Who won the debate?

[skeptic llc]

well friends of mine who know the industry talk about the amount of energy it takes to create a car battery and then the deleterious nature of disposing of them when they are worn out. My brother has a Tesla-claims its the best car he ever owned (he has had a BMW, a Maserati, and a Mercedes IIRC).

I have trouble commenting on that because there is so much clear disinformation on the topic. However, personally I don't worry much about disposal of anything. In a couple decades I have faith science will be at the point where we look at all our landfills as valuable sources of minerals/resources. That's why I never side with anyone (e.g., environmentalists) who panics about landfills or disposing of nuclear waste ("it will last 10,000 years", blah blah, etc.)

 

[Juks]

No one won and maybe that is a winning for Biden, I don’t know. I would say that the voters won if I wasn’t so disappointed on that non of them gave any answers on how they are going to implement their key issues. It was mostly propaganda. That I wouldn’t get any answers from Trump was expected, he doesn’t have a clue. But Biden didn’t try to give any answers either. For example: To redirect the main economy away from fossil fuels requires compensations and incitements for the industry, both workers and companies. Instead he lied about his view on fracking and toned down his politics. No answers on how anywhere to be found.


But who am I kidding, no one is listening anyway. American voters are only interesting in appearance and external attributes. Who looks mostly like a winner, that is the key question. In which case I agree, it was a tie but Biden is the winner of a tie.

 

[ETC]

Oh, absolutely and honestly. He's textbook as far as I can tell, it's not really a question. Caveat: the sociopath/psychopath distinction is above my pay grade, as I never could sort out conflicting interpretations. That said, a number of years ago I inadvertently discovered the traits of a psychopath/sociopath corresponded almost exactly with a coworker who mattered to my career. So I read about a dozen books on it. One takeaway was that this profile is actually not too uncommon, and especially in the business world. Another was that "normal" people often dismiss the possibility because they can't conceive of someone having such a different makeup than their own.

Telling traits of psychopathy (and examples/explanation), in relevant part: grandiose sense of self worth ("No one is more [XYZ] than me"); need stimulation/prone to boredom (doesn't read, no attention span); pathological lying (self-explanatory); manipulative (Art of the Deal -- figure out what someone wants and then promise it to them; start with outrageous demands as a negotiating tactic); remorseless (never admits mistakes); lack of empathy (separating children from parents -- "good"); promiscuous/poor behavioral control (literally pays off porn stars he bangs, even while married); won't accept responsibility for own actions ("I don't take responsibility at all"); many short-term marital relationships (duh).

He's a psychopath. If you want to understand him better, read up on psychopaths.

No he is not a psychopath though he has a somewhat narcissistic personality he is still driven to success and is very good at being president even with that personality. Dems are so focused on that they are blind to his success or just flat out ignore it in anger.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

what? are you saying that evil people don't go to church? ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition? The Klan was full of church goers.

I said people who worship evil cannot be Christians.

 

[George50]

and what fuel powers the generators that charge up those cars?

Not oil. It is responsible for only 1/2 of 1% (0.5%) of electric power generation in the US. Again, oil is toast.

 

[skeptic llc]

OK, rather than discuss something that neither one of us has a doctorate in, tell me why I should vote for a guy I think is both senile, and is nothing more than a placeholder for a radical leftist whose schemes are deleterious to just about everything I support or want.

I don't pretend to speak for all viewpoints. PERSONALLY, I think if you view Biden as senile and his policy goals as harmful (with neither position striking me as unreasonable, even though I don't share them), the reason to vote for Biden is that Trump has the inclination and the (pardon the approximate phrasing) animal cunning to convert our country into an authoritarian one under his rule. This is what he wants. It terrifies me. As I said on another thread, even if Trump promoted EVERYTHING else I believe in, this is why I would vote against him. We are not dealing with a principled person who follows the rules here. He wants to be the Putin of the US; he *admires* that &*^%.

 

[TurtleDude]

I said people who worship evil cannot be Christians.

well that is very different than going to church.

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't pretend to speak for all viewpoints. PERSONALLY, I think if you view Biden as senile and his policy goals as harmful (with neither position striking me as unreasonable, even though I don't share them), the reason to vote for Biden is that Trump has the inclination and the (pardon the approximate phrasing) animal cunning to convert our country into an authoritarian one under his rule. This is what he wants. It terrifies me. As I said on another thread, even if Trump promoted EVERYTHING else I believe in, this is why I would vote against him. We are not dealing with a principled person who follows the rules here. He wants to be the Putin of the US; he *admires* that &*^%.

I find that bordering on the paranoid.

