Why ALL guns should be banned... (1 Viewer)

[tcmartin10]

Except for the millions of us who ARE responsible and CAN handle them. Your post is nonsensical at best.

I agree. This person probably got hyped up about a local case of a man who did not lock his guns in a gun safe so his 5 year old couldn't get into it. Or a hunting accident happened. There are a lot of gun owners where I live. And very rarely is there a case where someone was shot on accident. And I live out in the boondocks, so no one robs anyone. Cause everyone has guns.

 

[Tucker Case]

The vampires beat the zombies on deadliest warrior. perhaps we should enlist a vampire to slay this thread

This thread, seeing that it was nothing more than a joke, is the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[bowerbird]

In theory, the right to bear arms is to protect ourselves from government. Meaning is the majority of America wanted a radical change in government, citizens could upstage a revolution. The fear of a revolution and civilians with arms is what ultimately keeps us from swinging to communism. With the exception of checks and balances. But it all depends how you interpret the right to bear arms. Some people interpret it to mean that the State can have a state-sponsored militia, such as the national guard.

(((((((((((sigh))))))))))))))))) And here it is - the greatest of the American Gun Myths.

Quite frankly America should not ban guns but it SHOULD ban the misinformation and myths surrounding guns - most of which has been fermented by the Arms manufacturers

But before you accuse me of conspiracy theorising hear me out while I de-construct this myth

To protect yourself from the government - That is the essence is it not?

Okay - how is that to be accomplished?

Plan A Just stand around saying "I got a gun" - seems a little foolish while the government has control of the armed forces.
Plan B - stage a revolution - fine, good............................how? See there is more to a revolution than walking out onto a street yelling "let's get 'em". I mean there is the matter of all those armed forces you would have to face sooner or later and from what I understand some of those tanks and things are pretty big
Plan C Walk into a government office and take over - might work for a wee while but don't you think all those armed forces..........?
Plan D Start shooting people - fine - who? The local cops? The local mayor? Local congress person? The local traffic warden (well, maybe)
Plan E Hole up in your compound and dare people to come and get you - well, THAT went down well in a place called Waco

No matter how many times I pose this question - How is it that a gun will automatically, just by being in your possession, protect you from the government - I have not received a workable answer.

Then there is the more insidious and almost hidden negative side to this myth. That people become more like sheeple because they believe that owning a gun prevents the government from taking away their rights. With that panacea in the forefront of thought they are even more unwilling to challenge bad government than if they were relying on, say the use of the pen.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

(((((((((((sigh))))))))))))))))) And here it is - the greatest of the American Gun Myths.

Quite frankly America should not ban guns but it SHOULD ban the misinformation and myths surrounding guns - most of which has been fermented by the Arms manufacturers

But before you accuse me of conspiracy theorising hear me out while I de-construct this myth

To protect yourself from the government - That is the essence is it not?

Okay - how is that to be accomplished?

Plan A Just stand around saying "I got a gun" - seems a little foolish while the government has control of the armed forces.
Plan B - stage a revolution - fine, good............................how? See there is more to a revolution than walking out onto a street yelling "let's get 'em". I mean there is the matter of all those armed forces you would have to face sooner or later and from what I understand some of those tanks and things are pretty big
Plan C Walk into a government office and take over - might work for a wee while but don't you think all those armed forces..........?
Plan D Start shooting people - fine - who? The local cops? The local mayor? Local congress person? The local traffic warden (well, maybe)
Plan E Hole up in your compound and dare people to come and get you - well, THAT went down well in a place called Waco

No matter how many times I pose this question - How is it that a gun will automatically, just by being in your possession, protect you from the government - I have not received a workable answer.

Then there is the more insidious and almost hidden negative side to this myth. That people become more like sheeple because they believe that owning a gun prevents the government from taking away their rights. With that panacea in the forefront of thought they are even more unwilling to challenge bad government than if they were relying on, say the use of the pen.

The very fact that you accuse gun manufacturers of creating this conspiracy without any proof, no links, or anything, makes it a conspiracy theory.

 

[bowerbird]

The very fact that you accuse gun manufacturers of creating this conspiracy without any proof, no links, or anything, makes it a conspiracy theory.

