Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...[W:875,1181]

[JayDubya]

Re: Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...

Wrong.

How the **** would you go about becoming more or less of a member of a species? :roll: :doh:lamo

 

[Removable Mind]

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It belongs to no-one unless you are endorsing slavery which is illegal.

Quite the opposite. YOU ARE ENDORSING SLAVERY!

13th Amendment: Anti-abortion laws create mandatory motherhood and force "involuntary servitude," which is banned by this amendment.

Whether being forced to give birth (which is "involuntary servitude") or force to labor, support, maintain the needs, care for, raise an unwanted child...IS "INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE!'. Again, this is a violation of the 13th Amendment.

Involuntary servitude is being forced to serve another...

 

[JayDubya]

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Quite the opposite. YOU ARE ENDORSING SLAVERY!

He was quite accurate. PARENTHOOD IS NOT SLAVERY, stop derping so hard!

 

[Excon]

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How the **** would you go about becoming more or less of a member of a species? :roll: :doh:lamo

And again.
For the purposes of this discussion, one is a fetus without any rights granted to a born being. ie: Person


And this also applies to you.
It is none of your damn business what a woman does with her clump of cells/zygote/embryo/fetus.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...

He was quite accurate. PARENTHOOD IS NOT SLAVERY, stop derping so hard!

If a person is FORCED to SERVE ANOTHER...it is indeed involuntary servitude. That is against the 13th Amendment.

 

[Fedor50]

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Yes you do know. It was evident by your wrongly worded question.
One is born and one is a fetus. As you were already told.

Again, biologically, what is the difference between a human being that is born and one that is not besides its location?

You obviously cannot answer the question but I love to see pro-choicers back themselves into corners that they are unable to get out of.

Wrong.
Your unsubstantiated opinion is meaningless.

I have referenced SEVERAL medical textbooks that agree with me and state explicitly that we are human beings from moment of our conception.

YOU have only stated your opinion (that you are unable to defend) which is quite sad.

And again.
It is none of your damn business what a woman does with her clump of cells/zygote/embryo/fetus.

Her fetus?

Are you now also endorsing slavery? Are you saying that one human being owns another human being?

You just keep walking into doors. You should either learn something or abandon this debate as it is becoming very embarassing for you?

 

[JayDubya]

Re: Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...

It is none of your damn business what a woman does with her clump of cells/zygote/embryo/fetus.

It is everyone's business when one human kills another human in aggression. It is the role of government to prevent that action if possible, and always to punish the aggressor.

Our offspring are not property.

 

[JayDubya]

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If a person is FORCED to SERVE ANOTHER... it is indeed involuntary servitude.

Funny then, how I can (not saying I do) coerce my kid to get me a soda from the fridge yet she has to ask me for the same. A parent can ground their kid if they misbehave, take away all their possessions, apply corporal punishment if they feel it appropriate.

And yet, I am her SLAVE, apparently. :lamo

You're being ridiculous.

 

[Fedor50]

Re: Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...

Quite the opposite. YOU ARE ENDORSING SLAVERY!

13th Amendment: Anti-abortion laws create mandatory motherhood and force "involuntary servitude," which is banned by this amendment.

Whether being forced to give birth (which is "involuntary servitude") or force to labor, support, maintain the needs, care for, raise an unwanted child...IS "INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE!'. Again, this is a violation of the 13th Amendment.

Involuntary servitude is being forced to serve another...

So in effect, you are saying that it is slavery to FORCE a man to work in order to provide for his 7 year old daughter and his 2 year old son?

Forcing a boy to go to school could also be construed according to you, is that right?

I love arguing with you guys because the arguments that you come up with are SO EASY to dismantle and tear apart. I could do this in my sleep.

 

[Fedor50]

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If a person is FORCED to SERVE ANOTHER...it is indeed involuntary servitude. That is against the 13th Amendment.

So then it should be against the law to force human beings to work? As a matter of fact, according to you, it should be against the law to call 911 and expect the police officers to respond to your call and SERVE YOU, correct?

 

[Excon]

Re: Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...

It is everyone's business when one human kills another human in aggression. It is the role of government to prevent that action if possible, and always to punish the aggressor.

Our offspring are not property.

You are confused. As rights belong to those born. Not the unborn.
And even under your position, it is still none of your business and never will be.



And as a side note. If this world even becomes overcrowded for the available resources. The Gov will have no choice but to make abortion mandatory.
Child birth will then be nothing more than a granted privilege.

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Again, biologically, what is the difference between a human being that is born and one that is not besides its location?

You obviously cannot answer the question but I love to see pro-choicers back themselves into corners that they are unable to get out of.

:doh
Said the person not paying attention.
One is born and one is a fetus. As you were already told. (How many times has it been now?)
Birth is a biological process.

I have referenced SEVERAL medical textbooks that agree with me and state explicitly that we are human beings from moment of our conception.

YOU have only stated your opinion (that you are unable to defend) which is quite sad.

Your sad opinion is not substantiated.
Nor does your opinion matter to law, and as it doesn't, your unsubstantiated opinion is meaningless.

