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Who won the debate?

Who won?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 38 30.2%

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 72 57.1%

  • Neither

    Votes: 9 7.1%

  • Both

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • Kristen Welker

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • Total voters
    126
TurtleDude said:
so tell me your expertise on infectious diseases and the impact that shutting down businesses will do on an economy. After that, tell me what having thousands of businesses closed with perhaps 60% of the diners and restaurants never coming back does to the mental health of their owners and employees.
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If you listen to the experts, he has done an awful job. The simple fact that he tried to pretend it was going away in March and basically ignoring the idea of putting on masks means he did a bad job by itself. The fact that we have such high numbers still is the main reason that businesses have to remain closed. The fact that tons of Trump supporters literally think wearing masks is nothing more than a violation of their rights is a big reason that businesses are still closed. If people would take more personal responsibility and didn't have to be forced by the government to put in reasonable precautions for their and other people's safety. We might have been able to open up at a somewhat reasonable level.

No one with a reasonable grasp of reality would say that Trump did anything but a horrible job dealing with COVID.
 
TurtleDude said:
you're wrong. If someone says they did a good job that is an opinion. and given we only have how obama handled the flu, Trump has a decent argument to stand on. You cannot prove he did a bad job and more importantly, you cannot come close to proving Trump didn't believe what he said.
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It's not an opinion. Opinions are things like Trump's favorite album or Trump's favorite Mcdonald's meal item. How a leader handled a global pandemic is not an opinion. We can judge it by how the rest of the countries in the world did. Obama's handling of H1N1 was obviously dependent on how deadly it was, therefore it wasn't so important to shut things down like this. A shame you just parrot what Trump says now.
 
HennyBogan said:
Not quite, I have a gorgeous hot chick that ties them whilst she is choking!
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Perhaps if you took a shower once in a while it wouldn't cause such a reaction.
 
ajn678 said:
Perhaps if you took a shower once in a while it wouldn't cause such a reaction.
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Better to not respond to the KKK at all IMO, let them choke their chickens in private without drawing anyone's attention.
 
Lucky 1 said:
The only poll that matters will be the election.....and its looking more and more like Trump will cruise to re-election.
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As the days go on and we get closer to the election, it looks the exact opposite of what you think.
 
skeptic llc said:
IMO, Trump won strategically when Biden made his comments about the oil industry. The comments were obviously true, but YOU CAN'T SAY THAT. And honestly, the first time I wondered if his aging is affecting his faculties is when that happened -- how the F did he not stick to his talking points there? But then again, I guess the occasional inexplicable gaffe has always been his thing.
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SOMEONE needed to say that finally.

If we all ignore the problem because it's too politically dangerous, we'll lose more time.
 
Hari Seldon said:
How do they per pay their taxes? Can you give me an example. I have found over the years the wealthy take aggressive positions when it comes to tax law and end up paying later or not at all.
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You should ask this question of one of the accountants who posts here. And Google. Well, and you should stop overgeneralizing too.
 
nota bene said:
You should ask this question of one of the accountants who posts here. And Google. Well, and you should stop overgeneralizing too.
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In other words you don't know and have parroted something you heard. I think Lutherf is a CPA in Arizona with a public practice. Be interesting to hear his take. How am I overgeneralizing?
 
Hari Seldon said:
In other words you don't know and have parroted something you heard. I think Lutherf is a CPA in Arizona with a public practice. Be interesting to hear his take. How am I overgeneralizing?
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What I heard is from the accountant who is a member of my household and who explained to me that her former employer, who owns 30+ Subways, routinely pre-paid and that this is common among the very wealthy. Thanks for playing.
 
nota bene said:
What I heard is from the accountant who is a member of my household and who explained to me that her former employer, who owns 30+ Subways, routinely pre-paid and that this is common among the very wealthy. Thanks for playing.
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its correct-you pay based on last year's income. So if your income in 2018 was 2 million, and say (this is just for the purpose of this discussion) your taxes on 2 million was 600K , in 2019, you will pay 150K a quarter. If, when you file your taxes for 2019, in April 2020, and it turns out you only made 1.6 in 2019, you will have a credit for 2020. If you made 2.4 million, you will have to pay some more (twice on April 15-one for a quarterly payment for 2020, and a make up 2019)
 
nota bene said:
What I heard is from the accountant who is a member of my household and who explained to me that her former employer, who owns 30+ Subways, routinely pre-paid and that this is common among the very wealthy. Thanks for playing.
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I’m not wealthy by any means, but I had to prepay my city taxes based on my previous year earnings.
 
nota bene said:
What I heard is from the accountant who is a member of my household and who explained to me that her former employer, who owns 30+ Subways, routinely pre-paid and that this is common among the very wealthy. Thanks for playing.
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Income tax or corporate tax? Are they LLC's, Partnerships, S Corps, C Corps (I doubt) or simply a schedule C? It was reported he has only $750 or less for the last few years. He also has filed for millions in refunds for prior years which the IRS seems to have a problem with. He is saying those are the prepaid taxes which is bullshit. Now I am NOT talking about current year taxes which are paid via quarterly estimates. They are not "prepaid" in any way shape or form as they are due in the current year. Thanks for playing I heard it from an accountant.
 
