Who still thinks trump is an asset for the GOP?

[post]

-snip-

At least Trump did a good job. That is how he will be remembered.

Birx confronted Pence about Atlas | TheHill​

https://thehill.com › homenews › administration › 5216...
Oct 19, 2020 — White House coronavirus response coordinator Deborah Birx recently confronted Vice President Pence about the increasing influence of Scott ...

U.S. medical leaders rebuke Trump, urge COVID-19 ... - Reuters​

https://www.reuters.com › us-health-coronavirus-usa

Nov 17, 2020 — Dr. Vivek Murthy, co-chair of Biden's COVID-19 taskforce, said Tuesday he and ...

How Trump's denial and mismanagement led to the covid​

https://www.washingtonpost.com › graphics › politics
Dec 19, 2020 — White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, among the many Trump aides who were infected with the virus this fall, was taken aback, according to ...

• 
  

  Trump and his White House minimize pandemic surge - The ...​

  https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2020/11/14
  Nov 14, 2020 — President Trump finally received some good news this past week: Amid spiking coronavirus cases nationwide — more than 100,000 new cases a ...
  

  Under Pence, Politics Regularly Seeped Into the Coronavirus ...​

  https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics

Oct 8, 2020 — In taking a leading role in managing the White House's response to the pandemic, the vice president and his team had an agenda that extended ...

How Mike Pence slowed down the coronavirus response​

https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/08/26 › mike-...
Aug 26, 2020 — The looming decision would test the vice president, pulled off the campaign trail and tapped by President Donald Trump to lead the coronavirus ...

If Trump "did a good job," why won't history notice? Could it be the two impeachments, the most corrupt cabinet in U.S. history,
the busload of indictments, or possibly what Dr. Birx described as 500,000 avoidable Covid-19 deaths after Trump, "took back" the Covid-19 mitigation response, "from the doctors"?

The Curse of The Trump Moneymen | Washington Monthly​

https://washingtonmonthly.com › Political Animal
Oct 23, 2020 — Donald Trump chose a rogue's gallery to raise money for the Republican National Committee including Michael Cohen, Louis DeJoy, ...

USPS's Louis DeJoy makes his mark as part of a motley GOP ...​

https://www.msnbc.com › rachel-maddow-show › usps-...
Aug 14, 2020 — Remember when Steve Wynn, Elliott Broidy, Michael Cohen, and Louis DeJoy were the RNC's four finance chairs?

But don't worry, you're in a cult, you not supposed to notice how awful Trump was and still is.

Do Consequences Indicate Since 1968, U.S. would be significantly stronger if no G.O.P. candidate was POTUS?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-insiders-our-afghanistan-exit-is-a-part-of-a-much-bigger-reset Biden and his team have clearer memories of the long litany of egregious and crippling missteps America’s leaders made during the first years of this century than do their critics. David Rothkopf...

debatepolitics.com

"....

C-SPAN Survey on Presidents 2021

www.c-span.org

 

[Jay59]

Trump did do a good job. More specifically, the administration accomplished important things and worked smoothly. Here is a partial list of accomplishments. Some, like withdrawing from climate change agreements, are omitted as too controversial or as purely symbolic. Others are subject to partisan bias, like border security. However you parse it, it's an impressive list.

• Appointed more federal judges than any two Presidents
• Record low unemployment
• Tax reform
• Tax cuts
• Military readiness
• Reduced regulation
• Trade agreements
• Educational choice in K-12
• Improved relations with both Saudi Arabia and Israel
• Border wall and greatly improved border control
• Religious freedom
• Oil pipelines and increased domestic production
• Defeated ISIS and boxed in Iran
• Stood up to Russia and China
• COVID vaccine
• Reformed Veteran Affairs
• FIRST STEP
• Reduced drug prices
• Marijuana legal in over 50% of states

One note on COVID because many try to blame Trump for the pandemic. The Trump administration did a good job but was not in charge. Governors of each state had that responsibility. Trump does get credit for the vaccine, because of the procedures and regulations that were streamlined.

 

[Buckeyes85]

You need to put down the crack pipe.

Stood up to Russia? You mean accepted their help in 2016, and then denied it?
Border wall? All 12 feet of that "great big beautiful" escarpment?
And perhaps most importantly, he ushered in the most divisive administration since perhaps the civil war.