 

[ETC]

I don't pretend to speak for all viewpoints. PERSONALLY, I think if you view Biden as senile and his policy goals as harmful (with neither position striking me as unreasonable, even though I don't share them), the reason to vote for Biden is that Trump has the inclination and the (pardon the approximate phrasing) animal cunning to convert our country into an authoritarian one under his rule. This is what he wants. It terrifies me. As I said on another thread, even if Trump promoted EVERYTHING else I believe in, this is why I would vote against him. We are not dealing with a principled person who follows the rules here. He wants to be the Putin of the US; he *admires* that &*^%.

how the heck do you know what he wants XD u a mind reader 0_0
he wants to be successful in the job he has as president and your picking up and eating all that russian crap

 

[ETC]

I said people who worship evil cannot be Christians.

who is worshiping evil? what did i miss

 

[TurtleDude]

who is worshiping evil? what did i miss

much of hollywood?

 

[Logician Man]

erm u know your right you probably cant distinguish a panicked dem from a non panicked dem

yeah I'm 16 and knowing that other youth follow media blindly scares me

At 16 years of age, what are your credentials to determine as to whether or not Trump is a psychopath? I ask because you are on record in this thread as professing he isn't.

 

[skeptic llc]

No he is not a psychopath though he has a somewhat narcissistic personality he is still driven to success and is very good at being president even with that personality. Dems are so focused on that they are blind to his success or just flat out ignore it in anger.

As I said in a different post, I have only read a dozen or so books on the topic -- I'm far from an expert. It appears to me that when you look at the criteria, his personality sort of jumps off the page as an obvious example. He had his advisors all sit around a table and give mini-speeches on how great he was. It's a weird sort of mental illness (or whatever one categorizes psychopathy as), but he's not exactly hiding it. If you know more than me and post in good faith, please provide other/different information, I always prefer to understand reality accurately.

 

[George50]

YES, u know why? WE GETTING BACK TO OUR LIVES

Unfortunately Trump’s anti mask and anti testing positions are hurting that effort and the pandemic is getting worse as a result. Some other countries are actually back to near normal. We are not. Trump is lying when he says we are turning the corner. He is trying to make people believe the pandemic is going away.

 

[Logician Man]

who is worshiping evil? what did i miss

Define 'evil' in your own words.

 

[ajn678]

yeah I'm 16 and knowing that other youth follow media blindly scares me

This explains why you generally have no idea what is going on.

 

[skeptic llc]

I find that bordering on the paranoid.

Really? But "they're going to take my guns" or "socialists are trying to take over" is not? I do not consider it paranoid to fear any plausible existential threats to our freedom, regardless of which way the political wind blows. Countries that were free become not free; the unthinkable becomes real. All of us, on both sides of the aisle, must be vigilant.

 

[ETC]

Unfortunately Trump’s anti mask and anti testing positions are hurting that effort and the pandemic is getting worse as a result. Some other countries are actually back to near normal. We are not. Trump is lying when he says we are turning the corner. He is trying to make people believe the pandemic is going away.

no he knows its here and he has said so many times which is why we are opening up

 

[ETC]

This explains why you generally have no idea what is going on.

again I have a brain and I know how to use it, thanks for attacking my age

 

[TurtleDude]

This explains why you generally have no idea what is going on.

seems he has a better handle than lots of older posters-including some who have changed their positions constantly

 

[ajn678]

Opinions noted, not shared.

This is not an opinion. They are statements made by Trump that are either true or false. And they are all false.

 

[Logician Man]

Really? But "they're going to take my guns" or "socialists are trying to take over" is not? I do not consider it paranoid to fear any plausible existential threats to our freedom, regardless of which way the political wind blows. Countries that were free become not free; the unthinkable becomes real. All of us, on both sides of the aisle, must be vigilant.

 

[Ginger Ale]

I don't like either of them but we have to get a handle on Covid, and it's clear Trump isn't capable. So, Biden, it is. At least there's hope to be had in that direction. We are failing miserably dealing with a pandemic, and our economic future depends on handling it well.

There really is nothing else to talk about, they should have just had an hour-long debate on how to get a handle on Covid. Nothing else matters anymore.

 

[ETC]

As I said in a different post, I have only read a dozen or so books on the topic -- I'm far from an expert. It appears to me that when you look at the criteria, his personality sort of jumps off the page as an obvious example. He had his advisors to all sit around a table and give mini-speeches on how great he was. It's a weird sort of mental illness (or whatever one categorizes psychopathy as), but he's not exactly hiding it. If you know more than me and post in good faith, please provide other/different information, I always prefer to understand reality accurately.

List off some basic traits of a psychopath and we will go from there

 

[skeptic llc]

how the heck do you know what he wants XD u a mind reader 0_0
he wants to be successful in the job he has as president and your picking up and eating all that russian crap

Cozying up to dictators, saying great things about them, rejecting checks on his power (e.g., not letting subordinates testify to congress), installing yes men in positions that are traditionally independent, declaring " When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's got to be. It's total.", refusing to say he will peacefully cede power to the next president, installing unelected family members in key positions of governmental power, etc. It's not subtle.