Why are liberals typically for gun control?

[TurtleDude]

ok, so you want poor folks in the hood to be able to own fully-automatic rifles?

a cop on every street and an M-16 in every household?

wow.

have you figured out how silly the automatic pistol fear you have is?

 

[PzKfW IVe]

have you figured out how silly the automatic pistol fear you have is?

One of these day's he's going to shock us all and post something that he didn't hear on the playground.

 

[Thunder]

sure, lots of those people served in the Nam and the Gulf. If they don't have records they are just as worthy to have such rifles now as when they were slogging through a rice field avoiding punji stakes or through 120 degree sand dodging IEDs

well, I don't know about where you live, but in NYC...I do NOT want every Dick & Jane owning an M4 with a rocket-launcher.

 

[OscarB63]

well, I don't know about where you live, but in NYC...I do NOT want every Dick & Jane owning an M4 with a rocket-launcher.

do you have any freakin idea how much $$$$ a rocket launcher costs? dick & jane can't afford one, even if they were legal. you might as well be worried that the freakin Death Star is going to vaporize your apartment

 

[theangryamerican]

well, I don't know about where you live, but in NYC...I do NOT want every Dick & Jane owning an M4 with a rocket-launcher.

OMG...They make ROCKET LAUNCHER attachments for the M4 now?!! I think I'm in love. :roll:


Seriously... your hyperbole is killing me, chum.

 

[PzKfW IVe]

OMG...They make ROCKET LAUNCHER attachments for the M4 now?!! I think I'm in love. :roll:
Seriously... your hyperbole is killing me, chum.

It's not hyperbole, it's ignorance.

 

[Thunder]

It's not hyperbole, it's ignorance.

its neither. I misspoke. I meant to say "grenade" launcher.

 

[theangryamerican]

its neither. I misspoke. I meant to say "grenade" launcher.

How many criminal assaults do you know of that have been carried out with an M203 slung underneath a rifle? It would seem that your fears are largely unfounded...

 

[Thunder]

How many criminal assaults do you know of that have been carried out with an M203 slung underneath a rifle? It would seem that your fears are largely unfounded...

so, you have no problem with Americans owning an M4 with a grenade launcher?

 

[theangryamerican]

so, you have no problem with Americans owning an M4 with a grenade launcher?

Owning it? No, no problem. Using it in a negligent or criminal manner? Yes, that I'd have a problem with and would agree that the gun owner should be punished accordingly.

However, you're missing the point. The guns you're so terrified of are statistically NOT the ones that criminals are going to use. Long guns in general are rarely used in violent crimes. If your neighbor has an extra $20,000 to drop on something like an M16 variant, why does that concern you? Someone who has that much invested in collecting legal firearms is not going to risk their freedom and their expensive guns just to fire some rounds at your house. :shrug: Your terror is unfounded.

 

[Thunder]

However, you're missing the point. The guns you're so terrified of are statistically NOT the ones that criminals are going to use.

agreed. handguns are the problem, not shotguns and rifles.

that's why handguns should be illegal except for extreme circumstances of personal safety.

 

[OscarB63]

agreed. handguns are the problem, not shotguns and rifles.

that's why handguns should be illegal except for extreme circumstances of personal safety.

if some dirtbag breaks into my house, I consider that an extreme circumstance of personal safety
if some POS mugger assaults me on the street, I consider that an extreme circumstance of personal safety
if I have a flat tire and some turd tries to carjack me, I consider that an extreme circumstance of personal safety



glad to see we are on the same page about handguns being legal :thumbs:

 

[StillBallin75]

agreed. handguns are the problem, not shotguns and rifles.

that's why handguns should be illegal except for extreme circumstances of personal safety.

Why should a law-abiding gun owner/gun enthusiast have to pay for the indiscretions of irresponsible criminals?

 

[Thunder]

if some dirtbag breaks into my house, I consider that an extreme circumstance of personal safety
if some POS mugger assaults me on the street, I consider that an extreme circumstance of personal safety
if I have a flat tire and some turd tries to carjack me, I consider that an extreme circumstance of personal safety

how often has your house been broken in to?

how often have someone attempted to mug you?

how often has someone attempted to carjack you?

