Why Abortion should be ILLEGAL

[TheLittleLion]

Look, I get why many people fight over this subject, but I want to let you guys know how I feel. I support the right to choose. The baby's right to choose if they want to die or not. According to doctors, all life begins at the moment of conception. So doesn't that mean aborting an unborn child is terminating life? If a woman has a baby she doesn't want, why did she get pregnant in the first place. And don't say it was an accident, because if the woman really cared, she would have taken birth control and made sure a protective piece was worn. No matter what, ending a life is ending a life, it doesn't matter if your unborn or a 30 year old man. The worst part is the person dying has no control whatsoever, so until anybody can convince me otherwise, these are my beliefs.

 

[Bucky]

Look, I get why many people fight over this subject, but I want to let you guys know how I feel. I support the right to choose. The baby's right to choose if they want to die or not. According to doctors, all life begins at the moment of conception. So doesn't that mean aborting an unborn child is terminating life? If a woman has a baby she doesn't want, why did she get pregnant in the first place. And don't say it was an accident, because if the woman really cared, she would have taken birth control and made sure a protective piece was worn. No matter what, ending a life is ending a life, it doesn't matter if your unborn or a 30 year old man. The worst part is the person dying has no control whatsoever, so until anybody can convince me otherwise, these are my beliefs.

I respect this post Lion however this subsection of the forum is dominated by liberal elite extremists that deem your opinion as anti-women.

I believe in the right to choose as well. Women have the right to choose to take their clothes off, or get in the backseat of a truck, or in a bedroom with a man.

The problem with your opinion by friend, is that it makes too much sense. That's why pro-life groups in many college campuses are being silienced and banned throughout the country. Let your voice be heard my friend because their are many that want to slience you.

 

[Northern Light]

Ending a life isn't necessarily illegal. We do it all the time for various reasons, but it's not all considered murder.

So saying that "ending a life is ending a life", while true, is not a compelling reason to criminalize abortion. We do not treat all life as sacrosanct.

 

[joG]

Ending a life isn't necessarily illegal. We do it all the time for various reasons, but it's not all considered murder.

So saying that "ending a life is ending a life", while true, is not a compelling reason to criminalize abortion. We do not treat all life as sacrosanct.

Though, I cannot think of any situation, where it is allowed for a private person or the government to take another's life because it itself or a third party had made a mistake.

 

[HonestJoe]

Look, I get why many people fight over this subject, but I want to let you guys know how I feel. I support the right to choose. The baby's right to choose if they want to die or not. According to doctors, all life begins at the moment of conception. So doesn't that mean aborting an unborn child is terminating life? If a woman has a baby she doesn't want, why did she get pregnant in the first place. And don't say it was an accident, because if the woman really cared, she would have taken birth control and made sure a protective piece was worn. No matter what, ending a life is ending a life, it doesn't matter if your unborn or a 30 year old man. The worst part is the person dying has no control whatsoever, so until anybody can convince me otherwise, these are my beliefs.

I think you have a very unformed view on the subject based on some of the assertions and statements you made here. I don’t expect to change your mind but I hope you can come to learn that so many of the aspects of this topic aren’t anything like as clear cut as we might like them to be;

The idea of babies choosing is obviously ridiculous rhetoric. Even after they’re born, young children don’t make such decisions for themselves simply because they can’t. On the principle you’re presenting here, parents would be prevented from making any serious medical decisions about their children, including things that could cause their death such as risky surgery or turning off life support.

Doctors don’t say “all life begins at the moment of conception”. The question of when human life begins, even what life actually is, remains openly debated with no definitive conclusion and certainly no singular shared opinion among all “doctors”.

The idea that women only get pregnant due to their (and only their) own negligence or that abortion is only considered due to unplanned pregnancy is gross ignorance and a direct insult to a vast number of women who this difficult subject impacts directly.