Bottom line, you can't love Trump and love America.

 

[soap box]

Birx confronted Pence about Atlas | TheHill​

https://thehill.com › homenews › administration › 5216...
Oct 19, 2020 — White House coronavirus response coordinator Deborah Birx recently confronted Vice President Pence about the increasing influence of Scott ...

U.S. medical leaders rebuke Trump, urge COVID-19 ... - Reuters​

https://www.reuters.com › us-health-coronavirus-usa

Nov 17, 2020 — Dr. Vivek Murthy, co-chair of Biden's COVID-19 taskforce, said Tuesday he and ...

How Trump's denial and mismanagement led to the covid​

https://www.washingtonpost.com › graphics › politics
Dec 19, 2020 — White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, among the many Trump aides who were infected with the virus this fall, was taken aback, according to ...

• 
  

  Trump and his White House minimize pandemic surge - The ...​

  https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2020/11/14
  Nov 14, 2020 — President Trump finally received some good news this past week: Amid spiking coronavirus cases nationwide — more than 100,000 new cases a ...
  

  Under Pence, Politics Regularly Seeped Into the Coronavirus ...​

  https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics

Oct 8, 2020 — In taking a leading role in managing the White House's response to the pandemic, the vice president and his team had an agenda that extended ...

How Mike Pence slowed down the coronavirus response​

https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/08/26 › mike-...
Aug 26, 2020 — The looming decision would test the vice president, pulled off the campaign trail and tapped by President Donald Trump to lead the coronavirus ...

If Trump "did a good job," why won't history notice? Could it be the two impeachments, the most corrupt cabinet in U.S. history,
the busload of indictments, or possibly what Dr. Birx described as 500,000 avoidable Covid-19 deaths after Trump, "took back" the Covid-19 mitigation response, "from the doctors"?

The Curse of The Trump Moneymen | Washington Monthly​

https://washingtonmonthly.com › Political Animal
Oct 23, 2020 — Donald Trump chose a rogue's gallery to raise money for the Republican National Committee including Michael Cohen, Louis DeJoy, ...

USPS's Louis DeJoy makes his mark as part of a motley GOP ...​

https://www.msnbc.com › rachel-maddow-show › usps-...
Aug 14, 2020 — Remember when Steve Wynn, Elliott Broidy, Michael Cohen, and Louis DeJoy were the RNC's four finance chairs?

But don't worry, you're in a cult, you not supposed to notice how awful Trump was and still is.

Do Consequences Indicate Since 1968, U.S. would be significantly stronger if no G.O.P. candidate was POTUS?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-insiders-our-afghanistan-exit-is-a-part-of-a-much-bigger-reset Biden and his team have clearer memories of the long litany of egregious and crippling missteps America’s leaders made during the first years of this century than do their critics. David Rothkopf...

debatepolitics.com

"....

C-SPAN Survey on Presidents 2021

www.c-span.org

OMG Trump is rated in 41st place out of 45, four from the bottom, yep, that makes perfect sense. Yes indeed.

 

[post]

OMG Trump is rated in 41st place out of 45, four from the bottom, yep, that makes perfect sense. Yes indeed.

That's "whale shit" territory...
It was a tough call... but posters here will indicate they know better than the consensus of 142 presidential historians because, "deep state," pedophile cannibal democrats, etc.

Opinion | Should Trump Displace Buchanan as the Worst President Ever? (Published 2021)

Readers make the case that Donald Trump has earned that distinction. Also: Edgar Snow’s China reporting; bypassed by the recovery; outdoor dining in the pandemic.

www.nytimes.com

July 8, 2021
"...After all, Mr. Trump seemed to be the strongest candidate in the last 100 years to displace Buchanan. Unfortunately for Buchanan, the 142 presidential historians who participated in C-SPAN’s just released 2021 Presidential Historians Survey decided otherwise.

Apparently, Buchanan’s encouragement of the Supreme Court’s decision upholding slavery in the Dred Scott case, endorsement of fraudulent election results in the Kansas territory to support its admittance to the Union as a slave state, and failure to respond to states seceding from the Union were viewed as more egregiously incompetent than Mr. Trump’s being the only president to stand in the way of the peaceful transfer of power and mishandling a pandemic that led to more than 600,000 deaths in the United States so far..."

