• Please read the Announcement concerning missing posts from 10/8/25-10/15/25.
  • This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Why all states should ban pit bulls

Another ignorant post by someone who obviously thinks humans are not part of the animal kingdom. You are an animal, condemn that my friend. ;)

Pit bulls are not an actual breed and you have no argument to the contrary. The American Pit Bull Terrier has not been recognized by the AKC, while the American Staffordshire Terrier, which is slightly smaller, has been.
The staffordshire terrier and the pit bull terrier are the same thing
Lame are your emotional appeals that are being called into question, that is not a personal attack unless you wish it to be so. Thin-skinned?

Some facts about the American Pit Bull Terrier -
View attachment 67448798
Also they rank 5 stars for kill count.
 
Dog fighting remains very popular in the United States, despite being illegal. As long as that remains the case, there will continue to be demand for fighting dogs.
Agreed but there are differences in penalties amongst the states. Here are the worst 5 - Source

46. Wyoming​

The state doesn’t offer any felony penalties for neglect or abandonment. It also doesn’t require abusers to give up their dog upon conviction and requires no mental health evaluations for offenders.

47. Utah​

In Utah, there is no duty for peace officers to enforce animal protection laws, according to the ALDF. Plus, there is no specific provision for “non-animal-related agencies and professionals” to report suspected dog abuse. It is also one of a handful of states where the ag-gag bill exists. Basically, the undercover recording of animal cruelty occurring in the farming industry is illegal.

48. New Mexico​

In New Mexico, there is no increased penalties when dog abuse occurs in the presence of a minor. Plus, after conviction, there are no restrictions on owning another dog in the future.

49. Iowa​

Iowa has inadequate definitions and standards for a dog’s basic care and ALDF believes there are inadequate provisions for dog fighting. It also has no statutory authority that allows dogs to be included in protective orders. Lastly, it is another state that supports the ag-gag bills.

50. Kentucky​

For the eighth year in a row, Kentucky is the worst state for animal abuse. The state doesn’t have an adequate definition or standsards for a dog’s basic care. There is also no increased penalties for abuse that occurs with multiple animals or in the presence of a minor. Plus, the state prohibits veterinarians from reporting suspected cruelty and fighting. (Mitch McConnell's state, imagine that!)
 
Ninety-nine percent of the problem is bad owners. I've been around pit bulls that were nothing but nice.
Agreed. My dog is banned in several countries, which is completely idiotic. It's all about the owners and the training the dog receives. Not all breeds of dogs are meant for everyone.
 
Maybe you should watch it. You clearly don’t understand what a court is
The judicial branch cannot adjudicate a law that NO LONGER EXISTS.

These legislatures have REMOVED pit bull specific laws.
 
The judicial branch cannot adjudicate a law that NO LONGER EXISTS.

These legislatures have REMOVED pit bull specific laws.
So what? I never said anything about legislatures. You brought this up as a “nuh-uh” when I brought up courts. Because you don’t have any other argument.
 
I was delighted last month when the Arkansas legislature roundly defeated a bill that would repeal local breed specific laws.

This doesn’t go far enough however, because it allows cities to permit people to own these dangerous animals. States should ban them outright.

Pit bulls and any true bulldog or bully breed should be illegal for general ownership as a pet. This is for several reasons

1) they are evolutionary adapted to cause permanent injury and death.

These dogs stem from an English sport called “bull baiting” where dogs would be arranged to kill bulls, as Bull baiting fell out of favor then new blood sports such as dog fighting and ratting emerged, for which bulldogs were crossed with terriers to make a strong and agile dog with a ferocious bite and high pain tolerance. This is the origin of modern pitbulls.

2) pitbulls are the least wanted dog in America, many pitbulls are given to shelters quickly as naive people realize these animals are dangerous. The pit Bull is the most euthanized dog in America and I this overpopulation is in part because insufficient bsl exists to prosecute breeders for making this animals
3) pitbulls are indisputably the most dangerous animals in America, 2/3 of all serious dog attacks on humans and over 90% of serious dog attacks on domesticated animals are from pit bulls, which are less then ten percent of dogs. The next dog after pitbulls are dobermans which are trained to be actual property guard dogs and it’s less than a quarter of pit Bull numbers. https://coloradoinjurylaw.com/dog-bite-statistics/#:~:text=Pitbulls are 2.5x more,and 63% of ocular injuries.&text=Pitbull attacks have higher morbidity,than attacks by other breeds.

3) pit bulls have high prey drive, they will attack their own owners, their owners children, their owners parents, sometimes even strangers and they do it without warning. Pit bulls will attack infants for crying because it triggers their prey drive
4) pit bulls have locking jaws which cause serious injury. Lucas County Ohio Dog Warden Tom Skeldon once presented a video in court of a dog that wouldn’t release its grasp on a cable after being tranquilized. Even pit Bull activists recommend carrying “break sticks” to pry the jaws of the dog when it attacks another dog.

5) existing lesser laws are inadequate. Most laws involving dangerous animals are meant to deal with normal dog breeds which are nuisances, not for fatal attacks by dogs like pit bulls. Breed specific laws allow accountability for people who choose to adopt dangerous animals


 
The staffordshire terrier and the pit bull terrier are the same thing
Nope, different breeds. Fact you refuse to accept.
Also they rank 5 stars for kill count.
I'd ask you to prove that hateful remark but so far you have refused to back up anything you have spouted with actual evidence.

Again, "Lame are your emotional appeals."
 
