Why Am I Pro-Life

[Stace]

And as far as enslavement...
How about forcimg men to pay child support for kids they didn't chose to have?

Now, are you talking about actual child support, like they're already supposed to pay, or are you talking about what JP keeps bringing up, which would be for men to pay support while the woman is pregnant?

Either way, the child support system doesn't work too well. Why do you think my mom is owed over $30,000 in back support? The system sucks.

 

[tryreading]

I don't understand why a voucher is so bad. In fact, I think we should abolish the public school system for the most part and give vouchers for all. It would be much cheaper that way. Sadly some radical leftists have problems with that.

Since you don't understand, you should research the subject before making suggestions like the above.

You may want your tax dollars to be spent sending children to private religious schools, but I don't want mine spent that way. Courts are beginning to find the system un-Constitutional, like here in Florida, and I think that will continue.

 

[Navy Pride]

Since you don't understand, you should research the subject before making suggestions like the above.

You may want your tax dollars to be spent sending children to private religious schools, but I don't want mine spent that way. Courts are beginning to find the system un-Constitutional, like here in Florida, and I think that will continue.

Would you send a child to Notre Dame? That is a cathoclic school........What you fail to realize is that school vouchers are cheaper then sending kids through the failed public school system..........You would actually save tax money and your kids would get a better education.............

To give you an example when I was a child I went to a private catholic school..I was in the 4th grade and was a C average student.......Well my father was in the military and got transferred to Florida and since there was no private school there I had to go to publc school.....When I went into the 5th grade I was a straight A student.....Everything they were studying I had already had............It was hard to believe and just goes to show you the difference in the 2 systems...........

 

[Stace]

Would you send a child to Notre Dame? That is a cathoclic school........What you fail to realize is that school vouchers are cheaper then sending kids through the failed public school system..........You would actually save tax money and your kids would get a better education.............

To give you an example when I was a child I went to a private catholic school..I was in the 4th grade and was a C average student.......Well my father was in the military and got transferred to Florida and since there was no private school there I had to go to publc school.....When I went into the 5th grade I was a straight A student.....Everything they were studying I had already had............It was hard to believe and just goes to show you the difference in the 2 systems...........

Hmm....let's see here.....that was how long ago? Not to mention, you went from one school system in some state, to a school system in Florida. Not all school systems are created equal, and I'm not just talking about public vs. private.

Also, your claim that private school is cheaper has already been refuted. Perhaps in some areas of the country, but certainly not where I, or a lot of other people, live. You can't even look at tax dollars as a whole, because your tax dollars are also paying for school equipment and teacher salaries, not just what it costs to accomodate each child. My high school received $2,500 per child.....I don't know of any private schools in the area that cost less than that per year.

 

[Navy Pride]

Hmm....let's see here.....that was how long ago? Not to mention, you went from one school system in some state, to a school system in Florida. Not all school systems are created equal, and I'm not just talking about public vs. private.

Also, your claim that private school is cheaper has already been refuted. Perhaps in some areas of the country, but certainly not where I, or a lot of other people, live. You can't even look at tax dollars as a whole, because your tax dollars are also paying for school equipment and teacher salaries, not just what it costs to accomodate each child. My high school received $2,500 per child.....I don't know of any private schools in the area that cost less than that per year.

I live in one of the most liberal states in the union and they did a study of a comparison of what it costs to educate a 10th grader in the public school system and one in a private school..............It cost over $10K in the public school system compared to a little over $5K in a private school..........you do the math............That is tax payer money that could be saved.......

 

[Stace]

I live in one of the most liberal states in the union and they did a study of a comparison of what it costs to educate a 10th grader in the public school system and one in a private school..............It cost over $10K in the public school system compared to a little over $5K in a private school..........you do the math............That is tax payer money that could be saved.......

Well, that's where you live....so if that's what your state wants to do, great. But the entire country isn't made up that way, and oftentimes, private school costs TWICE what it costs for public school, so that's obviously not saving the taxpayers any money.