I note you focus on one point but do not rebut the de-construction

As for the conspiracy theory - shrugs - something has to explain why Americans have a slew of illogical myths surrounding gun ownership that are rejected by most of the rest of the world

 

[Daddyo]

As for the conspiracy theory - shrugs - something has to explain why Americans have a slew of illogical myths surrounding gun ownership that are rejected by most of the rest of the world

Americans have the Constitution which fortunately isn't a myth or conspiracy theory.

Seems you folks in Australia are a prime example of why American citizens should not follow your lead and ban guns. Crime rose following your gun ban.....Crime up Down Under. America, who's murder rates are much higher already an indicator of more violent tendencies amongs some of our citizens, would see violent crime explode with such a ban.

At any rate gun ownership in America is as guarenteed as our right to free speech. It really isn't that diificult for any of you guys to check out. Take a look at some of the speeches given by our founders and it makes everything crystal clear. It was intended that our law abiding citizens always have access to guns. To protect the homeland from foreign or domestic threats as well as the individual from the ruffian.

 

[prometeus]

To protect yourself from the government - That is the essence is it not?

To this point alone:
We are the government, our family neighbors and friends. Anytime the "government fails us" in reality we fail ourselves.
We are also the armed forces and if we need protection from ourselves we are really in bad shape and perhaps should not be making ANY decisions.

To your other points, take a look at Libya, one good example, and explain how you see what is happening there.

 

[Daddyo]

Its no myth that you cannot understand the very definition of criminal. One who breaks the law will likely not follow the gun ban law. Why would you expect someone willing to rob, rape, and kill, to obey a gun law? Are you insane?

So I guess the question would be why would a criminal obey the gun ban?

 

[MaggieD]

I’ve been having second thoughts on this issue myself. Seems that there is a surge of violence lately, might be a good idea to get some of the weapons off of the street.

What gun violence is caused by registered handguns? That's the real question -- and the only one that matters. Until someone proves otherwise with credible links, I shall continue believing that crimes with guns are majorly committed using illegal firearms.

BTW, the initial post on this thread is ridiculous. (Not to you, Donc.)

 

[Donc]

What gun violence is caused by registered handguns? That's the real question -- and the only one that matters. Until someone proves otherwise with credible links, I shall continue believing that crimes with guns are majorly committed using illegal firearms.

BTW, the initial post on this thread is ridiculous. (Not to you, Donc.)

And the initial post was put up as a joke Maggie...as was the post you quoted.:mrgreen:


If you ever see me come out again gun control report the post because someones posting under my handle.

 

[Wake]

.. because gun owners are irresponsible and cannot handle them. No guns = no gun violence. It's just common sense to ban all guns.

Let's ban alcohol, cigarettes, and drugs, too.

 

[Donc]

Let's ban alcohol, cigarettes, and drugs, too.

Yeah,hows that war on drugs goin so far?:doh

 

[Wake]

Yeah,hows that war on drugs goin so far?:doh

Not so good.

But that strikes a different chord.

If we keep guns legal, why do we keep drugs illegal? Mind you, I haven't really formed a belief on this issue because not all facts have been overturned. Do you think drugs should be unbanned? As it is, guns have killed people yet keeping them legal is the plan so far. Why not legalize drugs since people have died from them/because of them? If we keep guns unbanned because the black market would explode if we did so, why not unban drugs in order to bring down the black market and quell some of the violence? If people want to harm themselves, they'll do drugs/etc whether drugs are banned or not; though I don't believe in evolution I can harshly say that evolution'll take care of them anyways.

 

[Daddyo]

Thankfully the majority of folks out there that are having second thoughts due to the rise in violence are opting to purchase and carry firearms. I am a certified NRA pistol instructor and business is booming. My biggest clients are women.

Seems they are capable of understanding that removing all guns from the earth still leaves the criminal. They are still willing to rob, rape, and kill. Only sans firearms. You will have to fight them off with your bare hands. The idea of a woman successfully fending off even a medium sized violent male is simply a pipe dream for all but the baddest girls in the world. This doesn't even take into consideration the dozens of other weapons available.

 

[Donc]

Not so good.

But that strikes a different chord.

If we keep guns legal, why do we keep drugs illegal? Mind you, I haven't really formed a belief on this issue because not all facts have been overturned. Do you think drugs should be unbanned? As it is, guns have killed people yet keeping them legal is the plan so far. Why not legalize drugs since people have died from them/because of them? If we keep guns unbanned because the black market would explode if we did so, why not unban drugs in order to bring down the black market and quell some of the violence? If people want to harm themselves, they'll do drugs/etc whether drugs are banned or not; though I don't believe in evolution I can harshly say that evolution'll take care of them anyways.