So what? I never said anything about legislatures. You brought this up as a “nuh-uh” when I brought up courts. Because you don’t have any other argument.
It doesn't matter that courts USED to widely interpret pitbull-specific laws - because those laws are now being repealed.

In one state after another.

Yet one more example where you are on the wrong side of history.

Sort of like how spousal rape used to be widely accepted and now most people find it disgusting - but you fail to even believe it exists.
 
Sgt. Stubby -
Sergeant Stubby (1916 – March 16, 1926) was a dog and the unofficial mascot of the 1-102nd Infantry Regiment (United States) and was assigned to the 26th (Yankee) Division in World War I. He served for 18 months and participated in 17 battles on the Western Front. He saved his regiment from surprise mustard gas attacks, found and comforted the wounded, and allegedly once caught a German soldier by the seat of his pants, holding him there until American soldiers found him.[2] His actions were well-documented in contemporary American newspapers.[3][4][5]

Stubby has been called the most decorated war dog of the Great War and the only dog to be nominated and promoted to sergeant through combat.[6] Stubby's remains are in the Smithsonian Institution.[3][4][6]

Stubby is the subject of the 2018 animated film; Sgt. Stubby: An American Hero.

Sergeant_Stubby.webp
 
Yep.


He is adamant that "pitbull" which is an umbrella term for 4-5 different breeds - is one specific breed.

That's like saying a Jack Russell Terrier is a Rat Terrier.
He's doesn't know a damned this about dogs other than they scare him.
 
Dogs tend to be very good judges of someone's character.
Very true. There are also many breeds that are simply not a match for an inexperienced dog owner and the pit bull is one. The problem is that some people, who have never owned a dog get a pit bull and don't know how to train or handle the dog properly.

As I stated in a previous post, my dog is considered a dangerous breed and is banned in several countries. I certainly wouldn't recommend a Dogo Argentino for a first time dog owner, but I've owned several large breed dogs in my life and I've spent a lot of time training and working with her. I still wouldn't bring a cat or a small dog into the house, though. People who own dogs like Dogos and Pit Bulls need to understand things like this.
 
They're both terriers, but that's about it. Different breeds of dogs.
No, they’re not. We know historically exactly where the American Staffordshire terrier comes from, it comes from one guy, John Colby, using the name American staffordshire terrier to register his pit bull terriers with the AKC
 
It doesn't matter that courts USED to widely interpret pitbull-specific laws - because those laws are now being repealed.
In some jurisdictions they have, in others though like Arkansas, which I mentioned in the OP and Ontario the laws are widely popular and have survived directed lobbying to repeal them
In one state after another.

Yet one more example where you are on the wrong side of history.
🙄
Sort of like how spousal rape used to be widely accepted and now most people find it disgusting - but you fail to even believe it exists.
Lol your response to being called on your own ignorance is to say “you’re a rapist who doesn’t own a dog” neither of which is true.

Your concession is accepted
 
No, they’re not. We know historically exactly where the American Staffordshire terrier comes from, it comes from one guy, John Colby, using the name American staffordshire terrier to register his pit bull terriers with the AKC
I believe the AKC knows more about dogs than you. I'll side by their judgment.
 
Very true. There are also many breeds that are simply not a match for an inexperienced dog owner and the pit bull is one. The problem is that some people, who have never owned a dog get a pit bull and don't know how to train or handle the dog properly.

As I stated in a previous post, my dog is considered a dangerous breed and is banned in several countries. I certainly wouldn't recommend a Dogo Argentino for a first time dog owner, but I've owned several large breed dogs in my life and I've spent a lot of time training and working with her. I still wouldn't bring a cat or a small dog into the house, though. People who own dogs like Dogos and Pit Bulls need to understand things like this.
I've had a variety of different breeds over the course of my life as my own personal pets - especially when you count the dogs I've fostered. The breed that has been the single most destructive and difficult was my Siberian husky. Loved that dog, but wow. Talk about requiring a LOT of experience and care to keep up with him.

The breed that was the most aggressive was a mini poodle, he was a “fear biter” and was a rescue from a puppy mill.
 
Lol. I have no idea how it is you’re still stuck in 1990.

In addition you have no real arguments
What part of your desire to ban breeds of dogs is indicative of small government or individual freedoms?
 
I've had a variety of different breeds over the course of my life as my own personal pets - especially when you count the dogs I've fostered. The breed that has been the single most destructive and difficult was my Siberian husky. Loved that dog, but wow. Talk about requiring a LOT of experience and care to keep up with him.

The breed that was the most aggressive was a mini poodle, he was a “fear biter” and was a rescue from a puppy mill.
We had a Husky years ago and they are stubborn as hell. I do like the way they "talk" rather than bark.
 
I've had a variety of different breeds over the course of my life as my own personal pets - especially when you count the dogs I've fostered. The breed that has been the single most destructive and difficult was my Siberian husky. Loved that dog, but wow. Talk about requiring a LOT of experience and care to keep up with him.

The breed that was the most aggressive was a mini poodle, he was a “fear biter” and was a rescue from a puppy mill.
Dalmatians are considered a dangerous breed. Dalmatians!

My little rescue just lays around watching horror movies with us.

IMG_1619.webp
 
I believe the AKC knows more about dogs than you. I'll side by their judgment.
This is historical fact. So, even if the AKC said something different, it would be wrong. This is moot anyway because you haven’t cited anything from the AKC to contradict what I’ve written.
 
What part of your desire to ban breeds of dogs is indicative of small government or individual freedoms?
what bs argument is this? You seem confused and unable to make an argument
 
Back
Top Bottom