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Who is to blame for higher gasoline prices?

Who is the blame for high gasoline prices?

  • President Bush

    Votes: 10 35.7%
  • Oil Companies

    Votes: 8 28.6%
  • Environmentalists

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • Arabs

    Votes: 3 10.7%

  • Total voters
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If it were not for the extreamly left enviormentalists we wouldn't need to have all these 'adders' in gasoline. Because of those 'adders' and 'cleaners' that are a neccesity by law our refineries simply cannot get the job done.

We have plenty of fuel here - just not enough adders.

Now they want to propose putting corn juice in gas and making that a requirement as well. Bad call.
 
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Well since OPEC controls the flow of oil and the price per barrel it is OPEC :lol: And for those of you who say that Bush or American companies are responsible I would remind you that The U.S. is not a member of OPEC. The only members are Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. If you controlled the world's oil supply wouldn't you try to make as much as a profit as possible?
 

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Napoleon's Nightingale said:
Well since OPEC controls the flow of oil and the price per barrel it is OPEC :lol: And for those of you who say that Bush or American companies are responsible I would remind you that The U.S. is not a member of OPEC. The only members are Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. If you controlled the world's oil supply wouldn't you try to make as much as a profit as possible?

That is just it...........We should not to depend on OPEC....If the environmentalists and the liberals in Congress had let us drill in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico 10 years ago we would not have to depend on the Arabs....Thanks to the Liberals and democrats in congress they have us by the throat.............

That is the sad part............
 

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The obvious reason isn't in the poll.... It's the law of supply & demand with the market setting the price not helped by greedy 1st world oil consumption along with China's increasing demand.

The USA is 5% of the world population but uses 25% of the oil !

What are you worried about.
You still get your gas dirt cheap.
We pay 90 pence/litre due to the high tax !
x 3.78 = £3.40 per US gallon x 1.81 = $6.15 per US gallon !!!!
 

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Who's going to use more fuel the person without a car, or the person with 100 car's, that is why the US logically uses more oil than most nations on earth.
 

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Navy Pride said:
That is just it...........We should not to depend on OPEC....If the environmentalists and the liberals in Congress had let us drill in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico 10 years ago we would not have to depend on the Arabs....Thanks to the Liberals and democrats in congress they have us by the throat.............

That is the sad part............
That is very ill-informed. There is an estimated 11 billion gallons maximum in the ANWR 1002 region (possibly 3.5 billion also, most scientist guess at 7 billion, but I will use the biggest number just for arguments sake), which is the region in dispute. The Prudhoe Bay fields, which are almost completely tapped, yielded 13 billion gallons. Less than two years worth of oil for the US. So, optimistically speaking, if we drill in ANWR, we will have oil for AT MOST one and a half years. source

The amount of oil left in the Gulf of Mexico has been estimated at 2.98 billion barrels proven, and 2.40 billion unproven. As you can see, even if all the unproven reserves are true, and if we can drill for all the oil (which, if you know anything about drilling, you would know is impossible) that leaves us with only 5.39 billion gallons of oil from the Gulf. Maybe a little less than a years worth. source

So if we drill for oil in the Arctic and the Gulf of Mexico, we will have three years TOPS independent of OPEC. Not such a great solution.
 

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robin said:
The obvious reason isn't in the poll.... It's the law of supply & demand with the market setting the price not helped by greedy 1st world oil consumption along with China's increasing demand.

The USA is 5% of the world population but uses 25% of the oil !

What are you worried about.
You still get your gas dirt cheap.
We pay 90 pence/litre due to the high tax !
x 3.78 = £3.40 per US gallon x 1.81 = $6.15 per US gallon !!!!
Well you should get your legislators to lower the taxes on your gas and if they don't do it vote the scoundrels out.....That is how democracy works.......
 