Finally, you say abortion should be illegal as if criminalising it (be that for the woman or the people performing it) would stop it happening. As history and some places in the world demonstrate, all it does is ensure that when abortion does happen it’s unregulated, unmanaged, open to abuse and opportunism.

 

[FutureIncoming]

Look, I get why many people fight over this subject, but I want to let you guys know how I feel. I support the right to choose.

THAT'S A GOOD START. Unfortunately, the next thing you do is start blathering utter nonsense.

The baby's right to choose if they want to die or not.

AN UNBORN HUMAN IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM A TYPICAL BABY. It can be proved that YOU are more similar, than an unborn human is similar, to a typical baby. As a result, an unborn human is a mere-animal entity that doesn't have any rights, just like most any other mere-animal entity. Furthermore, an unborn human doesn't have the brainpower necessary to make a choice, which means that not only it doesn't have the right to make a choice, it couldn't do it even if it did have that right.

According to doctors, all life begins at the moment of conception.

YOUR DOCTORS APPEAR TO BE IGNORANT OF BACTERIA, WHICH REPRODUCE BY FISSION. Tsk, tsk!

So doesn't that mean aborting an unborn [human animal entity] is terminating life?

IT IS NO WORSE THAN TERMINATING SOME OTHER ANIMAL LIFE, like perhaps a rat.

If a woman has a baby she doesn't want, why did she get pregnant in the first place.

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF MURPHY'S LAW? Lots of things happen that folks generally prefer didn't happen.

And don't say it was an accident, because if the woman really cared, she would have taken birth control and made sure a protective piece was worn.

CONTRACEPTION IS NOT 100% EFFECTIVE. According the the Bible (story of Virgin Mary), even abstinence is not 100% effective contraception!

No matter what, ending a life is ending a life,

TRUE. But that doesn't mean it matters. How often do you swat flies and mosquitoes?

it doesn't matter if your unborn or a 30 year old man.

IGNORANTLY FALSE. The 30-year-old man is a person; the unborn human is just another mere-animal entity, much like a rat or a mosquito or a fly.

The worst part is the person dying

STATEMENT NOT APPLICABLE TO AN UNBORN HUMAN. It is totally impossible for any unborn human to qualify as a person.

has no control whatsoever, so until anybody can convince me otherwise, these are my beliefs.

IF YOU DENY FACTS, YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE YOUR MIND. But if you can accept Facts, then you might. Perhaps you could start with this list of errors commonly made by abortion opponents; most of their anti-abortion arguments derive from one or more of those errors.

 

[Excon]

Look, I get why many people fight over this subject, but I want to let you guys know how I feel. I support the right to choose. The baby's right to choose if they want to die or not. According to doctors, all life begins at the moment of conception. So doesn't that mean aborting an unborn child is terminating life? If a woman has a baby she doesn't want, why did she get pregnant in the first place. And don't say it was an accident, because if the woman really cared, she would have taken birth control and made sure a protective piece was worn. No matter what, ending a life is ending a life, it doesn't matter if your unborn or a 30 year old man. The worst part is the person dying has no control whatsoever, so until anybody can convince me otherwise, these are my beliefs.

Absent some unforeseen catastrophic natural event, there will eventually come a time where governments of the world will have to control birth rates. Unless 100% effective contraceptives are employed, forced abortion will likely be a way deal with any unexpected pregnancies at that time.

 

[Sweden]

Look, I get why many people fight over this subject, but I want to let you guys know how I feel. I support the right to choose. The baby's right to choose if they want to die or not. According to doctors, all life begins at the moment of conception. So doesn't that mean aborting an unborn child is terminating life? If a woman has a baby she doesn't want, why did she get pregnant in the first place. And don't say it was an accident, because if the woman really cared, she would have taken birth control and made sure a protective piece was worn. No matter what, ending a life is ending a life, it doesn't matter if your unborn or a 30 year old man. The worst part is the person dying has no control whatsoever, so until anybody can convince me otherwise, these are my beliefs.

