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Who will you vote for in the 2012 presidential election...

Who will you vote for in the 2012 Presidential Election?


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TurtleDude

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The "group think" as you call it, (more like Newspeak) comes from the Corp. Media and all of the U.S. politicians who do the bidding of the 1%.


I sure wish we 1% members not only had all the power you claim but we were united We'd only be paying 1 percent of the federal tax bill rather than 40% of it as well as paying basically all the death taxes.
 

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I'm not trying to be mean, but I think if you believe yourself to be liberal or you're a Democrat, and you are pro-war, you should leave the Party and join the Republicons!

Are you suggesting that only pre-approved group-think opinions are allowed?

I sure wish we 1% members not only had all the power you claim but we were united We'd only be paying 1 percent of the federal tax bill rather than 40% of it as well as paying basically all the death taxes.

Who do you think lobbies the politicians to do their bidding financing these wars of conquest and exporting your living standard?

Big oil, and defense contractors, for starters, yes?
 

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Who do you think lobbies the politicians to do their bidding financing these wars of conquest and exporting your living standard?

Big oil, and defense contractors, for starters, yes?

sorry that makes no sense to me

I am not benefiting from the wars

I hoped we'd take all that Iraqi Oil for ourselves

No such luck
 

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I sure wish we 1% members not only had all the power you claim but we were united We'd only be paying 1 percent of the federal tax bill rather than 40% of it as well as paying basically all the death taxes.

For being in the top 1% you sure do a lot of complaining.

Why is that? Can't you see how flawed our system currently is? Why make it worse?
 

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For being in the top 1% you sure do a lot of complaining.

Why is that? Can't you see how flawed our system currently is? Why make it worse?

I complain-this board is full of ne'er do wells and others who haven't achieved whining about the wealthy. weekly, this board sees another thread carping about the rich

what causes most of the problems in this country are people like you who think the purpose of the government is to "make things fair" when in reality you want the government to give you what you think you are entitled to
 

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I complain-this board is full of ne'er do wells and others who haven't achieved whining about the wealthy. weekly, this board sees another thread carping about the rich

True... but I don't understand why people in the top 1% complain so much - its not that bad being rich

what causes most of the problems in this country are people like you who think the purpose of the government is to "make things fair" when in reality you want the government to give you what you think you are entitled to

Speculative... but perhaps you've personalized your arguments... i.e. you feel like you are entitled to your inheritance? ... and that's why you think everyone else argues from a purely and consciously selfish perspective?

I'm not trying to throw stones, just trying to figure out why you are trying to personalize arguments when things should stay on a theoretical basis - i.e. arguing about systems, not about each others' personalities and selfish motives
 

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True... but I don't understand why people in the top 1% complain so much - its not that bad being rich



Speculative... but perhaps you've personalized your arguments... i.e. you feel like you are entitled to your inheritance? ... and that's why you think everyone else argues from a purely and consciously selfish perspective?

I'm not trying to throw stones, just trying to figure out why you are trying to personalize arguments when things should stay on a theoretical basis - i.e. arguing about systems, not about each others' personalities and selfish motives



its funny-the liberal elite buy the votes of the many by pretending to bash the rich. and the leftist minions lap it up.

this country is going down the toilet because one party for sure-and the other party-somewhat-gains power by having so many people more and more dependent
 

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its funny-the liberal elite buy the votes of the many by pretending to bash the rich. and the leftist minions lap it up.

this country is going down the toilet because one party for sure-and the other party-somewhat-gains power by having so many people more and more dependent

Why does this have to be about bashing others? I thought this was about argumentation... ? Communication... ? For the betterment of society... ?
 

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I have not and will not vote for Obama. Why the GOP continues to offer up moderate or compromise candidates (like Dole, McCain and Romney) is beyond me. I suppose that the logic is that the independent voters and swing states ultimately control the election, but I think we deserve a real constitutional conservative (or Libertarian) choice, rather than simply getting to choose between Obama and Obama-lite. The primary problem facing the federal gov't is that it now (borrows and) spends 24% of GDP while they only dare tax the people at 17% of GDP. That policy is obviously a recipe for disaster, in very short order. Neither party has come up with any workable plan to balance the federal budget, so it matters little who the captain is, once the ship of state is allowed to run aground. Only the congress can control the federal budget so that will be my primary focus in the 2012 election.
 

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Who do you think lobbies the politicians to do their bidding financing these wars of conquest and exporting your living standard?

Big oil, and defense contractors, for starters, yes?

sorry that makes no sense to me

I am not benefiting from the wars

I hoped we'd take all that Iraqi Oil for ourselves

No such luck

Who do you think those oil field contracts went to, Great Britian?

Anyway, they're all equally evil. Reagan, Dubya, Obama - all puppets for the war machine.
 
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