Why are conservatives always quoting the founding fathers?

[matchlight]

True, but America's liberals aren't "classical liberals" at all. They are the opposite. Modern American liberathe old ls defiled the names "Democrat" (stolen from Jefferson and Madison) and "Progressive," (stolen from Teddy R.) and they chose "liberal." They chose "liberal," precisely because they were very weak on the individual-freedom front. They chose the opposite of what they are, to fool voters. It's what leftist, liberal, progressive, Democrats do - they lie.

I find the old term "pinko" fits soi-disant liberals pretty well. They are the very opposite of liberal--sort of modern-day, uptight Puritan scolds. A lot of the baloney they prattle could have come right out of one of the English-language magazines the Soviet Union used to use to spread anti-American communist propaganda in this country. These specimens heartily dislike the United States--even though millions of them choose to take up space here--and they can't stand the Constitution that designs this country's government, either. They're especially hostile to the First and Second Amendments.

 

[GBFAN]

The irony in that statement is delicious. You, who has not contributed anything to this conversation aside from "you're wrong cause I said so", is accusing me of being unable to defend my position with an intelligent response? LOL.

Hey GBFAN, your cognitive dissonance is showing.

LOL ... throw big words out, and we're supposed to be intimidated? You misused the phrase 'cognitive dissonance'. Check it out.

I never said you couldn't defend a position, since you never postulated a position ... rather, you acted like some 15 year old school girl, attacking her family with catty remarks that are far beneath the level of intelligent input. THAT is what I took exception to ... grow the hell up!

 

[TeleKat]

You misused the phrase 'cognitive dissonance'. Check it out.

Actually, I didn't.

I never said you couldn't defend a position, since you never postulated a position

Sure I did, you were just too busy spewing your crap to notice.

grow the hell up

I'm pretty sure, if you take a moment to reflect the egregrious BS you've posted on this thread today, you'd come to the conclusion that you're the one that has some growing up to do.

 

[ludin]

All of the sudden conservatives are all historians. They are all quoting the founding fathers and screaming we are losing our freedom. Where was all this freedom loving crap when Reagan was pushing his fascist war on drugs, red states banning gay marriage and all the other moralistic BS the right has pushed over the years? No they are not for freedom at all. As for the founding fathers they where not moral at all. Many where heavy drinkers, slave owners who has sex with the female slaves, went to orgies and many where not that religious. They believed that only white, male landowners should vote and we had to change many of their backward laws over the years. So I ask you right wingers again. Why the history lesson all the sudden?

Umm because we believe in the reason that the founding father fought britian to begin with.
that government should be limited and focused.

because this nation is slowly turning away from the freedoms and the structure that made it one of the greatest nations on earth.
what is happening in washington and even on the state level is the very thing that some of the founding fathers argued against.

 

[GBFAN]

Actually, I didn't.



Sure I did, you were just too busy spewing your crap to notice.



I'm pretty sure, if you take a moment to reflect the egregrious BS you've posted on this thread today, you'd come to the conclusion that you're the one that has some growing up to do.

"Cognitive dissonance" is the uncomfortable feeling you get from holding two conflicting beliefs.

I can assure you I didn't hold two conflicting beliefs ... I felt then, and I feel now, that you were being juvenile and petty. No conflict there.

Nothing's changed.

 

[TeleKat]

"Cognitive dissonance" is the uncomfortable feeling you get from holding two conflicting beliefs.

Good job, kid! :applaud

I can assure you I didn't hold two conflicting beliefs

Your posts say otherwise...

that you were being juvenile and petty

I'm being juvenile and petty? Right...

 

[Captain America]

LOL. You will never amount to anything so long as you hold onto your hate and mischaracterize yourself.

Too late. I've already amounted to something. Now go back to your double-wide and worry about someone else. LOL!

I can't think of anyone here that exhibits more hate than you do. What did that other poster call you in post 236? Vitriolic scum? Those were his words, not mine. But you might notice nobody disagreed with him. Except, perhaps, you.

But, on the plus side, you ARE an endless source of entertainment. For that, I do thank you very much.

 

[Respecthelect]

I can't think of anyone here that exhibits more hate than you do. What did that other poster call you in post 236? Vitriolic scum? Those were his words, not mine. But you might notice nobody disagreed with him.

I disagreed with that characterization and your characterization, but figured your personal attacks were a matter for the Mods, not for me to comment on. Since you called us out, though...

 

[Captain America]

I disagreed with that characterization and your characterization, but figured your personal attacks were a matter for the Mods, not for me to comment on. Since you called us out, though...

MY attacks? Puh-leeeze... :roll: Those were not my words. I might agree, but those were not my words.

Well, you gotta admit, it would be kinda hard to ding me for my lighthearted responses when the person I am responding too is dishing out all kinds of insults and mother****er's. I have to admit that I do rather enjoy watching him squirm and seethe in his hatred. Very entertaining!