Trump on Covid-19: “I take full responsibility. It's not my fault.”​

https://www.vox.com › future-perfect › 2020/10/22 › d...
Oct 22, 2020 — At the presidential debate, Trump almost took responsibility for Covid-19. Then he didn't.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Trump did do a good job. More specifically, the administration accomplished important things and worked smoothly.

Trump is a loser. On his watch, the Republican Party lost the House, Senate, and the Presidency within two years time. He lost his reelection by seven million votes.

For the past year Trump has been living a lie, and he has been forcing the Republican leadership to accept that lie. They do so because grassroots Republicans consider Trump their hero.

By attacking America's free elections, Trump has the full support of Vladimir Putin, the Russian dictator who helped Trump become President in 2016.

The Republican Party gets its support from the rural counties of America. For the most part they are farmers, ranchers and rural shopkeepers with limited education. Their awareness of political matters is highly limited. All they know is, Trump is their savior without ever knowing what Trump is doing and saying. This thread illustrates that fact.

Now this. Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee for President in 2024. He is the leader of the Republican Party. Please, don't ask me why. Last week, Trump issued this statement via his Save America PAC:

"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do."

 

[j brown's body]

Spoilage is an indicator. There are issues if the number is too high and different issues if it is too low. In this election, spoilage was extremely low. It's one of those fact things that are so stubborn.


I know you write fiction, but this is fantasy.

here are the facts. There were contacts between Trump and Russian business interests, that were investigated and found to be innocuous. The lower level was going to close things down but the decision was overruled by the executive level. it was after this point that the Steele dossier appeared and the collusion narrative took form. The case agent's notes and FBI internal memoranda would normally be classified information, but they were released in 2019.

Trumps business interests with Russia have never been fully investigated.

His campaign members met with Rusdians many times. Trump lied and said they never did. Witnesses at the Mueller investigation refused to testify, under Trump's instructions.

Seems shaky.

 

[Jay59]

Trump is a loser.

So you keep saying, despite the evidence to the contrary.

On his watch, the Republican Party lost the House, Senate, and the Presidency within two years time. He lost his reelection by seven million votes.

no one said he was perfect, just effective.

For the past year Trump has been living a lie, and he has been forcing the Republican leadership to accept that lie. They do so because grassroots Republicans consider Trump their hero.

I have not paid much attention, nor do I care very much. What he did while in office was quality work. I do care about that.

By attacking America's free elections,

Trump did no such thing.

Trump has the full support of Vladimir Putin, the Russian dictator who helped Trump become President in 2016.

The Conspiracy Theory forum is down the main page. Russia collusion has thoroughly debunked and criminal indictments are pending.

The Republican Party gets its support from the rural counties of America.

Trump won over 85% of all counties.

For the most part they are farmers, ranchers and rural shopkeepers with limited education.

In some places. Not so much in the suburbs and cities.

Their awareness of political matters is highly limited.

Your argument works against you. Trump had a broad cross-section. Biden had only inner-city and California.

All they know is, Trump is their savior without ever knowing what Trump is doing and saying. This thread illustrates that fact.

It rarely helps to insert yourself in the mind of someone you do not understand.

Now this. Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee for President in 2024.

Meh. I remember when the presumptive nominee was Newt Gingrich.

He is the leader of the Republican Party.

Not really. Republican voters adopted him, but they are the ones making things happen, not Trump. At most, the party will follow his lead.

Please, don't ask me why. Last week, Trump issued this statement via his Save America PAC:
"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do."

Trump is living rent-free in your head. Why let him?

Trumps business interests with Russia have never been fully investigated.

only exhaustively. Trump is the most investigated President in history, probably because he had no insiders to pull strings.

His campaign members met with Rusdians many times. Trump lied and said they never did.

You are misrepresenting what was said. If Trump had actually lied it would have been actionable.

Witnesses at the Mueller investigation refused to testify, under Trump's instructions.

After the first year, this is true. Clinton's subordinates were told the first day.

Seems shaky.

Mueller's investigation always was shaky. The empowering act was never properly documented, nor was the purported offense spelled out. Both are required by statute.

 

[post]

Trump is a loser. On his watch, the Republican Party lost the House, Senate, and the Presidency within two years time. He lost his reelection by seven million votes.

For the past year Trump has been living a lie, and he has been forcing the Republican leadership to accept that lie. They do so because grassroots Republicans consider Trump their hero.