 

[Navy Pride]

Well, that's where you live....so if that's what your state wants to do, great. But the entire country isn't made up that way, and oftentimes, private school costs TWICE what it costs for public school, so that's obviously not saving the taxpayers any money.

Even if the cost evened out to be about equal, don't you want your kids to get the best possible education available?

 

[Kelzie]

Even if the cost evened out to be about equal, don't you want your kids to get the best possible education available?

There is no difference in performance between public and private schools in the same socio-economic class.

 

[Stace]

Even if the cost evened out to be about equal, don't you want your kids to get the best possible education available?

Yes, I will when the time comes....but I will NOT send them to a religious school, and unless the Charlotte public schools do something about their violence rates, we'll either have to move, or I will homeschool my children.

 

[Navy Pride]

There is no difference in performance between public and private schools in the same socio-economic class.

I beg to differ, there is here in Washington state......In addition many families are home schooling their children because they don't want them learning about gay and oral sex in the first grade and the kids getting home schooled are doing much better when both are tested...........

 

[Kelzie]

I beg to differ, there is here in Washington state......In addition many families are home schooling their children because they don't want them learning about gay and oral sex in the first grade and the kids getting home schooled are doing much better when both are tested...........

I'm sorry. I would really like to see the proof that they are teaching oral sex to six year-olds.

 

[Stace]

I'm sorry. I would really like to see the proof that they are teaching oral sex to six year-olds.

I've certainly never heard of anything like that out here....I'd be appalled to find out my little sister was learning that sort of stuff! (Well, she's my sister in law, my husband's half sister, and she's six....)

 

[Navy Pride]

I'm sorry. I would really like to see the proof that they are teaching oral sex to six year-olds.

I told you I live in one of them most liberal states in the union......Seriously it may not be the first grade but that is pretty close..........

 

[Navy Pride]

I've certainly never heard of anything like that out here....I'd be appalled to find out my little sister was learning that sort of stuff! (Well, she's my sister in law, my husband's half sister, and she's six....)

See my post to kelzie

 

[Kelzie]

I told you I live in one of them most liberal states in the union......Seriously it may not be the first grade but that is pretty close..........

Well what grade is it? I would really like to know what grade they teach oral sex in Washington, cause I feel like I have seriously missed out on my public education.

 

[Navy Pride]

Well what grade is it? I would really like to know what grade they teach oral sex in Washington, cause I feel like I have seriously missed out on my public education.

Elementary school..................again as Hannibal Lector once said okey dokey.....

 

[Kelzie]

Elementary school..................again as Hannibal Lector once said okey dokey.....

Well what grade? And a source. Please.

 

[tryreading]

Would you send a child to Notre Dame? That is a cathoclic school........What you fail to realize is that school vouchers are cheaper then sending kids through the failed public school system..........You would actually save tax money and your kids would get a better education.............

To give you an example when I was a child I went to a private catholic school..I was in the 4th grade and was a C average student.......Well my father was in the military and got transferred to Florida and since there was no private school there I had to go to publc school.....When I went into the 5th grade I was a straight A student.....Everything they were studying I had already had............It was hard to believe and just goes to show you the difference in the 2 systems...........

There was evidence posted earlier in this thread that contradicts what you say about the voucher system.

About Notre Dame, it is a University, not a public school, and no one has to go there. Children do have to go to school, it is mandated. If the public schools can't be improved other than by spending public school money elsewhere, which certainly won't help, then we are in bad shape. Our school systems should be the best in the world, but, in some states, the level of education is embarrassing. If they are substandard, why not improve them? Vouchers won't do that.

 

[Engimo]

Well what grade? And a source. Please.

Don't even bother, Kelzie. It's obvious that he's just spouting off his marginally true anecdotal evidence as truth. It is obvious that there is no movement to teach 1st graders about oral sex, please.

 

[Navy Pride]

There was evidence posted earlier in this thread that contradicts what you say about the voucher system.