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Kelzie said:
That is very ill-informed. There is an estimated 11 billion gallons maximum in the ANWR 1002 region (possibly 3.5 billion also, most scientist guess at 7 billion, but I will use the biggest number just for arguments sake), which is the region in dispute. The Prudhoe Bay fields, which are almost completely tapped, yielded 13 billion gallons. Less than two years worth of oil for the US. So, optimistically speaking, if we drill in ANWR, we will have oil for AT MOST one and a half years. source

The amount of oil left in the Gulf of Mexico has been estimated at 2.98 billion barrels proven, and 2.40 billion unproven. As you can see, even if all the unproven reserves are true, and if we can drill for all the oil (which, if you know anything about drilling, you would know is impossible) that leaves us with only 5.39 billion gallons of oil from the Gulf. Maybe a little less than a years worth. source

So if we drill for oil in the Arctic and the Gulf of Mexico, we will have three years TOPS independent of OPEC. Not such a great solution.
The fact of the matter is no one knows how much oil there is in ANWAR or the Gulf....It depends on what side of the issue your on.................I think its worth checking it out to see how much is actually there especially if it gets us off our dependency with OPEC.........When it comes to the oil issue they have us by the throat and they know it........
 
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The fact of the matter is no one knows how much oil there is in ANWAR or the Gulf....It depends on what side of the issue your on.................I think its worth checking it out to see how much is actually there especially if it gets us off our dependency with OPEC.........When it comes to the oil issue they have us by the throat and they know it........
I really wish people would stop being so dependant on oil period. It's not going to last forever and there's a reason why we declared that area in Alaska a National Wildlife Preservation area and it wasn't so we could go running around up there poking holes in the ground. Alternative fuel sources are the only thing that will last and eliminate our dependancy on OPEC as well as drastically reduce evironmental damage.
 

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Navy Pride said:
The fact of the matter is no one knows how much oil there is in ANWAR or the Gulf....It depends on what side of the issue your on.................I think its worth checking it out to see how much is actually there especially if it gets us off our dependency with OPEC.........When it comes to the oil issue they have us by the throat and they know it........
Try and find some different numbers than. While in many cases they are estimating, they use scientific techniques, and it usually very close to the actual numbers.
 

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If it were not for the extreamly left enviormentalists we wouldn't need to have all these 'adders' in gasoline. Because of those 'adders' and 'cleaners' that are a neccesity by law our refineries simply cannot get the job done.

We have plenty of fuel here - just not enough adders.

Now they want to propose putting corn juice in gas and making that a requirement as well. Bad call.

MY GOD.........have you ever had your IQ tested by a Professional?

I'm sure a Sub-70-IQ as you must have is ...eligble for Disability SSI, welfare or something.............how the hell did the Environmentalist.........suddenly effect GAS prices!

PRICES ABOVE $2.00 A GALLON THRU 2004......TILL A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION WHEN GAS WENT DOWN........BUSH WON ....PRICE JUMPED BACK UP TO ABOVE $2.00 A GALLON........AND CONTINUES TO RISE......THANK GOD I HAVE NO CHILDREN.......CAUSE IF YA'LLS MOMS AND DADS DID NOT MARRY AS BROTHER AND SISTERS ......THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO EXPLAIN YOUR IGNORANCE OTHER THAN EATING LEAD PAINT CHIPS THE FIRST 10 YEARS OF YOUR LIVES................GOD.............
 
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MY GOD.........have you ever had your IQ tested by a Professional?

I'm sure a Sub-70-IQ as you must have is ...eligble for Disability SSI, welfare or something.............how the hell did the Environmentalist.........suddenly effect GAS prices!

PRICES ABOVE $2.00 A GALLON THRU 2004......TILL A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION WHEN GAS WENT DOWN........BUSH WON ....PRICE JUMPED BACK UP TO ABOVE $2.00 A GALLON........AND CONTINUES TO RISE......THANK GOD I HAVE NO CHILDREN.......CAUSE IF YA'LLS MOMS AND DADS DID NOT MARRY AS BROTHER AND SISTERS ......THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO EXPLAIN YOUR IGNORANCE OTHER THAN EATING LEAD PAINT CHIPS THE FIRST 10 YEARS OF YOUR LIVES................GOD.............
Since you are not able to read let me try and explain it to you....Environmentalists are worried about the Elk and the pristine area in Alaska.........The democrats are in their back pockets and so all opportunities to drill there have been blocked............

four people seem to agree with me so it is you that is out of step.......
 