Pot should be legalized in my opinion, heroin should be legalized under strict control, mind killing meth should be prosecuted BEYOND the fullest extent of the law.:2wave:

 

[Wake]

Thankfully the majority of folks out there that are having second thoughts due to the rise in violence are opting to purchase and carry firearms. I am a certified NRA pistol instructor and business is booming. My biggest clients are women.

Seems they are capable of understanding that removing all guns from the earth still leaves the criminal. They are still willing to rob, rape, and kill. Only sans firearms. You will have to fight them off with your bare hands. The idea of a woman successfully fending off even a medium sized violent male is simply a pipe dream for all but the baddest girls in the world. This doesn't even take into consideration the dozens of other weapons available.

Agreed. I think it's reprehensible that some want to take firearms away from law-abiding citizens who wish to defen themselves and others. In fact, wouldn't it be great if grandma could actually feel more secure by being allowed to carry a registered firearm. She's old. She can't run away or fight her way out of it. Give her a gun and all she needs to do is point, aim, click. No problem imo. I myself plan to buy a firearm and get registered; why should I have to run or fight physically to defend myself from a thug who ironically won't even follow such anti-gun laws? Don't want to use insults but those people who subscribe to the opposite of your idea are anoying imo.

Pot should be legalized in my opinion, heroin should be legalized under strict control, mind killing meth should be prosecuted BEYOND the fullest extent of the law.:2wave:

I understand human rights but I also understand the detrimental effects of drugs and the added effects of drus on a society.

 

[Daddyo]

Don't want to use insults but those people who subscribe to the opposite of your idea are anoying imo.

Ironically I have found folks with the opposite idea on gun control to be good caring people. They just don't understand the criminal mind because they don't think like a criminal. They apply the actions of good just citizens to the criminal. This disconnect also makes them incapable of believing that government could easily enslave the population.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I understand human rights but I also understand the detrimental effects of drugs and the added effects of drus on a society.

Do you understand the problems associated with prohibition?

 

[Gipper]

Seems they are capable of understanding that removing all guns from the earth still leaves the criminal. They are still willing to rob, rape, and kill. Only sans firearms.

It's really not an issue anyway. They will always exist. As long as there is demand, there will always be supply.

The difference is whether you want offenders and defenders to have guns, or just offenders.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

Then count the days before you are victimized by those who know they have nothing to fear by preying upon you.

So what is this maniacal psychotic fear state where you live where people in houses without guns have all been savagely murdered by everyone around the a la mad max? Is the foundation of the social contract in your mind defined by the possession of savage instruments of murder by which to deter other people with savage weapons of murder? I hear places like japan are insane hell states of savage anarchy. :coffeepap

No really.

It's frickin savage yo.

 

[Gipper]

Ugh...I'll say it again. YOU CANNOT INVOKE JAPAN TO DEFEND ANY ARGUMENT. Any. None.

If you really want to inspect the spectrum, Switzerland has a higher gun ownership rate per capita than America. Crime there is damn near non-existent.

Guns don't kill people. Stupidity kills people. You know, like breaking into a car lot at 3am.

 

[Easy Rider]

If there were no crime at all I would still own guns simply because they're fun to shoot! But we do have some serious crime problems in our area. Home invasions are in the news almost weekly. A close friend of our is an officer in the Law Enforcement Div of the US Forest Service and told us that MS13 gangs are known to have several "camps" in the National Forest land in the area. And we live on acreage out in the boonies. We own rifles, shotguns, pistols, three tasers, two Rottweilers and a German Shepherd, and a somewhat elaborate alarm system. Sometimes... I almost wish somebody would try and break into our place just for the entertainment value... :mrgreen:

 

[American]

I note you focus on one point but do not rebut the de-construction

As for the conspiracy theory - shrugs - something has to explain why Americans have a slew of illogical myths surrounding gun ownership that are rejected by most of the rest of the world

I'm still waiting for the deconstruction. Will that be forthcoming soon?

 

[Wake]

Do you understand the problems associated with prohibition?

Yes I do. I also realize the detriment drugs have on society, among other things. SHould we make something legal just because the police as a whole aren't competent enough to keep the criminals in check?

 

[PzKfW IVe]

Some people interpret it to mean that the State can have a state-sponsored militia, such as the national guard.

Which is, of course, complete hooey.