Her fetus?

Are you now also endorsing slavery? Are you saying that one human being owns another human being?

You just keep walking into doors. You should either learn something or abandon this debate as it is becoming very embarrassing for you?

Yes her fetus. And your irrelevant comparison is irrelevant. Trying to confuse her fetus with slavery is absurd.

The fetus is not a person.

The only valid comparison with slavery, and the only one that has any meaning, is forcing someone to carry in their body that which they do not want to.

 

[TheNextEra]

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This debate isn't about what women are doing to their own bodies. It is about what they are doing to another human being's body. The child's body does not belong to the woman, so what she is doing to the child's body isn't a thing that she is doing to her own body. Perhaps you should learn the facts before you debate this topic.

Then find a way to remove the fetus without hurting it or deal with abortion. Period. Why do't YOU learn the facts and then kindly worry about YOUR body and not the woman's. Bottom line is the courts agree with MY side and not YOURs. Deal with that.

 

[JayDubya]

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You are confused. As rights belong to those born. Not the unborn.

Only to a bigot, to someone who doesn't believe in equality.

This country was founded on the proposition that all men are created equal. You're part of the problem, I'm part of the solution.

 

[Excon]

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Only to a bigot, to someone who doesn't believe in equality.

:doh
Said the one with the inflexible opinion.

This country was founded on the proposition that all men are created equal. You're part of the problem, I'm part of the solution.

:doh
Said the one with the inflexible opinion, which is the problem.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...

:doh
Said the one with the inflexible opinion.

Oh, so you are flexible, then, on protecting the rights inherent to all human beings? Or are you inflexible in your desire to restrict personhood from the unborn? Pretty sure it's the latter.

 

[prometeus]

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Again, biologically, what is the difference between a human being that is born and one that is not besides its location?

Really? You have to ask what is the difference between one cell and an infant that sustains his or her own life functions?
Maybe you shoudl debate something that you are at least a little bit familiar with.

I have referenced SEVERAL medical textbooks that agree with me and state explicitly that we are human beings from moment of our conception.

No you have misrepresented a number of quotations.

 

[Excon]

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Oh, so you are flexible, then, on protecting the rights inherent to all human beings? Or are you inflexible in your desire to restrict personhood from the unborn? Pretty sure it's the latter.

There goes the confusion again.
A clump of cells/zygote/embryo/fetus does not have any inherent rights.


Pro-choice is flexible. A person can choose either way. Not bigoted.

Non-choice is not flexible. Bigoted.

 

[prometeus]

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So then it should be against the law to force human beings to work?

It is against the law to force human beings to work or provide services or resources without just compensation.

 

[prometeus]

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Only to a bigot, to someone who doesn't believe in equality.

This country was founded on the proposition that all men are created equal.

And they never considered a single cell as a man.

I'm part of the solution.

Extremism has never been part of solution to any problem.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...

So then it should be against the law to force human beings to work? As a matter of fact, according to you, it should be against the law to call 911 and expect the police officers to respond to your call and SERVE YOU, correct?

Do know how laughable this comment is? Persons who receive compensation for their services are not being forced to serve another. They choose to serve others for compensation. They also have the right to work in a field that isn't service related.

Silly...silly...silly argument. Do you ever think things through?

 

[Bicycle]

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Yep, and that's quite a large number, regardless of what the anti-choice crowd would like everyone to believe.

Well it would be, if it actually meant anything.

The numbers that the pro-abortion people like to push are just pap turned out to promote the murder of infants (and, ultimately, anyone else who can't protect themselves and falls afoul of more able-bodied or less scrupled people).

 

[Removable Mind]

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So in effect, you are saying that it is slavery to FORCE a man to work in order to provide for his 7 year old daughter and his 2 year old son?

Forcing a boy to go to school could also be construed according to you, is that right?

I love arguing with you guys because the arguments that you come up with are SO EASY to dismantle and tear apart. I could do this in my sleep.

I said no such thing. Can't you read?

What the hell does forcing a man to provide to his 7 year old have to do with my comment?

What the hell has forcing a boy to go to school have to do with my comment?

13th Amendment: Anti-abortion laws create mandatory motherhood and force "involuntary servitude," which is banned by this amendment.

Whether being forced to give birth (which is "involuntary servitude") or force to labor, support, maintain the needs, care for, raise an unwanted child...IS "INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE!'. Again, this is a violation of the 13th Amendment.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...

A clump of cells/zygote/embryo/fetus does not have any inherent rights.

That is wrong, and it is bigoted. You are as much a "clump of cells" as any other member of Homo sapiens.

 

[Excon]

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That is wrong, and it is bigoted.

:doh

Wrong on all counts.

But your position of non-choice is what is bigoted.

 

[OKgrannie]

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I am serious. Tell me, what magic was worked on the infant that gave it the protection of the law when it made that 7 inch journey down the birth canal. What did it become that it wasn't before? What changed besides its geographical location? (inside/outside).

Location is a fairly important consideration, just think about all the hullabaloo over children being on one side of a border or the other side.