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Navy Pride said:
Since you are not able to read let me try and explain it to you....Environmentalists are worried about the Elk and the pristine area in Alaska.........The democrats are in their back pockets and so all opportunities to drill there have been blocked............

four people seem to agree with me so it is you that is out of step.......
:shock: Hey wait. I spent hours and hours looking for numbers (okay 10 minutes...but I found several sources ;) ), and that's it? You just ignore them? Less than two years!! That's how long the oil in Alaska will last. That's nothing! Bush will still be in office then!
 

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People have been warning about this phenomenal jump in oil prices since the early 1990s. We are the only ones who don't pay obscenely high prices-for decades- and although most of Europe's high prices are from their socialist taxes, OPEC has always given us cheaper prices when we bribe them with enough tax dollars.

We are running out of oil.

Let me say it again, we are running out of oil.

This should be scaring the Hell out of people. Everything plastic, everything that requires fuel is threatening to grind to a halt.

This is why Bush has done so much with hybrid car grants, alternative energy, and Alaska drilling. He knows what is coming, and it is only going to get worse.

OPEC nations have precisely one bargaining chip; they have one source of income, and as supplies run out, they are going to aggressively jack up prices because they know what awaits them on the other side of the oil supply. They know they will never be listened to or taken seriously by the west again the moment they lose their oil. They will be at our mercy, so they will gouge us for every penny they can get until it happens.

And it is going to (and is alreadystarting to) wreck our way of life.

Everything that has to be shipped will go up. It is a crisis in the making, and it is looming over us.
 
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SMIRKnCHIMP said:
MY GOD.........have you ever had your IQ tested by a Professional?

I'm sure a Sub-70-IQ as you must have is ...eligble for Disability SSI, welfare or something.............how the hell did the Environmentalist.........suddenly effect GAS prices!

THANK GOD I HAVE NO CHILDREN.......CAUSE IF YA'LLS MOMS AND DADS DID NOT MARRY AS BROTHER AND SISTERS ......THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO EXPLAIN YOUR IGNORANCE OTHER THAN EATING LEAD PAINT CHIPS THE FIRST 10 YEARS OF YOUR LIVES................GOD.............
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Napoleon's Nightingale said:
Well since OPEC controls the flow of oil and the price per barrel it is OPEC :lol: And for those of you who say that Bush or American companies are responsible I would remind you that The U.S. is not a member of OPEC. The only members are Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. If you controlled the world's oil supply wouldn't you try to make as much as a profit as possible?

naive..............................
 

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naive..............................
Because of what? Why do you think it is naive?

Welcome to the forum by the way. :2wave:
 

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TILL A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION WHEN GAS WENT DOWN........BUSH WON ....PRICE JUMPED BACK UP TO ABOVE $2.00 A GALLON
Same as last August and the year before that and the year before that and the....it's a season thing and all the "extras" needed by the refinerys.

Clinton had the same issue. The difference being Bush did not and has not used the reserves to manipulate prices.
 

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Napoleon's Nightingale said:
Well since OPEC controls the flow of oil and the price per barrel it is OPEC :lol: And for those of you who say that Bush or American companies are responsible I would remind you that The U.S. is not a member of OPEC. The only members are Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. If you controlled the world's oil supply wouldn't you try to make as much as a profit as possible?

BIG OIL is to blame......how much did big oil contribute to bush, what was the amount of tax breaks big oil recieved in return? Big OIL has made RECORD profits 5 years in a row.........

There was not an oil crisis Till the bow legged smerking @##$$%^&@#$ sstole the WH.