By attacking America's free elections, Trump has the full support of Vladimir Putin, the Russian dictator who helped Trump become President in 2016.

The Republican Party gets its support from the rural counties of America. For the most part they are farmers, ranchers and rural shopkeepers with limited education. Their awareness of political matters is highly limited. All they know is, Trump is their savior without ever knowing what Trump is doing and saying. This thread illustrates that fact.

Now this. Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee for President in 2024. He is the leader of the Republican Party. Please, don't ask me why. Last week, Trump issued this statement via his Save America PAC:

"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do."

I think there is a 50 percent chance you've been distracted from following the money.

Trump has busloads of vermin like this still vigorously supporting him and his insurrection party.
This is how this POS's website describes him. He owns 85 percent of the organization he founded, he pays almost no taxes,
vs his wealth, and he says and spends whatever it takes to keep it that way.

Kenneth C. Griffin - Citadel​

https://www.citadel.com ›
Ken founded Citadel in 1990 ..Today, Citadel is recognized as one of the most respected and successful ...

Kenneth C. Griffin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"...Griffin has an estimated net worth .. making him the 2nd richest person in Illinois and the 45th richest person in America. ...

In a 2012 ...Griffin said that the rich actually have too little influence in politics. .. He said the belief "that a larger government is what creates prosperity, that a larger government is what creates good" is wrong.

November 2015.. Griffin said he admires Scott Walker claiming he is an "absolute champion of free markets and a champion of smaller government".
....
In May 2017, Griffin praised Donald Trump's efforts at tax and healthcare reform.

In 2018, ..Griffin ..appointed the national finance chair for the New Republican PAC fueling, Senator Rick Scott‘s Super PAC.
....
In January 2019, Griffin was singled out by Elizabeth Warren .. as someone who can pay her Ultra-Millionaire Tax. During a March 2019 interview ..Griffin criticized Elizabeth Warren'sproposals saying "soaking the rich doesn't work".
...
In September 2020, Griffin wrote an op-ed ..stating his opposition to Governor of Illinois J. B. Pritzker's "Fair Tax" proposal that would change Illinois income tax from a flat tax to a graduated tax. ..and alluded to the possibility of moving his company out of Illinois.

... in October 2020, Griffin criticized Joe Biden's plans to raise the long-term capital gains tax rate. ..."

President Biden: Opponents Of Build Back Better Plan Are ...​

https://www.realclearpolitics.com › video › 2021/10/06
Oct 6, 2021 — Ken Griffin said the ... "Build Back Better" bill is a "corrupt piece of legislation" and to "thank God ...

Hedge fund king, a GOP megadonor, faces off with Democrats​

https://www.politico.com › news › 2021/02/18 › ken-gr...
Feb 18, 2021 — Ken Griffin wants nothing more than to be out of the limelight, but he will have to face a grilling by House Democrats. ... Hedge fund billionaire ...

The rubes of the countryside you described are collateral damage....

 

[US&THEM]

Trump did do a good job. More specifically, the administration accomplished important things and worked smoothly. Here is a partial list of accomplishments. Some, like withdrawing from climate change agreements, are omitted as too controversial or as purely symbolic. Others are subject to partisan bias, like border security. However you parse it, it's an impressive list.

• Appointed more federal judges than any two Presidents
• Record low unemployment
• Tax reform
• Tax cuts
• Military readiness
• Reduced regulation
• Trade agreements
• Educational choice in K-12
• Improved relations with both Saudi Arabia and Israel
• Border wall and greatly improved border control
• Religious freedom
• Oil pipelines and increased domestic production
• Defeated ISIS and boxed in Iran
• Stood up to Russia and China
• COVID vaccine
• Reformed Veteran Affairs
• FIRST STEP
• Reduced drug prices
• Marijuana legal in over 50% of states

One note on COVID because many try to blame Trump for the pandemic. The Trump administration did a good job but was not in charge. Governors of each state had that responsibility. Trump does get credit for the vaccine, because of the procedures and regulations that were streamlined.

Carter appointed more Judges in the same timeframe. What does the President have to do with state marijuana regulations? Improved relations with Saudi Arabia? Thats a joke.

 

[Jay59]

Carter appointed more Judges in the same timeframe. What does the President have to do with state marijuana regulations? Improved relations with Saudi Arabia? Thats a joke.

