning, and here you are citing a Tweet that employs it.

Sorry to break this to you, but filing a lawsuit is not cheating. It's playing by the legal rules.

 

[Jay59]

You did not know who the co-founder of The Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority and ALEC was? He's been the North Star for radical conservative thought for almost forty years.

The CSFC, founded by Weyrich, "became active in eastern European politics after the Cold War. Figuring prominently in this effort was Weyrich's right-hand man, Laszlo Pasztor, a former leader of the pro-Nazi Arrow Cross Party in Hungary, which had collaborated with Hitler's Reich. After serving two years in prison for his Arrow Cross activities, Pasztor found his way to the United States, where he was instrumental in establishing the ethnic-outreach arm of the Republican national Committee. "We are different from previous generations of conservatives... We are no longer working to preserve the status quo. We are radicals, working to overturn the present power structure of this country." (1984)

This far isn't bad at all. Mostly facts and not editorial.

Every single hardcore Trump supporter in this forum echoes the thoughts and principles of this man on an almost rote emetic level, that is to say, they regurgitate his best known tropes almost as a reflex.

Then you lose it. This sentence is a complete disconnect from the previous paragraphs, yet you assume an obvious link.

Running around labeling everyone as a communist was started by the Birchers but Weyrich, in true projection fashion, also began calling everyone else radical leftists and marxists, too. Because that's what radical conservatives do, they call everybody else radicals. And you're saying that you've never heard of the guy? Wow.

He's a relatively obscure wingnut. There is no reason anyone should have heard of him unless they are historians or trying to fabricate a narrative where none exists.

Name for me three uniquely republican policies that poll with a majority of Americans.

Define unique. Both sides favor Mom, apple pie and baseball. They have radically different ways of pursuing those goals.

Still, here' s a try. Most Americans favor

1. Enforcing immigration law
2. Fracking
3. America First foreign policy

 

[NatMorton]

Name for me three uniquely republican policies that poll with a majority of Americans.

Opposition to late-term abortions. That the 2nd amendment secures a right to bear arms. Voter IDs.

But you question isn't really to the point. "In the majority" does not equate to "in the mainstream." Both sides on an issue that were split, say, 60/40 would both be in the mainstream.

 

[MTAtech]

Opinion | Why Are Republicans So Afraid of Voters?

There is no “both sides do it” when it comes to intentionally keeping Americans away from the polls.

www.nytimes.com

The GOP can no longer win elections without cheating and tilting the playing field. Another tactic they will use this election is "armed poll watchers" whose underlying function is to intimidate black voters and senior citizens.

Why? Trump said why himself -- "Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was easier to vote"

 

[NatMorton]

Still not cheating, sport.

 

[bomberfox]

Like someone else said, just wait until Texas flips. You will see Republicans all across the country screaming for a change.

They are already trying to throw out several ballots in Texas.

 

[bomberfox]

That's so funny. Someone mentioned the True Scotsman fallacy in another thread just this morning, and here you are citing a Tweet that employs it.

Sorry to break this to you, but filing a lawsuit is not cheating. It's playing by the legal rules.

Potato potahto.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

He's a relatively obscure wingnut.

Sorry but you can't ascribe terms like that to someone who literally co-founded the largest and most influential conservative think tanks in history.

 

[NatMorton]

Potato potahto.

Potato - legal right.

 

[bomberfox]

Potato - legal right.

In which republicans were trying to infringe on.

 

[NatMorton]

In which republicans were trying to infringe on.

Not if the right was exercised illegally. Trying to establish that in a court of law, whether successful or not, is not cheating, no matter how cute we get with the word play.

 

[bomberfox]

Not if the right was exercised illegally. Trying to establish that in a court of law, whether successful or not, is not cheating, no matter how cute we get with the word play.

The entire purpose of this lawsuit was to throw out votes just like every other voter suppression tactic republicans try. Not buying this quibbling over the purpose of the lawsuit.

 

[Cork]

The entire purpose of this lawsuit was to throw out votes just like every other voter suppression tactic republicans try. Not buying this quibbling over the purpose of the lawsuit.

Just like gerrymandering... Its legal but how in the world is that legal. That's actually the most ridiculous thing I've seen actually when I got into politics.

 

[bomberfox]

Just like gerrymandering... Its legal but how in the world is that legal. That's actually the most ridiculous thing I've seen actually when I got into politics.

Wont get any argument from me on that case.

 

[NatMorton]

The entire purpose of this lawsuit was to throw out votes just like every other voter suppression tactic republicans try. Not buying this quibbling over the purpose of the lawsuit.

Of course the purpose of the lawsuit was to get votes tossed out. The issue we're discussing at this point is whether the lawsuit represents "cheating." It does not.

 

[bomberfox]

Of course the purpose of the lawsuit was to get votes tossed out. The issue we're discussing at this point is whether the lawsuit represents "cheating." It does not.

It most certainly does since the purpose of the lawsuit is to disenfranchise people since they cant get away with explicitly doing so.

 

[Helix]

They know that if everyone can easily vote, they are more likely to lose.

 

[Bodecea]

Why Are Republicans So Afraid of Voters?

Voters??? They're ****ing afraid of EVERYTHING! View attachment 67302430

They certainly are......and are the party of victimhood.

 

[NatMorton]

It most certainly does since the purpose of the lawsuit is to disenfranchise people since they cant get away with explicitly doing so.

The Democrats tried, in effect, to nullify every last vote cast for Donald Trump in 2016 with their impeachment case. As their effort was unsuccessful, can we use your reasoning to conclude the Democrats attempted a post hoc election cheat?

 

[bomberfox]

The Democrats tried, in effect, to nullify every last vote cast for Donald Trump in 2016 with their impeachment case. As their effort was unsuccessful, can we use your reasoning to conclude the Democrats attempted a post hoc election cheat?

That is hard to argue against except democrats would not have taken Trump’s place either way. Fair enough.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The Democrats tried, in effect, to nullify every last vote cast for Donald Trump in 2016 with their impeachment case. As their effort was unsuccessful, can we use your reasoning to conclude the Democrats attempted a post hoc election cheat?

In effect?
Wow, cool story bro!

 

[The Mark]

Opinion | Why Are Republicans So Afraid of Voters?

There is no “both sides do it” when it comes to intentionally keeping Americans away from the polls.

www.nytimes.com

The GOP can no longer win elections without cheating and tilting the playing field. Another tactic they will use this election is "armed poll watchers" whose underlying function is to intimidate black voters and senior citizens.

Because if their opponents have to defend democracy, they won't have as much time to combat Republican policies.

That, and they do better when they can suppress and restrict the vote.

 

[The Mark]

That's an interesting statement given that after the 2016 elections, just four short years ago, the Democratic party, in the aggregate, stood at a historically low ebb, holding fewer national and statewide elected offices than at any time since just after the Civil War.

Trump only won because his opponent was Hillary Clinton, and the naturally reduced turnout from that alternative was combined with the Republicans suppressing the vote by enough in enough places.

And of course really minor factors that people blather about, such as Sanders supporters not liking Clinton, Trump amping up republicans, evangelicals getting out the vote at significant percentages, and so forth.

But the main factors were the two I mentioned.

 

[LetsGoBrandon]

The GOP can no longer win elections without cheating and tilting the playing field.

Replace "GOP" with "DNC and you will be making a truthful statement.

Another tactic they will use this election is "armed poll watchers" whose underlying function is to intimidate black voters and senior citizens.

Says the party that had members of the "Black Panthers" hanging around many voting precincts dressed in camo and carrying a billy club during the 2008 election.