Whose political/economic philosophy more closely aligns with your own? (2 Viewers)

[Ahlevah]

If you had to pick ONE of the following historical figures whose political and economic philosophy more closely aligns with your own, who would it be? In the discussion, please indicate why. I maxed out on options, so if you have someone else in mind, such as John Dewey (progressivism) or Murray Rothbard (anarcho-capitalism), feel free to add him. I avoided religious figures and classical schools of philosophy, because they’re generally more difficult to categorize, but if you feel the philosophy of someone like Jesus, Muhammad, or Plato should govern how people run a society, feel free to tell us why.

 

[j brown's body]

Maosm and Trumpism are beginning to blend.

Whichever one is closest to Bernie.

 

[Ahlevah]

Maosm and Trumpism are beginning to blend.

Whichever one is closest to Bernie.

Well, Bernie is a “Bern,” so I’m going to put him with Bernstein in the category of “democratic socialism”:

Eduard Bernstein (German: [ˈeːduaʁtˈbɛʁnʃtaɪn]; 6 January 1850 – 18 December 1932) was a German Marxist theorist and politician. A prominent member of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), he has been both condemned and praised as a "revisionist" who challenged major aspects of Karl Marx's thought. A key influence on the European social democratic movement, Bernstein argued for reformism over revolutionary action, and for a gradual democratization to achieve socialism.

Eduard Bernstein - Wikipedia

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[Ahlevah]

Maosm and Trumpism are beginning to blend.

Whichever one is closest to Bernie.

I had Mussolini (fascism) in there, but pulled him to make room for someone else. I didn’t think anyone here would admit to aligning with facists like Hitler or Il Duce.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Yeah, aligning your political thinking with ONE of the choices would be bonkers. One develops the political ideals from a variety of sources, many of them social, so I am NOT going to pick one that aligns with my thinking.

 

[ataraxia]

None of these, really. If I had to pick just ONE, it would probably be John Dewey.

Frontiers | Learning for democracy: some inspiration from John Dewey's idea of democracy

Citizens in a democracy must be educated because it is they who steer the ship of state (Rayees Ahmad Dar, 2021). Therefore, for a country to progress toward...

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Democracy and Education - Wikipedia

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Dewey’s Political Philosophy (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[Ahlevah]

Yeah, aligning your political thinking with ONE of the choices would be bonkers. One develops the political ideals from a variety of sources, many of them social, so I am NOT going to pick one that aligns with my thinking.

Few people would do that, including me. I mean, maybe some Islamist or Marxist-Leninist fanatic might think he would, but the question was “Whose political/economic philosophy more closely aligns with your own?”

 

[Gatsby]

None of them? No poll options for just...normie mainstream liberalism?

For economics: Henry George, John Maynard Keynes, Paul Krugman.
For political philosophy: John Stuart Mill.
For more contemporary thinkers: Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias, Noah Smith.
For a more conservative philosophy to which I am also sympathetic: G.K. Chesterton.

 

[StillBallin75]

My political philosophy is a combination of John Brown and Fred Hampton.

 

[reinaert]

Paine, George, Bakunin, Goldman, Pannekoek.

 

[Allan]

John Locke.

 

[noonereal]

If you had to pick ONE of the following historical figures whose political and economic philosophy more closely aligns with your own, who would it be? In the discussion, please indicate why. I maxed out on options, so if you have someone else in mind, such as John Dewey (progressivism) or Murray Rothbard (anarcho-capitalism), feel free to add him. I avoided religious figures and classical schools of philosophy, because they’re generally more difficult to categorize, but if you feel the philosophy of someone like Jesus, Muhammad, or Plato should govern how people run a society, feel free to tell us why.

The ansewer changes with time.
Example, Ronnie was the right guy for the 80s.
Now we are in desperate need of someone less conservative but not woke.

 

[GIJane]

Alfred E Neuman. I barely passed Econ 101.

 

[bongsaway]

Maosm and Trumpism are beginning to blend.

Whichever one is closest to Bernie.

I second that. The DNC blew that one bit time back in 2015

 

[bongsaway]

The ansewer changes with time.
Example, Ronnie was the right guy for the 80s.
Now we are in desperate need of someone less conservative but not woke.

Woke is not the negative term folks on the right try to imply. Jesus is woke if I'm to believe the Bible or am I wrong?