Valid point about Carter. He had to fill over 150 newly created positions. Excluding those, the point stands.

Federal drug law can be taken to overrule state marijuana laws. In spite of some harsh rhetoric against hemp, the Trump administration has stood aside and let things unfold as they will. It may be something like giving Obama credit for the growth in fracking, but it's appropriate in both cases.

Why do you doubt we have closer ties with Saudi Arabia due to Trump administration policies? Trump administration policy resulted in the Abrahamic Accords, which are the first of their kind.

 

[US&THEM]

Valid point about Carter. He had to fill over 150 newly created positions. Excluding those, the point stands.

Federal drug law can be taken to overrule state marijuana laws. In spite of some harsh rhetoric against hemp, the Trump administration has stood aside and let things unfold as they will. It may be something like giving Obama credit for the growth in fracking, but it's appropriate in both cases.

Why do you doubt we have closer ties with Saudi Arabia due to Trump administration policies? Trump administration policy resulted in the Abrahamic Accords, which are the first of their kind.

The Abrahamic accords are symbolic with zero real meaning. I lived in Saudi Arabia and we already had relations with them, but how about the asinine blockade on Qatar? We backed Saudi Arabia screw with Qatar as we have a massive air base there. Kushner hung out with MBS and was played like a fiddle. Reality is hard for you to accept.

 

[Jay59]

The Abrahamic accords are symbolic with zero real meaning. I lived in Saudi Arabia and we already had relations with them, but how about the asinine blockade on Qatar? We backed Saudi Arabia screw with Qatar as we have a massive air base there. Kushner hung out with MBS and was played like a fiddle. Reality is hard for you to accept.

I was in Kuwait. Trump improved relations with the Kingdom. He did it by taking the Iranian threat seriously and by giving them respect. You say the Accords are symbolic but consider the symbolism. It is one of mutual respect.

Your opinion of Kushner is well known. I think hatred of his father-in-law blinds you to one of the statesmen of his generation.

 

[jnug]

Birx confronted Pence about Atlas | TheHill​

https://thehill.com › homenews › administration › 5216...
Oct 19, 2020 — White House coronavirus response coordinator Deborah Birx recently confronted Vice President Pence about the increasing influence of Scott ...

U.S. medical leaders rebuke Trump, urge COVID-19 ... - Reuters​

https://www.reuters.com › us-health-coronavirus-usa

Nov 17, 2020 — Dr. Vivek Murthy, co-chair of Biden's COVID-19 taskforce, said Tuesday he and ...

How Trump's denial and mismanagement led to the covid​

https://www.washingtonpost.com › graphics › politics
Dec 19, 2020 — White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, among the many Trump aides who were infected with the virus this fall, was taken aback, according to ...

• 
  

  Trump and his White House minimize pandemic surge - The ...​

  https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2020/11/14
  Nov 14, 2020 — President Trump finally received some good news this past week: Amid spiking coronavirus cases nationwide — more than 100,000 new cases a ...
  

  Under Pence, Politics Regularly Seeped Into the Coronavirus ...​

  https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics

Oct 8, 2020 — In taking a leading role in managing the White House's response to the pandemic, the vice president and his team had an agenda that extended ...

How Mike Pence slowed down the coronavirus response​

https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/08/26 › mike-...
Aug 26, 2020 — The looming decision would test the vice president, pulled off the campaign trail and tapped by President Donald Trump to lead the coronavirus ...

If Trump "did a good job," why won't history notice? Could it be the two impeachments, the most corrupt cabinet in U.S. history,
the busload of indictments, or possibly what Dr. Birx described as 500,000 avoidable Covid-19 deaths after Trump, "took back" the Covid-19 mitigation response, "from the doctors"?

The Curse of The Trump Moneymen | Washington Monthly​

https://washingtonmonthly.com › Political Animal
Oct 23, 2020 — Donald Trump chose a rogue's gallery to raise money for the Republican National Committee including Michael Cohen, Louis DeJoy, ...

USPS's Louis DeJoy makes his mark as part of a motley GOP ...​

https://www.msnbc.com › rachel-maddow-show › usps-...
Aug 14, 2020 — Remember when Steve Wynn, Elliott Broidy, Michael Cohen, and Louis DeJoy were the RNC's four finance chairs?