I can just hear the teeth gnashing as we speak. LOL!

 

[Respecthelect]

I can't think of anyone here that exhibits more hate than you do.

Those are your words of hate, not anyone else's.

 

[Captain America]

Those are your words of hate, not anyone else's.

Quote by me: I can't think of anyone here that exhibits more hate than you do.

That sir, is a simple, obvious observation.

I'm not the one who called him vitriolic scum. That was someone else who has made the same observations.

I did call him a heart breaker though. He said he didn't like me. That just broke my heart! I thought we had something special. LOL!

 

[Fearandloathing]

True, but America's liberals aren't "classical liberals" at all. They are the opposite. Modern American liberals defiled the names "Democrat" (stolen from Jefferson and Madison) and "Progressive," (stolen from Teddy R.) and they chose "liberal." They chose "liberal," precisely because they were very weak on the individual-freedom front. They chose the opposite of what they are, to fool voters. It's what leftist, liberal, progressive, Democrats do - they lie.

Thank you for restoring the debate and leading away from the childish insults...

No, US "progressives" are socialists. Period. No classical liberal would EVER conceive of a plan that forces people to buy a needed for-profit service. No liberal ion their right mind would sit still for the NSA spying on everything and no classical liberal would ever agree to either amnesty nor 99 weeks of unemployment. No Liberal would condone the kind of constitutional trampling now going on nor the attempts to quash freedom of speech.

No liberal would ever engage in the kind of pay off to corporate bums in the banking industry nor interfere so deeply in the economy as to rescue GM to save over paid over benefitted union jobs.

What US progressives really are is a coalition of "me" forces from global warming to women's "issues" to the 110 year old bleat for a higher minimum wage; what they doi is buy votes with your money; what I call opportunist-socialist.

 

[DifferentDrummr]

What US progressives really are is a coalition of "me" forces from global warming to women's "issues" to the 110 year old bleat for a higher minimum wage; what they doi is buy votes with your money; what I call opportunist-socialist.

As opposed to the other coalition of "me" forces on the Hill, who under your naming system would be opportunist-statist-corporatist.

 

[James D Hill]

One party has become a great evil. And the other, the Democrat party has become a very great evil.

There are three options. Go along with the new slavery until the collapse, armed rebellion, or an Article V convention of states to propose amendments. At this moment I prefer to convince my state legislature that it must petition the Congress for a Convention of States.

Evil? Give me a freaking break. If you want evil just buy the Mercyful Fate album Don't Break the Oath or the Gogoroth album Inscript Satan. Calling people evil is over the top. I don't call selfish right wingers who want to end food stamps or unemployment benefits during hard times evil even though they are close. Cut it out. Both sides thinkj they are doing good.

 

[Meister]

Evil? Give me a freaking break. If you want evil just buy the Mercyful Fate album Don't Break the Oath or the Gogoroth album Inscript Satan. Calling people evil is over the top. I don't call selfish right wingers who want to end food stamps or unemployment benefits during hard times evil even though they are close. Cut it out. Both sides thinkj they are doing good.

I believe what he is saying that that neither party is doing the job they are supposed to be doing. At one time they were elected to serve the people, now the people serve them. true story.....

What you call rightwingers is just what rightwingers call leftwingers......and they're both right. Neither has a one up on the other.

 

[Misterveritis]

Too late. I've already amounted to something. Now go back to your double-wide and worry about someone else. LOL!

Cool. Perhaps your hatred came late enough in your life that it did not matter.

I can't think of anyone here that exhibits more hate than you do. What did that other poster call you in post 236? Vitriolic scum? Those were his words, not mine. But you might notice nobody disagreed with him. Except, perhaps, you.

I don't suffer fools lightly any longer.

But, on the plus side, you ARE an endless source of entertainment. For that, I do thank you very much.

You are quite welcome. For those unable to learn I am delighted I can at least entertain.

 

[Misterveritis]

"One party has become a great evil. And the other, the Democrat party has become a very great evil.

There are three options. Go along with the new slavery until the collapse, armed rebellion, or an Article V convention of states to propose amendments. At this moment I prefer to convince my state legislature that it must petition the Congress for a Convention of States."

Evil? Give me a freaking break. If you want evil just buy the Mercyful Fate album Don't Break the Oath or the Gogoroth album Inscript Satan. Calling people evil is over the top. I don't call selfish right wingers who want to end food stamps or unemployment benefits during hard times evil even though they are close. Cut it out. Both sides thinkj they are doing good.

Yes. The Democrats are stealing our future as rapidly as they possibly can. That is a very great evil. The Democrat party leadership is evil.

I see you believe that government should steal from each according to their ability to give to others according to their needs. So in addition to belonging to the evil party you are also a Marxist.