 

[bongsaway]

My philosophy is less on weapons more on we the people and reasonable taxes for the level at which you live. Big corporations paying no federal income tax is a disgrace and a slap in the faces of many.

 

[Ahlevah]

None of them? No poll options for just...normie mainstream liberalism?

For economics: Henry George, John Maynard Keynes, Paul Krugman.
For political philosophy: John Stuart Mill.
For more contemporary thinkers: Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias, Noah Smith.
For a more conservative philosophy to which I am also sympathetic: G.K. Chesterton.

Well, as I said, I had 10 shots, so I was trying to stick with people who best exemplified each major school of political/economic thought. I mean, is there a “normie mainstream liberalism” school best exemplified by Paul Krugman or Ezra Klein? You’re welcome to shout it out. What principles undergird this school? Capitalism but… ? What else?

 

[Ahlevah]

The ansewer changes with time.
Example, Ronnie was the right guy for the 80s.
Now we are in desperate need of someone less conservative but not woke.

I’m not convinced of that. Just respecting individual rights and freedoms while educating people to follow the Golden Rule, coupled with emphasizing each citizen’s duty to the collective, will go along way towards creating the sort of society we all want. But we won’t create a truly just society by encouraging people to forcibly use other people as a means to an end. (“You’re rich. You can afford it. Give him some of your money!”) I don’t think someone like AOC as president will ever be a good idea, because socialism is a surefire path to serfdom and poverty.

 

[Ahlevah]

My philosophy is less on weapons more on we the people and reasonable taxes for the level at which you live. Big corporations paying no federal income tax is a disgrace and a slap in the faces of many.

Democrats keep telling us that corporations don’t pay tariffs, because it’s a form of taxation that’s passed along to people who buy their goods or services. So why would corporations pay some taxes but not others?

 

[noonereal]

Woke is not the negative term folks on the right try to imply. Jesus is woke if I'm to believe the Bible or am I wrong?

Sorry, woke ran amock. This has ZERO to do with Jesus or any religion.

Where in the Bible does it say men should play sport with little girls when they feel like it or white men always go to the back of the line?

 

[Ahlevah]

Woke is not the negative term folks on the right try to imply. Jesus is woke if I'm to believe the Bible or am I wrong?

Jesus believed in love and compassion, and uplifting “marginalized” people such as the poor and lame. I don’t think he would have required employees of his company to attend PowerPoint presentations, or instituted hiring “goals” at someone else’s expense. He ran a sort of “Amway for Believers,” accepting all comers who adhered to a few basic rules, like taking a bath. AOC could still quote Him, however:

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” (Mark 10:25)

 

[Nickyjo]

If you had to pick ONE of the following historical figures whose political and economic philosophy more closely aligns with your own, who would it be? In the discussion, please indicate why. I maxed out on options, so if you have someone else in mind, such as John Dewey (progressivism) or Murray Rothbard (anarcho-capitalism), feel free to add him. I avoided religious figures and classical schools of philosophy, because they’re generally more difficult to categorize, but if you feel the philosophy of someone like Jesus, Muhammad, or Plato should govern how people run a society, feel free to tell us why.

Combo of Karl Marx, Adam Smith, Jesus Christ and Aristotle. Marx, for his call for workers to unite, which they did in many countries and lost their chains, tho not with the other results Karl predicted. Adam Smith, because in a way greed is indeed good, as Gordon Gecko told us. And Jesus when he commanded us to welcome strangers, clothe the naked, feed the hungry, etc., to qualify for heaven.

And I’d take Aristotle over that fascist Plato any day.

 

[SkyChief]

John Locke.

Interestingly, Thomas Jefferson's classic liberalism (and the Founding Fathers' rationale for declaring independence from His Majesty King George III) was based on John Locke's natural rights (Life, Liberty, Property).

 

[bongsaway]

Democrats keep telling us that corporations don’t pay tariffs, because it’s a form of taxation that’s passed along to people who buy their goods or services. So why would corporations pay some taxes but not others?

Can you show me where you got such info? Of course you can't.

 

[bongsaway]

Sorry, woke ran amock. This has ZERO to do with Jesus or any religion.

Where in the Bible does it say men should play sport with little girls when they feel like it or white men always go to the back of the line?

I think the GOP blew woke way out of proportion for the sake of propaganda. Is caring about others woke? Equality is work? The right is fighting against all the things that makes America great, I do not grok?