But don't worry, you're in a cult, you not supposed to notice how awful Trump was and still is.

Do Consequences Indicate Since 1968, U.S. would be significantly stronger if no G.O.P. candidate was POTUS?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-insiders-our-afghanistan-exit-is-a-part-of-a-much-bigger-reset Biden and his team have clearer memories of the long litany of egregious and crippling missteps America’s leaders made during the first years of this century than do their critics. David Rothkopf...

debatepolitics.com

"....

C-SPAN Survey on Presidents 2021

www.c-span.org

Barrack Obama's and Bush 43's rankings (found in the full listing linked) are absurdly high....obscenely so for that matter. The rest are about right.

 

[bearpoker]

I've been trying to figure out that anomaly. A 10 point drop across the board, yet the democrats still hold the edge in the generic congressional ballot. You just might have. That is totally out of whack with historical norms. Now historical norms, wisdom and tradition have been thrown out the window when it comes to Trump.

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We know independents don't like Trump much. They never have. Trump has been in the limelight lately, a reminder to one and all why they dislike him which is rubbing off on the GOP. Vaccines maybe, but I doubt if that has much to do with the anomaly. Well, Trump cost the GOP the 2 Georgia senate seats, he might as well cost them the control of the house next year. If the Republicans are stupid enough to stick with Trump knowing full well he drives independents to vote Democratic, that is their problem. One comes to the conclusion the Republicans are only interested in promoting Trump and not winning elections.

We just went though 2020, the worst year for political upheaval since 1968 in my opinion. Additionally we still have the pandemic which has killed over 700,000 people. Trump is busy keeping people aware of all these things, refusing to look forward. Republicans are still resisting masks and vaccines. They're becoming the party of conspiracy and COVID.

 

[bearpoker]

I was in Kuwait. Trump improved relations with the Kingdom. He did it by taking the Iranian threat seriously and by giving them respect. You say the Accords are symbolic but consider the symbolism. It is one of mutual respect.

Your opinion of Kushner is well known. I think hatred of his father-in-law blinds you to one of the statesmen of his generation.

 

[j brown's body]

I was in Kuwait. Trump improved relations with the Kingdom. He did it by taking the Iranian threat seriously and by giving them respect. You say the Accords are symbolic but consider the symbolism. It is one of mutual respect.

Your opinion of Kushner is well known. I think hatred of his father-in-law blinds you to one of the statesmen of his generation.

Why should I care about Kuwait?

 

[j brown's body]

So you keep saying, despite the evidence to the contrary.


no one said he was perfect, just effective.


I have not paid much attention, nor do I care very much. What he did while in office was quality work. I do care about that.


Trump did no such thing.


The Conspiracy Theory forum is down the main page. Russia collusion has thoroughly debunked and criminal indictments are pending.


Trump won over 85% of all counties.


In some places. Not so much in the suburbs and cities.


Your argument works against you. Trump had a broad cross-section. Biden had only inner-city and California.


It rarely helps to insert yourself in the mind of someone you do not understand.


Meh. I remember when the presumptive nominee was Newt Gingrich.


Not really. Republican voters adopted him, but they are the ones making things happen, not Trump. At most, the party will follow his lead.




Trump is living rent-free in your head. Why let him?


only exhaustively. Trump is the most investigated President in history, probably because he had no insiders to pull strings.


You are misrepresenting what was said. If Trump had actually lied it would have been actionable.


After the first year, this is true. Clinton's subordinates were told the first day.


Mueller's investigation always was shaky. The empowering act was never properly documented, nor was the purported offense spelled out. Both are required by statute.

Provide a source showing that Trump's business arrangements with Russia have been investigated.

Since Trump encouraged witnesses to not cooperate we did not get all the facts.

The responsibility for the Mueller investigation fell with the Trump administration itself.

 

[smallvoice]

You think Trump te lying OS who claimed he would build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it (neither of which happened) while using illegals on his workforce did something about it?

You have clearly drunk the Kool ade
And yes the cultists do worships the obese loser as a god
I feel sorry for you

Feel sorry for all your liberal fool buddies who will go to their grave knowing they screwed the American people by electing a senile old man.

 

[Jay59]

Why should I care about Kuwait?

Why should I care about you being in the Kingdom? I have personal experience of my own.

Provide a source showing that Trump's business arrangements with Russia have been investigated.