 

[Gargantuan]

agreed. handguns are the problem, not shotguns and rifles.

that's why handguns should be illegal except for extreme circumstances of personal safety.

Then what is your view exactly let me ask? Last page you were talking about M203s and automatic pistols, and now you're talking about making ALL pistols illegal? With the exception of personal safety? What is your requirement for people to own a pistol then?

 

[theangryamerican]

how often has your house been broken in to?

how often have someone attempted to mug you?

how often has someone attempted to carjack you?

So, in your opinion, a person must become a victim first, before they can take steps to protect themselves? That's a bit backwards, don't you think? Do you wait until you've been in an accident to put your seatbelt on or wait until your house burns down to buy homeowner's insurance?

Btw, a bullet from a handgun is not deadlier than a bullet from a rifle or a slug from a shotgun. Judging by the way you keep shifting the parameters of your argument, I'm starting to think that your real-life gun experience hovers somewhere around zero to none...

 

[OscarB63]

how often has your house been broken in to?

how often have someone attempted to mug you?

how often has someone attempted to carjack you?

it only takes once for you to be killed. I've never been in a car wreck where I would've been ejected through the windshield....and yet I still wear my seatbelt

 

[TurtleDude]

well, I don't know about where you live, but in NYC...I do NOT want every Dick & Jane owning an M4 with a rocket-launcher.

yeah I guess you trust only the government and the gangs to have such weapons

 

[StillBallin75]

You ban handguns, you're only gonna end up with a lovely black market.

 

[TurtleDude]

agreed. handguns are the problem, not shotguns and rifles.

that's why handguns should be illegal except for extreme circumstances of personal safety.

that sort of attitude is why every freedom loving American should be well armed

 

[Molotok]

Take them to a gun range and let them shoot and perhaps it will change their minds. It has for liberals that I know, I have noticed that those who oppose guns have never shot a real gun before. Now this just goes for those friends that I know and I am only citing my own experiences.

I'm a liberal, and also a military man (not such a conundrum here in the UK). I served five years in the French Foreign Legion, and six in the Royal Marines. I'm rather well versed in firearms, I assure you. I still support their restriction. In fact, if anything my time in the military has proven to me all the more that such weapons should be for the military, not civilian life.

 

[StillBallin75]

I'm a liberal, and also a military man (not such a conundrum here in the UK). I served five years in the French Foreign Legion, and six in the Royal Marines. I'm rather well versed in firearms, I assure you. I still support their restriction. In fact, if anything my time in the military has proven to me all the more that such weapons should be for the military, not civilian life.

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[TurtleDude]

how often has your house been broken in to?

how often have someone attempted to mug you?

how often has someone attempted to carjack you?

twice-both times a gun stopped it

Twice-once I shot one of the muggers and the other had a "catastrophic bowel Movement" in his shorts when I aimed the weapon at him" , the other time, some juvenile delinquent pulled a switch blade on me and I promptly broke his wrist with a stick and his jaw with a snap kick. then I tossed his switchblade down a storm sewer and proceeded to really beat the crap out of him

Once-in detroit -I stuck a 45 in his face and he broke the Michigan state record for the 110 Meter car hurdles run in stolen Chuck Taylors

 

[theangryamerican]

I'm a liberal, and also a military man (not such a conundrum here in the UK). I served five years in the French Foreign Legion, and six in the Royal Marines. I'm rather well versed in firearms, I assure you. I still support their restriction. In fact, if anything my time in the military has proven to me all the more that such weapons should be for the military, not civilian life.

How exactly is that restriction working out with curbing violence on your little island there?

 

[TurtleDude]

I'm a liberal, and also a military man (not such a conundrum here in the UK). I served five years in the French Foreign Legion, and six in the Royal Marines. I'm rather well versed in firearms, I assure you. I still support their restriction. In fact, if anything my time in the military has proven to me all the more that such weapons should be for the military, not civilian life.

great-your country's complete failure belies your rants but here in the states we are talking about one set of civilians owning the same self defensive weapons that other civilians (police departments) are using.