You can 'believe' anything you like but you must not expect your beliefs to be enforced on others by the criminal law. Happily this will not happen, not even in the backward United States where religion still enjoys some political power.

 

[Dragonfly]

Look, I get why many people fight over this subject, but I want to let you guys know how I feel. I support the right to choose. The baby's right to choose if they want to die or not. According to doctors, all life begins at the moment of conception. So doesn't that mean aborting an unborn child is terminating life? If a woman has a baby she doesn't want, why did she get pregnant in the first place. And don't say it was an accident, because if the woman really cared, she would have taken birth control and made sure a protective piece was worn. No matter what, ending a life is ending a life, it doesn't matter if your unborn or a 30 year old man. The worst part is the person dying has no control whatsoever, so until anybody can convince me otherwise, these are my beliefs.

Oh look, another one of these threads. :roll:

Let's paraphrase this shall we?

This is what I hear you saying:

#1) I am a male - therefore it's not my fault
#2) I shall completely over-simplify this down to a rather ignorant level
#3) I shall lay 100% of all the "blame" on the whore
#4) It's obviously the "slut's" own stupidity that she's gotten herself pregnant
#5) Make it illegal because it's her fault, and I can't see it as anything other than a simple black & white issue where "I" can never be part of the problem
#6) I mean duh, I've never gotten pregnant, so how difficult is it to not get pregnant?


Did I pretty much capture your philosophy on this subject?

 

[DA60]

For the umpteenth time - there is no brain activity for at least 10-11 weeks after conception.

Without brain activity, there is no human life.

Without life, no one is 'killed' by an abortion before there is brain activity.

Abortion before brain activity is not killing...not in the slightest. You cannot kill something that is not alive.

 

[year2late]

Look, I get why many people fight over this subject, but I want to let you guys know how I feel. I support the right to choose. The baby's right to choose if they want to die or not. According to doctors, all life begins at the moment of conception. So doesn't that mean aborting an unborn child is terminating life? If a woman has a baby she doesn't want, why did she get pregnant in the first place. And don't say it was an accident, because if the woman really cared, she would have taken birth control and made sure a protective piece was worn. No matter what, ending a life is ending a life, it doesn't matter if your unborn or a 30 year old man. The worst part is the person dying has no control whatsoever, so until anybody can convince me otherwise, these are my beliefs.

I ask you one question.

How do you give rights of personhood to a fetus without diminishing the rights of the pregnant woman?

 

[JayDubya]

For the umpteenth time - there is no brain activity for at least 10-11 weeks after conception.

Irrelevant.

Without brain activity, there is no human life.

Objectively false.

Without life, no one is 'killed' by an abortion before there is brain activity.

Abortion before brain activity is not killing...not in the slightest. You cannot kill something that is not alive.

Pure bigotry completely at odds with undeniable scientific fact. You may not think that the lives of those human beings you hate (for arbitrary reasons) have value, but you cannot deny they are alive.

 

[JayDubya]

I ask you one question.

How do you give rights of personhood to a fetus without diminishing the rights of the pregnant woman?

Step one: You declare them persons by law.
Step two: There is no step two, your condition is already met.

 

[TheGoverness]

I ask you one question.

How do you give rights of personhood to a fetus without diminishing the rights of the pregnant woman?

Your answer: You can't.

 

[year2late]

Step one: You declare them persons by law.
Step two: There is no step two, your condition is already met.

Avoided the question. How do you give rights of personhood to a fetus without taking away rights from the pregnant woman.

 

[year2late]

Your answer: You can't.

Exactly.

Any person answering the question honestly should come to the same solution.