I already did. If you keep asking for the same thing over and over, it does not help.

Since Trump encouraged witnesses to not cooperate we did not get all the facts.

Correct. You and I are not privileged to have all the facts. No one person is.

The responsibility for the Mueller investigation fell with the Trump administration itself.

That is not even a good attempt at an excuse.

You are not holding up your side of the conversation. Bring facts or go home.

 

[Quag]

Feel sorry for all your liberal fool buddies who will go to their grave knowing they screwed the American people by electing a senile old man.

Im not a liberal and I never voted for trump
Total failure of a post on your part

 

[Perotista]

We just went though 2020, the worst year for political upheaval since 1968 in my opinion. Additionally we still have the pandemic which has killed over 700,000 people. Trump is busy keeping people aware of all these things, refusing to look forward. Republicans are still resisting masks and vaccines. They're becoming the party of conspiracy and COVID.

I think, at least as far back as I can remember this is the first time a political party has stuck with a candidate that lost a presidential election instead of moving on. Moving on to a fresh face, new ideas, coming up with solutions to our problems and fomenting a vision for the future. But the GOP continues to live in the past. That may cost them big time. They've tied their political fortunes to a man, not to ideals or a political philosophy, but to a man who's in it only for himself and to sooth a huge bruised ego. My take anyway.

I'd say the GOP is now the RINO party without any traditional Republican ideals. This is what Trump has made it into.

 

[post]

Barrack Obama's and Bush 43's rankings (found in the full listing linked) are absurdly high....obscenely so for that matter. The rest are about right.

Eisenhower? The National Park Service website, describing Ike's Gettysburg estate it is responsible for the administration and upkeep of, describes the then sitting president's sensitivity to the Gettysburg related bribes he was accepting from his wealthiest cronies...

Page 148 ...

https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/eise/clr/chap3-1.pdf

"...Nevertheless, the situation was partially relieved later that year by the intervention of Nevins’ “silent partner,” Eisenhower’s friend W. Alton Jones. Jones, the president of The Cities Service Oil Company, was especially interested in maintaining the Eisenhowers’ privacy. He initiated the purchase of adjacent properties to accomplish this goal. Given his responsibilities and workload at Cities Service, it was not practical for Jones to handle the details of farm purchases or farm operations after their acquisition. There was also the appearance of impropriety that might have occurred if it appeared a “wealthy benefactor” was buying land for Eisenhower. So Jones acquired the services of Nevins to act as his agent and “front man,” allowing him to handle the details of all Jones’ property purchases in the Gettysburg area that could possibly be associated with Eisenhower or the Eisenhower Farm.7.."

Quid pro quo :

News Of Yesteryear . - Google News​

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Presidents and whether It Influences Presidential policy. ... the residual fuel oil quotas, A big beneficiary was Cities Service ,whose chief, Alton Jones, ...

 

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Continued from my last post,

Columnist Drew Pearson, close enough friend to Chief Justice Earl Warren to vacation with him. Pearson's stepson was
chief of protocol in LBJ White House, his wife Bess was assistant to Ladybird...

When the airliner W. Alton Jones was a passenger in, slammed into Jamaica Bay near NYC in 1962, he was on his way to meet
Eisenhower for a fishing trip. $62,000 in cash and travelers checks were found in his briefcase and other luggage.

Tragedy in Jamaica Bay - TIME

[OPEN_P]It was ideal flying weather. The morning was dazzlingly clear, the ceiling and visibility unlimited, and a brisk, 20-mile-an-hour wind blew from the northwest. As New York waited to welcome...

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Time Magazine - March 9. 1962 (bottom of second pages of airliner crash article)
(Mid first page)
"...With it into the icy waters, American One took Oilman W. Alton Jones, 70, an intimate friend of ex-President Eisenhower, who was on his way to California to join Ike on a fishing excursion,..."

"Recovered from Alton Jones's effects: $55,690 in cash (including one $10,000 bill), another $7,000 in traveler's checks. Business associates of the free-spending Jones were not surprised..."

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The Nevada Daily Mail - Google News Archive Search

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"Discusses Officials Accepting Gifts"

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[Amelia]

I say the more he inserts himself into the american consciousness, the more the gop chances of winning anything decrease.

I say never underestimate the appeal that the orange traitor has to people who want to burn the country down and start back over in the 1800's.