I am not claiming the Republicans are doing "good." I am simply saying they are a little less evil than the Democratic party leadership. They are also stealing our future. They are just doing it at a more comfortable speed.

 

[Misterveritis]

MY attacks? Puh-leeeze... :roll: Those were not my words. I might agree, but those were not my words.

Well, you gotta admit, it would be kinda hard to ding me for my lighthearted responses when the person I am responding too is dishing out all kinds of insults and mother****er's. I have to admit that I do rather enjoy watching him squirm and seethe in his hatred. Very entertaining!

I can just hear the teeth gnashing as we speak. LOL!

At least you have an imagination.

I cannot imagine why you think I am squirming. I do enjoy correcting the left's errors. He, or she, is immature. He, or she, lacks wisdom. He, or she, knows a great deal that is not so.

Of course you like him, or her. You two are like peas in a pod.

 

[Misterveritis]

I disagreed with that characterization and your characterization, but figured your personal attacks were a matter for the Mods, not for me to comment on. Since you called us out, though...

Hmmm. "Widely-held belief." Belief by a very fat person could be widely-held.

 

[Stoney]

"One party has become a great evil. And the other, the Democrat party has become a very great evil.

There are three options. Go along with the new slavery until the collapse, armed rebellion, or an Article V convention of states to propose amendments. At this moment I prefer to convince my state legislature that it must petition the Congress for a Convention of States."

Yes. The Democrats are stealing our future as rapidly as they possibly can. That is a very great evil. The Democrat party leadership is evil.

I see you believe that government should steal from each according to their ability to give to others according to their needs. So in addition to belonging to the evil party you are also a Marxist.

I am not claiming the Republicans are doing "good." I am simply saying they are a little less evil than the Democratic party leadership. They are also stealing our future. They are just doing it at a more comfortable speed.

I used to say that it was probably fortunate that Obama won over McCain because with Obama more people would see where we're headed and maybe try to turn it around.

 

[MAGAnificent]

All of the sudden conservatives are all historians. They are all quoting the founding fathers and screaming we are losing our freedom. Where was all this freedom loving crap when Reagan was pushing his fascist war on drugs, red states banning gay marriage and all the other moralistic BS the right has pushed over the years? No they are not for freedom at all. As for the founding fathers they where not moral at all. Many where heavy drinkers, slave owners who has sex with the female slaves, went to orgies and many where not that religious. They believed that only white, male landowners should vote and we had to change many of their backward laws over the years. So I ask you right wingers again. Why the history lesson all the sudden?

The answer is really simple and not partisan in the least. The founding fathers believed in a system of limited government. That's why the colonists fought in the revolution....to get out from under a bloated big government monarchy under King Richard. The founders of the Democrat Party would be rolling over in their grave if they knew much the democrat party now resembles the monarchy they fought against.

 

[Misterveritis]

The answer is really simple and not partisan in the least. The founding fathers believed in a system of limited government. That's why the colonists fought in the revolution....to get out from under a bloated big government monarchy under King Richard. The founders of the Democrat Party would be rolling over in their grave if they knew much the democrat party now resembles the monarchy they fought against.

King Richard?

Congress organized a boycott of British goods and petitioned the king for repeal of the acts. These measures were unsuccessful because King George III and the ministry of Prime Minister Lord North were determined not to retreat on the question of parliamentary supremacy. As the king wrote to North in November 1774, "blows must decide whether they are to be subject to this country or independent".​

My vote is King George III.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I don't think there is anything wrong with quoting or studying the writings and views of the founders at all. However, I would suspect the reason why conservatives tend to quote the founders more often than liberals is that conservatives tend to revere the writings of the founders just like they revere scripture. Liberals in contrast are much more apt to question the views of anyone, whether its the founders or religious scriptures. I think it boils down more to personality traits than anything else.

 

[Misterveritis]

I don't think there is anything wrong with quoting or studying the writings and views of the founders at all. However, I would suspect the reason why conservatives tend to quote the founders more often than liberals is that conservatives tend to revere the writings of the founders just like they revere scripture. Liberals in contrast are much more apt to question the views of anyone, whether its the founders or religious scriptures. I think it boils down more to personality traits than anything else.

Maybe. I quote them because I believe they were right.

 

[Respecthelect]

the reason why conservatives tend to quote the founders more often than liberals is that conservatives tend to revere the writings of the founders just like they revere scripture.

Nonsense. Virtually every conservative can give an account why and where the founder's acquired their well-reasoned positions.

We quote the founder's to remind liberal's what America stands for, where and why the law and American principles are the way they are. Because, liberals like to twist the meanings of words. Because whenever a liberal says the constitution is "living and breathing," he is about to stab it in the lung. So, we remind liberals of "original intent." That the philosophical issues the founder's dealt with are the very same issues dictatorial liberal's try to impose upon us today. That the founder's already thought-through liberal nonsense and addressed each and every nonsensical notion.