WcBeasley
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Serious Question ...for mods ao anyone regarding this thread?
I am probably offbase as i do not believe that anyone with capability on this forum would intentional bother to "adjust polls". Last night the poll had Biden ahead by about 20+ votes and suddenly about 60 votes came on for Ryan in about one minute.
it certainly is possible this poll tally is correct yet there were only about 6 posters on the thread.
Can anyone explain this?
As I said ... it very well could be correct and I am missing something and in the grand scheme it does not matter yet I found it odd and out of character or typical of a Debate Politics poll. Any thoughts anyone?
We have Biden at 24 and Ryan at about 6 and within a few minutes Ryan had votes of about 64. Was it just a rush after the debate or a forum malfunction?
that's interesting; i wasn't aware that people could log out to vote multiple times.
considering that, the results of this poll are quite different.
Biden : 41 member votes / 44 hidden
Ryan : 29 member votes / 128 hidden
not that i'm arguing that partisans on both sides don't do this in every single poll, you understand.
The poll makes no sense ...
Well, makes it tuff since you didn't understand the concept of those who are behind Daily Kos. Although, it shouldn't have been so tuff to put 2 and 2 together. Must have been the Numbers.....huh? :doh
I think it was even in terms of points, Ryan looked more professional. I think what helped Biden the most was after the napalming Obama took Biden didn't get destroyed. Ryan's biggest failings was not really hammering Biden's really dumb comments such as the most serious sanctions and the Libyan knowledge thing
Yeah, but more complimentary jokes as a result of these kind of performances. Ryan came over as being way out of his depth.
So who do you think won the debate?
I'll bet Romney told him to maintain his dignity and be polite the entire time. Result: Ryan showed Biden great respect, and always called him Mr Vice President. He didn't raise his voice. He did well for a first timer, against a veteran. He didn't even get close to being stomped by Biden, and did pretty well on foreign issues given Biden's higher level of experience. For now I'm calling it a draw, because some will like Biden's behavior. I think most won't, but we'll see in the next few days.
working class folk who don't understand numbers/facts but only emotion.
Give us a break. All the local polls here(which have a far bigger sampling than 381) shown Ryan got his ass handed to him. You fanatics would claim any debate your candidate showed up at was a victory. The fact you aren't claiming an overwhelming victory is a good indication you know you really lost.
Bull****. Biden and Romney's styles are certainly different to an extent because they are different people, but what's ridiculous is conservatives pretending that they wouldn't have applauded Ryan or Romney if they had the same style as Biden. Biden and Romney were aggressive within their personalities. Romney laughed at Obama as Obama laughed at him. Romney interrupted Obama and the moderator as Joe Biden interrupted Ryan and, to a lesser extent, the moderator. The similarities in their style were more numerous than their differences. All this, "Biden was rude" bull**** is just that. It's a joke. Republicans can be aggressive, they can scream at Obama and call him a liar, but the minute a Democrat does anything close, it's all about rudeness.Here's a happy looking person
Here's another happy looking person
There's a distinct difference between the two and the type of reaction someone would have towards that happiness.
Same can be said for aggression. Aggression is not some on/off switch, it is not a binary thing where it's either 0 or 1, there's degree's and levels.
There was nothing in the Romney / Obama debate that was anywhere close to Romney going "That's a bunch of stuff!". I'd challenge you to find even half as many instances of Romney simply laughing over what Obama was stating. I'd implore you, count the number of times Biden rolled his eyes or rolled his head back in condenscending mock frustration and then count the number of times Romney did similar. Even count the amount of times Romney talked over and interrupted Obama comparitive to the Biden one.
Yes, Romney was aggressive in his debate style. However, to suggest it is similar in aggression to what Biden did is like saying that an air soft bullet is comparable to a .44 magnum in terms of their damaging power. Whether or not that's problematic on the point of Biden is a matter of opinion and will be something to see as polls come out. But to suggest that there is some inconsistency in people liking the way Romney was aggressive but disliking the way Biden was is patentedly ridiculous.
Biden's sneering - and everyone talking about it - might reduce the acceptability of how hard Obama can go on the attack - where before this debate everyone on both sides fully expected him to do so. The Obama-Biden team is starting to risk coming across as extremely arrogant - Obama seeing himself as to above it all to bother with and Biden so sneering down old man.
THE DUMBEST moment in the debate was Biden RAGING that it is irrelevant if Iran obtains enough material to make atomic bombs because "they have nothing to put it into to make a bomb!!!!" Over and over.
That is sooooo ignorant it hard to explain as it is a known simplistic technology back to the very first atomic bomb. Put two halves of enough material for an atomic bomb at each end of a pipe with an explosive charge behind both -
A day ago I wondered here if the right would be as honest in assessing a poor performance by their man the way the left did with Obama. I doubted that they would.
The reaction from the right tonight confirms that.
The CNN poll had Ryan beating Biden, 48 to 44 percent.
On substance it was a virtual wash, but Biden came across as pushy and disrespectful.
Personally, I don't think anybody came out ahead.
Umm, seems you've that backwards...
Ryan: 44%
Biden: 53‰
Poll: Who Do You Think Won the VP Debate? - U.S. Election 2012 - CNBC
By the way, you still haven't answered ... what did I claim Obama won? Don't pull a "Ryan" on me ... answer the question ...
Meh.
Obama was far too polite to Romney who was very aggressive, and at times disrespectful. Biden gave a little bit back.
Before the debates, I figured there would be some good cop/bad cop routines played out as there often are, and especially from the Democratic side, I am not surprised. Obama wanted to appear calm and presidential while Biden's role was to play the role Obama couldn't.
Reading through the various comments in these sorts of threads, I find myself wondering if these are the first debates people have ever seen? Seems par for the course so far.
I think you misunderstood my post. I agree with the CNN poll on what the general populace might vote and this is not about opinion ... I am referencing the DP poll where Biden went from being ahead by almost 20 votes to Ryan in less than a minute collecting 60 votes ahead. I thought it was a forum malfunction.
Did anyone else notice this?
Meh.
Obama was far too polite to Romney who was very aggressive, and at times disrespectful. Biden gave a little bit back.
Before the debates, I figured there would be some good cop/bad cop routines played out as there often are, and especially from the Democratic side, I am not surprised. Obama wanted to appear calm and presidential while Biden's role was to play the role Obama couldn't.
If the roles were reversed and it was Ryan who was constantly interrupting, laughing, and being snarky, I would have been disgusted.
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