I will let you in on a little secret: I kninda in a way like Rubio. I hate his policies and politics, but I think I would enjoy talking with him.
And Bloomberg's tyrannical decision is going to help reduce teacher turnover how?
Who here is actually naive enough to think that only the "bad teachers" will be the ones to leave?
In New-York it is extremely hard to fire a bad teacher. The only thing that really seems to get teachers fired are budget cuts and if New York is anything like California they they do their firings based on seniority instead of performance
Joel Klein vs. New York City teachers : The New Yorker
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/nyregion/16rubber.html
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You didn't answer my question. How is releasing all this previously confidential data going to reduce teacher turnover?
It will make parents seek other schools.It will make parents push their elected officials even more to enact laws to make it easier to fire lousy teachers.Unlike New York California has what are called parent trigger laws.This is basically a die hard teacher union's worst nightmare. Releasing teacher evaluations to their employers IE the tax payers could aid in pushing for a parent trigger laws or some other laws to make it easier to get rid of bad teachers in New York.
Where the money comes from is irreleant. McDonalds pays their employees with money that comes from you, as do schools.
You are STILL dodging my question. How does releasing previously confidential information reduce teacher turnover?
Employers have the right to see the evaluations of their employees. Releasing employee evaluations to their employers will not reduce teacher turnover. TYou are STILL dodging my question. How does releasing previously confidential information reduce teacher turnover?
I don't care about turnover.
It can be. It can also be a problem, since people like to take things out of context to generate political issues.Isn't transparency a virtue?
It can be. It can also be a problem, since people like to take things out of context to generate political issues.
Employers have the right to see the evaluations of their employees. Releasing employee evaluations to their employers will not reduce teacher turnover. T
Let's play a little game...
But if the literal evaluations are shown themselves, there'd be no problem?
Let's play a little game, shall we? Let's say that you are a bright, promising math student at a state college. It's your second semester of your freshman year, and you've got your major down to one of two options: Math Education, or simply Math. You're taking courses that count for both majors, but by the start of your sophomore year, you're going to need to make a choice. So which one are you going to choose? Well, you decide that it comes down to what the career options are. You way your options, and this is what you find:
Career in Mathematics
-Starting Salary: $50,000-$100,000, give or take, with plenty of room to grow
-Opportunities for significant career advancement
-Potential for developing brand-new inventions or ideas
-Only have to deal with management and other professionals
-Can always rely on support, so long as the work is done
-Always in demand
-Almost always respected in the corporate environment
-Usually work at-will
Career in Teaching Math
-Starting Salary: $25,000-35,000, give or take, with a fixed, very slow rate of annual growth that may not even surpass inflation
-Limited opportunities for career advancement
-Has to submit to a host of standards and regulations, as well as the whims of the current school administration
-Has to deal with disrespectful students and parents
-Support is wildly inconsistent and often independent of actual performance
-Always in demand, but politicians may choose to not let that demand be fulfilled
-May often be disrespected in the work and the political environments
-Hard to fire, but can be transferred or endlessly harassed for poor performance
You tell me: If you were that student, which career choice would you make?
And you wonder why we have "bad" teachers? Really? It's because schools get the leftovers.
You just made the same argument I have made many times about who we are attracting into our education majors / career fields. Let us see now if you get the same YOU MUST HATE AND LOATHE TEACHERS reaction that I do...
How many of us (if any), have that special ability to , well, judge others ?
And, without preconceived notions, bigotry, bias, racism ??
But, the parents and teachers should meet now and again...but no time ?
MAKE TIME !
But, at this point in time, I feel that the principals should do the evaluations, with some input from the children and the parents.
Hmm - well, as a parent of 4 school kids who pays my taxes every year for public schooling.
I think I should have more of a say over my kid's schooling environment. If a teacher sucks ****ing nards I don't believe they should be allowed to sabotage my children for an entire school year.
If things were more 'up to the parents' our education system would be better off.
They would have to come to a system that still tried to protect the teacher from public scrutiny and without 'harassing' anyone - teacher, student and parent alike - so maybe a meeting of parents without the teacher and a few people from the district/staff (etc) would be more ideal - talk about concerns, share issues, discuss findings of a review - etc - without fear of lashback or getting their children in the hot seat for parental opinions.
The school should evaluate throughout the year - taking into account issues from students, from parents and other teachers as well as first-hand accounts of events. . .and use that with the teacher throughout the year to focus on issues that need to be addressed and changed - etc.
People seem all to ready to just hire or fire - but there needs to be a measure of time for improvement or to simply not repeat a problem.
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