About Notre Dame, it is a University, not a public school, and no one has to go there. Children do have to go to school, it is mandated. If the public schools can't be improved other than by spending public school money elsewhere, which certainly won't help, then we are in bad shape. Our school systems should be the best in the world, but, in some states, the level of education is embarrassing. If they are substandard, why not improve them? Vouchers won't do that.

I don't care about your so called evidence........I know how it is here.......

Do away with the public school system (I know it won't happen but I can dream.........

Another solution is pay teachers in accordance with a merit system.....The union will never allow that though...........

 

[tryreading]

...oral sex in the first grade...

If this was going on in my school, nobody told me. Man. I was deprived. I was cheated.

Seriously though, NP, do they have vouchers for this? I don't want my tax money spent on this either. Let them get a hooker.

 

[steen]

Nonsense. Of course she can avoid giving bodily resources

Once she is pregnant, this is only done through an abortion.

to her baby

There isn't any baby until birth, your hyperbole none withstanding.

if she doesn't want to. She has to make sure she doesn't engage in activities that will make her pregnant.

Irrelevant. Sex is not consent to pregnancy anymore than eating is consent to heart attack or smoking is consent to lung cancer.

When untoward, unwanted outcomes of your own activities happen, we provide medical treatment if you seek it. That's all there is to this debate.

Her participation in those activities is clear evidence that she's accepting the consequences of her actions

False. She accepts that there are risks, and if the unwanted outcome happens, then she can seek medical treatment. Your claim is bull; it would mean that smokers consent to lung cancer.

and thus there's no reason why she can't spend a few months knocked up instead of killing a baby that didn't ask her to get started.

There is no baby, and there is no right to force her to give of her bodily resources against her will as slavery IS illegal, prolife desire for its reinstatement none withstanding.

You're absolutely right. While we're talking about the woman's body, she has every freedom to choose not to get pregnant.

And she has the freedom to remove unwanted outcomes of her activities through medical assistance just like anybody else seeking medical procedures to terminate unwanted bodily results. Until you deal with that, your prolife argument is just hypocritical to the hilt.

Once she is pregnant, she doesn't have the freedom to destroy someone else's body.

If she is pregnant, she has the right to terminate the pregnancy's effects on her body; she has the right to restrict access to her bodily resources even if it leads to death. After all, YOU have the right to not be forced to give of your bodily resources, so insisting that SHE be forced when you aren't, that's the stark hypocrisy of prolifers.

I guess because you were wrong on the Dred Scott decision

I wasn't, as shown.

 

[steen]

I submitted a link to the entire opinion. The sections I quoted were both relevant and as I said.

Relevant in showing citizenship issue, and in showing that none of your litany of claims where actually substantiated by the text you quoted. You still made false claims, regardless of what sophistry you seek to hide behind.

I managed to score a 2 on the SAT verbal part, clearly some here scored even worse.:roll:

I pity you for your poor score. Thankfully, I did much better in my testings.

 

[steen]

No, I'm in favor of limiting the number of babies murdered by their mother.

Well, that has nothing to do with abortions, so per your claim we have to wonder why you so misguidedly are posting here? Shouldn't you be out fighting child abuse?

Please try to address the issues at hand, which don't require the invention of irrelevancies to cloud them further.

Indeed. Since you apparently have no issue with abortion, instead are talking about babies, you certainly are not addressing the issue at hand.

It's about adults taking responsibility for their actions, and not killing others because they f*****d up.

Ah, so you are not pro-life, you are pro-fault. This is all about opprresion and forcing your morality on the woman. Then it is very hypocritical to hide behind a pretense that you care about the fetus, when what you really are after is misogynistic oppression of women (Not that we didn't already knwo this, as that is what prolife is all about)..

 

[steen]

To give you an example when I was a child I went to a private catholic school..I was in the 4th grade and was a C average student..

:spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:

Hey, you can NOT blame your poor performace on the school. Time to stand up and take responsibility for your own actions.