TurtleDude said:
its correct-you pay based on last year's income. So if your income in 2018 was 2 million, and say (this is just for the purpose of this discussion) your taxes on 2 million was 600K , in 2019, you will pay 150K a quarter. If, when you file your taxes for 2019, in April 2020, and it turns out you only made 1.6 in 2019, you will have a credit for 2020. If you made 2.4 million, you will have to pay some more (twice on April 15-one for a quarterly payment for 2020, and a make up 2019)
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Honest question as you're a lawyer (dunno if you're a tax specialist) - what if one doesn't pay estimated tax? The IRS says one owes estimated tax if (1) the total tax less withholding is over $1,000, (2) withholding and estimated payments is less than 90% of the total tax, and (3) withholding is less than 100% of the previous year's total tax (110% if the AGI was over $150,000, or $75,000 if married and filing separately). If those conditions apply and one doesn't pay sufficient estimated tax, they are assessed a penalty. If one pays the penalty and tax owed by the return due date, AFAIK there is no other consequence. If so, it would seem advantageous to not pay estimated tax if that money can be invested to earn at least as much as the penalty. That would even result in more tax ultimately being paid.
 
Phys251 said:
Even by the abysmally low standards that trump has set, that was a jaw-dropper.

It just goes to show us what a malicious sadist trump is.
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I was watching and thought "did he REALLY say that or is my hearing going?" What a piece of shit.
 
CHuDWah said:
Honest question as you're a lawyer (dunno if you're a tax specialist) - what if one doesn't pay estimated tax? The IRS says one owes estimated tax if (1) the total tax less withholding is over $1,000, (2) withholding and estimated payments is less than 90% of the total tax, and (3) withholding is less than 100% of the previous year's total tax (110% if the AGI was over $150,000, or $75,000 if married and filing separately). If those conditions apply and one doesn't pay sufficient estimated tax, they are assessed a penalty. If one pays the penalty and tax owed by the return due date, AFAIK there is no other consequence. If so, it would seem advantageous to not pay estimated tax if that money can be invested to earn at least as much as the penalty. That would even result in more tax ultimately being paid.
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No, I am not nor I ever was a tax attorney. I know enough to know I don't know enough so I have a professional do my taxes. I do what my CPA and my tax attorney advise.
 
DiAnna said:
Give it a rest. Get out of high school, learn what is really going on in the world, learn how to speak English, then when you are finally 18, vote for whoever you want without acting like a complete and utter idiot... or not. It's not like you are really a grown up who understands reality. Play the "dem" idiocy card; nobody cares. Nobody cares about the right-wing talking points you spout either. It is all partisan foolishness. Real people are affected by this virus, real people have lost family members, people they loved, and real people understand that Trump doesn't give a fat flying fig about anyone except himself and his rich friends.

If you wish to encourage and exhilarate that sick stupidity, go for it... and pay for it when the votes are counted.
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Well they sure as all hell gobbled up that Parkland buffoon, and it wasn't just kids either.
 
The Mark said:
SOMEONE needed to say that finally.

If we all ignore the problem because it's too politically dangerous, we'll lose more time.
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This is not about ignoring the problem. It is about making a statement likely to cost Biden voters on the eve of the election. The climate does not improve when Rs win elections.
 
skeptic llc said:
This is not about ignoring the problem. It is about making a statement likely to cost Biden voters on the eve of the election. The climate does not improve when Rs win elections.
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If telling the truth means you lose an election, we're probably ****ed as a nation anyway.
 
CHuDWah said:
Honest question as you're a lawyer (dunno if you're a tax specialist) - what if one doesn't pay estimated tax? The IRS says one owes estimated tax if (1) the total tax less withholding is over $1,000, (2) withholding and estimated payments is less than 90% of the total tax, and (3) withholding is less than 100% of the previous year's total tax (110% if the AGI was over $150,000, or $75,000 if married and filing separately). If those conditions apply and one doesn't pay sufficient estimated tax, they are assessed a penalty. If one pays the penalty and tax owed by the return due date, AFAIK there is no other consequence. If so, it would seem advantageous to not pay estimated tax if that money can be invested to earn at least as much as the penalty. That would even result in more tax ultimately being paid.
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Penalty AND interest. But if you could earn more than have at it.
 
The Mark said:
If telling the truth means you lose an election, we're probably ****ed as a nation anyway.
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I'm not aware of societies where politicians are known for their honesty. Are there such places?
 
skeptic llc said:
I'm not aware of societies where politicians are known for their honesty. Are there such places?
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I think sometimes, in some places, temporarily.

You only ever realize it after the fact though.
 
ajn678 said:
As the days go on and we get closer to the election, it looks the exact opposite of what you think.
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Gotta feeling your going to be very disappointed!
And you shouldn't be! He's really done an awesome job in his first term!
 
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