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Who votes themselves government goodies?

Thrilla said:
nope, the turnip truck was full of vegans licking the manure off the turnips, there's wasn't any room for me.

do you have argument to make, or is you being an asshole the only thing in question here?
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the whole thing is childish. leftover money. rich people controlling elections being a good thing.
 
Thrilla said:
what is the proper amount of money in politics?
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Travel expenses, salaries and venue rentals. Political advertising should be done away with.
 
fmw said:
Travel expenses, salaries and venue rentals. Political advertising should be done away with.
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I don't know if i agree or disagree... but how do candidates get their messages out there without advertising?
 
molten_dragon said:
Virtually everyone votes themselves government goodies. The rich, the poor, conservative, liberal, everyone does it.
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thats true, however if the constitution had been adhered to this would not be the case.

once the federal government got involved in the lives liberty and property of the people, which they were never intended to be......you see these kinds of problems
 
Master PO said:
thats true, however if the constitution had been adhered to this would not be the case.

once the federal government got involved in the lives liberty and property of the people, which they were never intended to be......you see these kinds of problems
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don't forget about the yucky "pursuit of happiness"
 
Master PO said:
thats true, however if the constitution had been adhered to this would not be the case.
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Of course it would. People have been using the government for their own benefit since before it was even around. You know, kind of like how the wealthy white landowners who created the government made it so that only white landowners could vote? That seems like giving yourself government goodies to me.
 
Dittohead not! said:
According to this, corporate welfare is ten times that for working families. What do you think?
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ACCORDING TO THIS HIGHLY BIASED PROGRESSIVE CLASS WARFARE SITE!!!! BAD THINGS FOR AMERICAN FAMILIES GOOD THINGS FOR RICH PEOPLE!!! RISE UP !!!! FIGHT THE SYSTEM!!! DON'T QUESTION THE HIGHLY BIASED PROGRESSIVE SOURCE!!!


/ffs
 
fmw said:
Most of these 10 items aren't "corporate welfare." Oil depletion allowances for oil companies are and I think they are obsolete. They should be eliminated. It appears the people who put these lists together have a poor understanding of how things actually work. A few simple explanations.

1. All wages and salaries are excluded from company taxation just as are all company expenses. Corporate taxes are paid on net profits.

2. Corporate jets would be considered depreciable assets. They are no different than any other company asset. Maintenance, fuel, pilot salaries and everything else related to the airplanes are expenses. See 1 above. Executives are expensive enough that large corporations consider the time savings involved in providing private air travel is worth it. You can criticize that, if you like, but you can't call it corporate welfare.

3. As I said above, the oil depletion allowances are indeed corporate welfare and are obsolete in my view.

4. Drug company profits are earned. They aren't welfare. If you think medicare/medicaid should get better prices and they can't because of a corrupt law, talk to your legislators to see about changing the law. You can't blame the drug companies for seeking advantages. You can blame the government on this one. Finally, if you think the government should not be involved in taxpayer funded drug research you should talk to those same legislators. I don't think the government has any business funding private research. But this isn't corporate welfare.

5. The purpose of capital gains tax rates is to provide incentive for people to invest in business. It applies to everyone, not just corporations, so it isn't corporate welfare either. Tax rates are determined in Congress. That is the place to go to end capital gains rates if you disagree with it. I disagree with it just like the author, but I don't blame business for it.

6. Most of these tax reductions occurred because the state was competing with other states for the location of some asset like a factory which they wanted in their state to add jobs. The companies negotiated benefits for locating in the state. Reduced taxes aren't corporate welfare either. They are reduced taxes. One assumes the state would make up the tax reduction from taxing the employees of the factory over time. It's business, not corporate welfare.

7. I'll accept farm subsidies as welfare of sorts and I don't think the government should provide them. The reason it does, is because governments in other countries subsidize agriculture and the subsidies help keep American farms competitive. The issue is whether or not it is corporate welfare since it apples to family farms as well. It applies to all farms. Even I, who is not a farmer, have received subsidies to convert a corn field to a hay field. The funds were provided under a law that allows this type of subsidy as soil conservation. Something we shouldn't do? I agree with that but, again, it isn't corporate welfare.

8. I'm completely against this practice. I view these banks as too large to succeed. The purpose is to avoid a potential bankruptcy that would seriously hurt the FDIC. Perhaps the FDIC shouldn't exist either. The government should treat all people and all companies equally. It should never play favorite. Nevertheless, it isn't corporate welfare either. It is a loss of revenue in the same way a tax reduction is.

9. The portfolio is a loan portfolio. These are loans to companies, not payments to companies. They are repaid with interest. I agree that government should not be in the business of loaning money but there is no way to justify calling it corporate welfare. Loans like Solyndra fit the same situation. Government shouldn't be in the lending business. I'm happier without the EX-Im bank too as I am much of government. But it isn't corporate welfare.

10. This is ridiculous. The government contracts with companies to buy things that it needs. It is a purchase, not welfare.

So there you have it. 1 out of 10 is actually corporate welfare. Many of these these comments point out corruption in our bloated government and many of them should be curtailed or eliminated. I don't argue that. But this a nonsensical list put together by a partisan blog and has no relation to real life.
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They know exactly what is what, this is a group built on the class warfare hate monger garbage.
 
Dittohead not! said:
According to this, corporate welfare is ten times that for working families. What do you think?
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I've been saying this for years. It makes no sense for people to rail on about food stamps, when we have BIG money going to wealthy corporations in the form of subsidies, tax breaks, assistance. Heck, we even make it tax advantageous to outsource jobs!

It's against our own good and is bad for our economy. But since corporations fund the politicians, there's no solution on the horizon. Quite the opposite.
 
Renae said:
Which... isn't in the Constitution, have a nice day.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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The Bill of Rights
 
"the pursuit of happiness"

Umm... that would be the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.
 
molten_dragon said:
Of course it would. People have been using the government for their own benefit since before it was even around. You know, kind of like how the wealthy white landowners who created the government made it so that only white landowners could vote? That seems like giving yourself government goodies to me.
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people who own land and paid taxes could vote, which was a Qualifications requisite set by each state
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
that's the way it should still be, white? I mean, right?
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the founders wanted people who had a stake in america, in other words, why should you have a vote in government if you don't support it with taxes

by the way, remember we are talking about state governments, not federal
 
Master PO said:
the founders wanted people who had a stake in america, in other words, why should you have a vote in government if you don't support it with taxes

by the way, remember we are talking about state governments, not federal
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that's the way it should still be. correct?
 
Dittohead not! said:
According to this, corporate welfare is ten times that for working families. What do you think?
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lots of stuff called corporate "welfare" is actually quid pro quo agreements

For example, I own a NFL franchise. IN Say Cleveland Ohio. I pay lots and lots of taxes. Pay lots of rent for the stadium. Columbus comes to me and say-Hey move your team to Columbus and we will let you use the OSU stadium rent free. SO I get "welfare" but Columbus also makes millions from having 75,000 fans 10 times a year in Columbus

what exactly do we get for subsidizing people having children they cannot afford to raise
 
TurtleDude said:
what exactly do we get for subsidizing people having children they cannot afford to raise
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an educated healthy population. I can't believe this needs to be explained to an adult.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
an educated healthy population. I can't believe this needs to be explained to an adult.
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straw man alert-I didn't say spending money on education, I said subsidizing people to irresponsibly breed.
 
Thrilla said:
I don't know if i agree or disagree... but how do candidates get their messages out there without advertising?
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Televised debates.
 
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