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Whose History? Not mine.

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The recent skirmishes between anti fascists and fascists have sent ripples across the world, and here in the United States we felt them predominantly emanating from the South, where Nazis fought to preserve "history." I see that white nationalists are attempting to communicate something, and failing. Here is my theory of how to best understand what happened based on the receding perspective of history.

If a white nationalist says she wants to ensure that her side of history is not erased, then she might be right about a statue being a monument of historical significance. A monument may be installed anywhere there is sufficient space: a large foyer, the side of a mountain, inside a museum, etc. But, the white nationalist will argue, for example, if creationism should not be taught in school, then why should evolution? If fascists are blamed for violence at protests, why aren't counterprotesting anti-fascists also blamed? These Nazis were not the first to paint themselves victims, and they even enlisted the ACLU to protect them, an organization which is supposed to defend civil liberty, not fascism. Shame on you, ACLU. Get your **** together, god damn it. You're embarrassing.

The most important differences between the history of fascism in the USA, and the history of other things arise from cultural sources. Students used to take a civics course, and the closest analog is now known as "social" studies. We study our society, other cultures, and read about history if we want to graduate from high school with much more than our names on pieces of paper.

Unite the Right will not be commemorated with public monuments. There will be no need to erect statues in public areas, for all to see the struggle of the Nazi. Still, we are not "erasing history," because while we do want to erase the central dogma of fascism, we will always remember the smell of it. You will be forgiven again, and again, as long as your actions are not criminal, like the Nazi sympathizer who attacked protesters in Charlottesville. There will always be someone to forgive you, but we do not forget the cruel intolerance of your dogma.

We should erase Nazi culture from our way of life. It is un-American to discriminate against someone because of their race.

Some more thoughts:

Red Pill: The very name evokes imagery from a science fiction movie where the last remaining refuge of humanity is named after the Jewish "Zion." Need I say more? Firmly and publicly reject fascism in the name of the American people.

Men's Rights: This will separate the men from the boys. MRA's do not appreciate being abused and disenfranchised because of their gender. The same goes for race and creed. Firmly and publicly reject fascism in the name of the American people.

3rd Wave Feminism and SJW's: It is not difficult for them to engage in virtue signalling. Yet modern feminists engage in identity politics like fascists do. Many of their leaders are opinionated, white people, like fascist leaders. They constantly victimize themselves and circulate hateful rhetoric about their targets.

What is the difference between oppressive feminism and fascism? It is a well documented, historical fact that fascism has oppressed various groups. That is why we reject it. But feminism has very recently taken an oppressive, chauvinistic, and fascistic turn.

When fascists say that they don't want their history to be erased, they do not only mean that the Second World War has been forgotten. They mean that they want their oppressive dogma to be preserved in our publicly funded institutions. Americans should take action to repair international bonds and ensure domestic tranquility. How we do that varies, but we can agree that fascism is not the right way.
 
...All that nonsense and word salad just to get to this blind conjecture of "feminists are the REAL Nazis." :roll:

I want my 2 minutes back.
 
But, the white nationalist will argue, for example, if creationism should not be taught in school, then why should evolution?

Actually, many Christian fundamentalists argue this. Are you actually asserting that all Christian fundamentalists are White?

(1.) If fascists are blamed for violence at protests, why aren't counterprotesting anti-fascists also blamed? (2.)These Nazis were not the first to paint themselves victims, and they even enlisted the ACLU to protect them, an organization which is supposed to defend civil liberty, not fascism. Shame on you, ACLU. Get your **** together, god damn it. You're embarrassing.

1. That's actually a good question, because it usually takes 2 sides for there to be a fight, but only one to perpetrate a beat-down.

2. The ACLU's role is to protect civil rights. They are famous for taking a stand for free speech in Skokie Illinois in 1978...for who? The Nazis.

In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie , where many Holocaust survivors lived. The notoriety of the case caused some ACLU members to resign, but to many others the case has come to represent the ACLU's unwavering commitment to principle. In fact, many of the laws the ACLU cited to defend the group's right to free speech and assembly were the same laws it had invoked during the Civil Rights era, when Southern cities tried to shut down civil rights marches with similar claims about the violence and disruption the protests would cause.
https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

I supported that back then for the same reasons I still do today. Freedom of expression is best exemplified when you can still allow expression even when you don't agree with it.

IMO the true shame rests with anyone who thinks that only speech they find acceptable should be protected. The problem with that view is it is a two edged sword usable against you if the majority decides YOUR speech is now "hate speech."

We should erase Nazi culture from our way of life. It is un-American to discriminate against someone because of their race.

Again, when you make such statements you are trying to draw a bright line regarding individual liberty. We have laws against employment discrimination already. But freedom of association is still a personal choice. People also have right to think, believe, and make choices on who the will or will not marry, date, or otherwise personally associate with. People make these personal choices in all aspects of their personal lives. You would regulate that choice? Or is there some limit to your restrictions on Free choice?


Red Pill: The very name evokes imagery from a science fiction movie where the last remaining refuge of humanity is named after the Jewish "Zion." Need I say more? Firmly and publicly reject fascism in the name of the American people.

Men's Rights: This will separate the men from the boys. MRA's do not appreciate being abused and disenfranchised because of their gender. The same goes for race and creed. Firmly and publicly reject fascism in the name of the American people.

3rd Wave Feminism and SJW's: It is not difficult for them to engage in virtue signalling. Yet modern feminists engage in identity politics like fascists do. Many of their leaders are opinionated, white people, like fascist leaders. They constantly victimize themselves and circulate hateful rhetoric about their targets.

What is the difference between oppressive feminism and fascism? It is a well documented, historical fact that fascism has oppressed various groups. That is why we reject it. But feminism has very recently taken an oppressive, chauvinistic, and fascistic turn.

When fascists say that they don't want their history to be erased, they do not only mean that the Second World War has been forgotten. They mean that they want their oppressive dogma to be preserved in our publicly funded institutions. Americans should take action to repair international bonds and ensure domestic tranquility. How we do that varies, but we can agree that fascism is not the right way.

The rest of this confuses me. It seems contrary to your original position, although it is in keeping with my understanding that many of those in the Progressive-Left use totalitarian methodologies and ideals to achieve their socialist goals.

I can only assume from this contradiction that you are asking everyone to reject both extremes, and if so I can agree. As long as individual rights to freedom of association and freedom of expression are not stifled.
 
...All that nonsense and word salad just to get to this blind conjecture of "feminists are the REAL Nazis." :roll:

I want my 2 minutes back.

No, I didn't indicate that feminists are more Nazis than white nationalists. They share a common goal: to oppress ethnic men. White feminist women benefit from exposure via feminism (or feminist gatherings, or relationships influenced by feminism) as much, if not more than women of color. White nationalists probably imagine they desire equality just like feminists want equality. There are differences, but at the end of the day, men don't benefit from it. Ethnic men in particular stand to be repressed by feminists and white nationalists alike.

Don't get your panties in a twist just because you know I'm always right.
 
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