 

[calamity]

Look, I get why many people fight over this subject, but I want to let you guys know how I feel. I support the right to choose. The baby's right to choose if they want to die or not. According to doctors, all life begins at the moment of conception. So doesn't that mean aborting an unborn child is terminating life? If a woman has a baby she doesn't want, why did she get pregnant in the first place. And don't say it was an accident, because if the woman really cared, she would have taken birth control and made sure a protective piece was worn. No matter what, ending a life is ending a life, it doesn't matter if your unborn or a 30 year old man. The worst part is the person dying has no control whatsoever, so until anybody can convince me otherwise, these are my beliefs.

Well, until you can find a way to ask them and they give you an answer, I'm siding with the mother's right to choose. Everything else is just a wry attempt at anthropomorphism.

 

[calamity]

Step one: You declare them persons by law.
Step two: There is no step two, your condition is already met.

As usual, you completely discount the woman's rights in your equation...and, completely ignore the question.

 

[FutureIncoming]

Pure bigotry completely at odds with undeniable scientific fact.

SO, WHEN WILL YOU STOP DOING THAT THING, SPOUTING THE PURE BIGOTRY OF STUPID PREJUDICE? Just because some entity is "human", that doesn't make it more special than some non-human entity, like a flower.

You may not think that the lives of those [unborn] human beings ...

ONCE AGAIN YOU LIE. I keep asking you to provide some proof, or even evidence, than an unborn human qualifies as a "being" (synonymous with "person"), and you keep failing to do that simple thing. Yet you keep blathering that phrase as if somehow, somewhere, such evidence exists. WELL, WHERE IS IT??? Because as long as you keep failing to present the necessary evidence to support your claim, the only possible conclusion is that you are lying!

 

[Bucky]

Vicious and vile attacks against a new poster for expressing his/her viewpoint.

It is no suprise why college campuses are attempting to censor pro life groups and clubs.

This subsection of the forum is really turning me off. It really lacks tolerance and understanding.

 

[Bucky]

SO, WHEN WILL YOU STOP DOING THAT THING, SPOUTING THE PURE BIGOTRY OF STUPID PREJUDICE? Just because some entity is "human", that doesn't make it more special than some non-human entity, like a flower.


ONCE AGAIN YOU LIE. I keep asking you to provide some proof, or even evidence, than an unborn human qualifies as a "being" (synonymous with "person"), and you keep failing to do that simple thing. Yet you keep blathering that phrase as if somehow, somewhere, such evidence exists. WELL, WHERE IS IT??? Because as long as you keep failing to present the necessary evidence to support your claim, the only possible conclusion is that you are lying!

All you do is tell posters they are lying, their viewpoints are stupid/racist, and grunt at others. Trump has done a lot of damage to the snowflakes however I have noticed this erratic behavior from you even before Trump.

 

[RAMOSS]

For the umpteenth time - there is no brain activity for at least 10-11 weeks after conception.

Without brain activity, there is no human life.

Without life, no one is 'killed' by an abortion before there is brain activity.

Abortion before brain activity is not killing...not in the slightest. You cannot kill something that is not alive.

Until the 25 or 26 week, the brain is not developed enough to feel pain to begin with. In fact, that is after viability. As for when human life begins.. that happened over 8 million years ago...

 

[Bucky]

For the umpteenth time - there is no brain activity for at least 10-11 weeks after conception.

Without brain activity, there is no human life.

Without life, no one is 'killed' by an abortion before there is brain activity.

Abortion before brain activity is not killing...not in the slightest. You cannot kill something that is not alive.

A fetus by definition is still a "thing" even with a heartbeat.

So even if your premise is true, a fetus can be killed.

 

[RAMOSS]

A fetus by definition is still a "thing" even with a heartbeat.

So even if your premise is true, a fetus can be killed.

Yes. However, a fetus is not yet a human being.

 

[year2late]

Vicious and vile attacks against a new poster for expressing his/her viewpoint.

It is no suprise why college campuses are attempting to censor pro life groups and clubs.

This subsection of the forum is really turning me off. It really lacks tolerance and understanding.

Can you quote the post ghat is a viscious and vile post simed at the new poster?