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Why abortion is wrong. It's just this simple.

Stopandthink said:
Wouldn't an abortion be life threatening also then?
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The percentage of abortions that are 'life threatening' are at a very low level compared with pregnancy. However, after that 20 weeks, the risks do go up. That is why abortion after 20 weeks is no elective, but having to deal with specific complications that have already arisen, and it is the opinion of the doctor, working with the patient, that the risk in the pregnancy is higher than the abortion. That makes it the business of the doctor and his patient for evaluation, not mine.
 
RAMOSS said:
The percentage of abortions that are 'life threatening' are at a very low level compared with pregnancy. However, after that 20 weeks, the risks do go up. That is why abortion after 20 weeks is no elective, but having to deal with specific complications that have already arisen, and it is the opinion of the doctor, working with the patient, that the risk in the pregnancy is higher than the abortion. That makes it the business of the doctor and his patient for evaluation, not mine.
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Good then you understand that not all complications during pregnancy carry the same risks.
 
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Stopandthink said:
Good then you understand that not all complications during pregnancy carry the same risks.
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The later the pregnancy , the more risk of complication for an abortion. That is why, it should be between a woman and her doctor. That is one of the reasons I don't mind restrictions after 24 weeks, because of the potential for the fetus being viable, also the increased risk to the woman who is pregnant. However, there should always be medical considerations. Those medical issues are between a woman and her doctor.

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Korimyr the Rat said:
Pregnancy is harmful to women. That harm justifies abortion when the pregnancy is undesired. Abortion is self defense.
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It is uncommon for a man to acknowledge these truths. Well-done.
 
Stopandthink said:
Good then you understand that not all complications during pregnancy carry the same risks.
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It was always understood. It is also understood (at least on the pro-choice side) that a complication for one individual may be more severe in another and a DOCTOR is the person to decide how severe the complication is AND CAN BE for that individual.
 
Abortion is wrong...to have more than one child is wrong....
 
year2late said:
It was always understood. It is also understood (at least on the pro-choice side) that a complication for one individual may be more severe in another and a DOCTOR is the person to decide how severe the complication is AND CAN BE for that individual.
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Yes I agree but it is misrepresentation when it is stated that "all complications are life threatening"
 
Stopandthink said:
Yes I agree but it is misrepresentation when it is stated that "all complications are life threatening"
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All pregnancy complications can be life threatening.
We never know when a pregnancy can take a turn and a loved ones life will be threatened.
 
Stopandthink said:
Yes I agree but it is misrepresentation when it is stated that "all complications are life threatening"
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Well, most of the major maternal complications can be life threatening - depending on degree of complication and patient general health.

Pre-eclampsia
Eclampsia
Placenta previa
Placental abruption
DVT
pulmonary embolus
hyperemesis
Diabetes
RH disease


So, I think the poster was more accurate than not. But I am sure there are some complications of pregnancy that may NEVER EVER be life threatening, but I struggle to think of what they may be.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Things that do not have minds, thoughts and feelings, of their own cannot be the victims of anything.
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A "thing" that is biologically, physiologically, and genetically human if you are concerned about being scientifically accurate.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Things that do not have minds, thoughts and feelings, of their own cannot be the victims of anything.
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Why, that's not true, leftists can still be victims.
 
year2late said:
Well, most of the major maternal complications can be life threatening - depending on degree of complication and patient general health.

Pre-eclampsia
Eclampsia
Placenta previa
Placental abruption
DVT
pulmonary embolus
hyperemesis
Diabetes
RH disease


So, I think the poster was more accurate than not. But I am sure there are some complications of pregnancy that may NEVER EVER be life threatening, but I struggle to think of what they may be.
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I struggle to think of ANYTHING in life that may never ever be life threatening. That's kinda my point. For example would you consider getting the flu to be life threatening? Well, I think something like .12% of flu cases result in death. So yes it CAN BE depending on patient variables, but most often definitely not, therefore it is hyperbole to say that ALL flu cases are life threatening
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Pregnancy is harmful to women. That harm justifies abortion when the pregnancy is undesired. Abortion is self defense.
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Pregnancy is a perfectly normal and healthy condition. It typically involves no harm whatsoever... and any harm that occurs (when actually worthy of such a label) is the responsibility of the parents, not the kid.

The unborn kid is completely helpless and innocent and cannot attack anyone.

Calling the killing of an innocent human being - especially one that you know is helpless and innocent - "self-defense" is literally crazy.
 
tarheel said:
It is wrong to take the life of an innocent human being without proper justification.

Abortion takes the life of an innocent human being without proper justification.

Therefore abortion is WRONG!
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When someone can force you to siphon your blood continuously for the next year to whatever sick person wants it, or take one of your kidneys without anyone asking your opinion (hey, you only need one), then we can talk about forcing women to birth.

Until then, nothing -- "innocent" or not -- has a right to damage someone's body and derail their life without their consent.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
then we can talk about forcing women to birth.
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No thank you - no one wants to talk about forcing anyone to birth.

No one is proposing making anyone have kids.
 
The fact is that if you ban abortion, you are forcing women who may or may not have been impregnated against their will, but who are clearly pregnant against their wishes, are thus being forced to give birth.

Also, zygotes are not victims. In fact abortion is impossible to produce victims because victims are:

persons who got injured/hurt/killed in some manner.

And we all know that legally (and IMHO also factually) a zygote/embryo/early fetus is not a person and thus can never be a victim.

Also, to be victimized you need consciousness of being (or having had that) and it is obvious a zygote does not have that.
 
Stopandthink said:
I struggle to think of ANYTHING in life that may never ever be life threatening. That's kinda my point. For example would you consider getting the flu to be life threatening? Well, I think something like .12% of flu cases result in death. So yes it CAN BE depending on patient variables, but most often definitely not, therefore it is hyperbole to say that ALL flu cases are life threatening
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Research the issues I listed and then take them seriously.

A doctor will decide based on patient overall health and comorbidities exactly how life threatening they are .

I had several on that list - I was in very good health prior to the issues - despite having top notch medical care - accessed through excellent health care insurance - I made it through. Because of these complications, beside treatment, I also had to take nearly 6 months off work. Tell me. Do you think most women who chose abortion have great health insurance, availability and access to top level facilities as well as ability to take 6 months off work?
 
Penderyn said:
As you know, it is about the self-righteous wanting to bully women. Don't!
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It is clear that a lot of restrictions are more intent on restricting women than protecting the "sanctity of life," such as requiring parental approval or notification for an abortion, and other frivolous restrictions that make it more difficult to get an abortion but don't ban it. Banning abortion with exceptions for rape or incest makes no sense from a logical standpoint. Still, I think the majority of pro-lifers oppose abortion for honest, albeit misguided reasons.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
It is clear that a lot of restrictions are more intent on restricting women than protecting the "sanctity of life," such as requiring parental approval or notification for an abortion, and other frivolous restrictions that make it more difficult to get an abortion but don't ban it. Banning abortion with exceptions for rape or incest makes no sense from a logical standpoint. Still, I think the majority of pro-lifers oppose abortion for honest, albeit misguided reasons.
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I can only go by what I hear and read. I don't suppose anyone 'believes in' abortion as we are so frequently told we do by the self-righteous - it is often a sad necessity for the vast numbers of victims of this very nasty society - and those who want to force unwanted births on others seem to me sick bullies, whatever their subjective notion of what they are doing.
 
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