YA'll can follow bush to the cliff are you really ignorant enough to follow him off that cliff?

http://www.tray.com
 

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It really doesn't matter who is supplying our oil right now, except for the price. There is no shortage of oil right now. The problem is, oil is not a renewable resource, there will be a shortage in the future. We need to look for alternative fuels, not so much as for us, but for future generations. We need to start now, because it won't be easy to convince people to alter their dependence on fossil fuel and it will take time to make the conversion to whatever type of fuel that may be.

Here is a little more info on ANWR:

In March of this year, the Energy Information Administration, at the request of Representative Richard W. Pombo, Chairman of the U.S. House Committee on Resources, published a report analyzing—to the extent that anyone can without sinking a well shaft down through the coastal plain—the effect of drilling in ANWR.

The EIA’s best-guess mean case is that:

It will take 10 years to bring production on line (comparable to other Arctic drilling).


By 2025, ANWR could be producing up to 870,000 barrels of oil per day.


Assuming that every barrel of ANWR oil is consumed domestically, it will reduce imports on a barrel for barrel basis.


Given the EIA’s projections of declines in domestic oil production and increases in oil consumption, by 2025 ANWR would reduce US reliance on imported oil from 70% to 66%.

In other words, ANWR oil would make a difference, but not a strategic difference. It doesn’t solve the problem. The US will still be exposed by reliance on oil imports. Even if we had all the ANWR oil available today, we’d still be importing 9.1 million barrels per day, and climbing.


U. S. Imports 47% of oil from the Americas (Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, etc.) and 23% from the ME.
 

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BWG said:
It really doesn't matter who is supplying our oil right now, except for the price. There is no shortage of oil right now. The problem is, oil is not a renewable resource, there will be a shortage in the future. We need to look for alternative fuels, not so much as for us, but for future generations. We need to start now, because it won't be easy to convince people to alter their dependence on fossil fuel and it will take time to make the conversion to whatever type of fuel that may be.

Here is a little more info on ANWR:

In March of this year, the Energy Information Administration, at the request of Representative Richard W. Pombo, Chairman of the U.S. House Committee on Resources, published a report analyzing—to the extent that anyone can without sinking a well shaft down through the coastal plain—the effect of drilling in ANWR.

The EIA’s best-guess mean case is that:

It will take 10 years to bring production on line (comparable to other Arctic drilling).


By 2025, ANWR could be producing up to 870,000 barrels of oil per day.


Assuming that every barrel of ANWR oil is consumed domestically, it will reduce imports on a barrel for barrel basis.


Given the EIA’s projections of declines in domestic oil production and increases in oil consumption, by 2025 ANWR would reduce US reliance on imported oil from 70% to 66%.

In other words, ANWR oil would make a difference, but not a strategic difference. It doesn’t solve the problem. The US will still be exposed by reliance on oil imports. Even if we had all the ANWR oil available today, we’d still be importing 9.1 million barrels per day, and climbing.


U. S. Imports 47% of oil from the Americas (Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, etc.) and 23% from the ME.
And it will still only supply oil for less than 2 years.
 

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vauge said:
I think one of our members is from Alaska and he said they have been drilling for years up there. Interesting eh?

We've only 2 years of oil, but have been drilling for more than that already.

Here is the linkage: http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=9654&postcount=5
He's talking about the Prudhoe Bay fields, which we have been drilling for years because that is the nature of drilling. You can not take up all the oil in a well instantly. The Prudhoe Bay fields had 13 billion gallons of oil. Not sure how much they have left (I'll find out if you really want me too), but they are almost completely tapped (this is determined a numbers of ways, from echoing into the wells, to comparing how much oil has been taken out in the life of the well...wells show a very well defined bell curve, and it is farely easy to see when the oil's almost gone). 13 billion gallons will supply the US with oil for a little less than 2 years. Of course, it cannot all be drilled within two years, which is BWG correctly pointed out. The ANWR region has at the VERY most 11 billion gallons. Most scientists believe it is closer to 7 billion, but regardless, in a best case scenario, this will provide the US with oil for less than a year and a half worth of oil consumption spread out over maybe a decade.
 
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