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Who is Really Behind the VA Mess?

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Senate GOP Blocks Veterans Benefits Bill - ABC News

Senate Republicans derailed efforts to move forward with a $21 billion bill to enhance health care, education and job benefits for veterans.

Republicans stopped the veterans bill from moving on a procedural vote, which needed 60 votes. The final tally was 56-41.
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From 2009 to 2014 VA funding was increased from $97.7B to $153.8B yet these problems persisted. How much money do you figure we should throw at this problem before it gets fixed? Would a Trillion be enough? Two trillion? Why do you think that money alone is going to fix anything?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Really? I thought it was Aluiada that started the war with us when they attacked the twin towers. Guess we started the war with Japan too huh. Pearl Harbor was after we attacked them I guess.:lol:
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Al Queda had nothing to do with Iraq. Us attacking Saddam for 911 would be like invading Thailand for Pearl Harbor.

19 of the hijackers were Saudi Arabian, one was Egyptian. You know that. Right?
 
calamity said:
Al Queda had nothing to do with Iraq. Us attacking Saddam for 911 would be like invading Thailand for Pearl Harbor.

You know that. Right?
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Lutherf said:
From 2009 to 2014 VA funding was increased from $97.7B to $153.8B yet these problems persisted. How much money do you figure we should throw at this problem before it gets fixed?
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I take it you're not going to answer Lutherf, because his point devastates your blame game.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
We attacked Afghanistan for harboring Alquiada training camps. You know that right?
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Afghanistan is not Iraq.

Had we only wiped out camps in Afghanistan, removed the Taliban and killed Al Qaeda, the war would have been over by 2004. We had it under control pretty quick. We lost control of Afghanistan when Bush focused our efforts on Iraq.

You know that right?
 
calamity said:
Afghanistan is not Iraq.

Had we only wiped out camps in Afghanistan, removed the Taliban and killed Al Qaeda, the war would have been over by 2004. We had it under control pretty quick. We lost control of Afghanistan when Bush focused our efforts on Iraq.

You know that right?
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You said Bush "started two unfunded wars". Iraq and ?
 
Lachean said:
I take it you're not going to answer Lutherf, because his point devastates your blame game.
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no it doesn't.

Hypocrisy? Here are the people who wanted Eric Shinseki fired but didn’t vote for VA funds.
Of the 14 Republican senators who have called for Shinseki’s ousting, 11 voted “no” on the bill. (All Democratic senators but one voted in favor.) This was true even though the bill’s House sponsor was Kentucky Republican Hal Rogers. Among Rogers’ Republican colleagues, Rep. Scott DesJarlais, who has called for Shinseki to step down, voted “no,” as did Democratic Reps. Tammy Duckworth, Derek Kilmer, Bruce Braley, Jerry McNerney, and Rick Nolan. (Reps. Kilmer, Duckworth, McNerney, and McCarthy voted for a subsequent version of the bill the increased VA funding several weeks later.)*
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Lutherf said:
From 2009 to 2014 VA funding was increased from $97.7B to $153.8B yet these problems persisted. How much money do you figure we should throw at this problem before it gets fixed? Would a Trillion be enough? Two trillion? Why do you think that money alone is going to fix anything?
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Gee I wonder why that is? :roll:
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Do you notice all those troops coming home beginning in....wait for it---2009?
 
Lutherf said:
From 2009 to 2014 VA funding was increased from $97.7B to $153.8B yet these problems persisted. How much money do you figure we should throw at this problem before it gets fixed? Would a Trillion be enough? Two trillion? Why do you think that money alone is going to fix anything?
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Yes, the VA budget increased by about 50%.

What you didn't mention, for reasons unknown, is the fact that the number of eligible veterans increased by 125% in the same period.

Why didn't you mention that? Did you think it wasn't important? Did you not know? Were you trying to hide that fact?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
1. Afghanistan and the Taliban harbored those who did attack us. 2, They started the war with us.
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1. Actually those who attacked us were here in the US.

2. Not really. Afghanistan and the Taliban certainly did not attack us. Pakistan was probably more culpable in that effort than Afghanistan. Afghanistan was however the place where Osama Bin Laden set up operations.
 
calamity said:
1. Actually those who attacked us were here in the US.

2. Not really. Afghanistan and the Taliban certainly did not attack us. Pakistan was probably more culpable in that effort than Afghanistan. Afghanistan was however the place where Osama Bin Laden set up operations.
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So IYO we should have not attacked terrorist training camps and the gov that harbored them?
 
calamity said:
Republicans, of course.

Senate GOP Blocks Veterans Benefits Bill - ABC News
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Blame Bush...blame Canada...but either way...

you cite as your 'reason' a vote from 2014 for an incident that has been ongoing for at least decades and certainly throughout this presidents 6 years. Speaks volumes...about you.

Once upon a time, both parties and their leaders had this capacity to come together on important legislation. Who is REALLY to blame? The mindless partisan voters from both parties in this country that send the same cast of characters to DC every election.
 
VanceMack said:
Blame Bush...blame Canada...but either way...

you cite as your 'reason' a vote from 2014 for an incident that has been ongoing for at least decades and certainly throughout this presidents 6 years. Speaks volumes...about you.

Once upon a time, both parties and their leaders had this capacity to come together on important legislation. Who is REALLY to blame? The mindless partisan voters from both parties in this country that send the same cast of characters to DC every election.
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If you look closely, you'll see constant GOP resistance to VA funding. The article posed in the op is only the latest round of this nonsense.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
So IYO we should have not attacked terrorist training camps and the gov that harbored them?
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We certainly did not have to stay there for 12 years. Surgically removing the camps and disrupting the Taliban would have been easy-peasy.
 
calamity said:
Gee I wonder why that is? :roll:


Do you notice all those troops coming home beginning in....wait for it---2009?
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Yep. There are more vets needing services now than there were 10 years ago.

But let's put this in perspective.

As of 2011, according to the VA, there are roughly 23 million living US veterans. If every single one of them used VA services that would work out to $6700 per veteran per year.

However, not every veteran uses or requires VA services. in 2012, again according to the VA, there were less than 6 million veteran patients handled by the VA. That comes out to a little more than $25k per veteran patient per year. Those 6 million patients accumulated 83.6 million outpatient visits so that gives us a little more than $1800 per visit, per veteran, per year.

Let me ask you again, how much is enough?
Utilization - NATIONAL CENTER FOR VETERANS ANALYSIS AND STATISTICS
 
Lutherf said:
Yep. There are more vets needing services now than there were 10 years ago.

But let's put this in perspective.

As of 2011, according to the VA, there are roughly 23 million living US veterans. If every single one of them used VA services that would work out to $6700 per veteran per year.

However, not every veteran uses or requires VA services. in 2012, again according to the VA, there were less than 6 million veteran patients handled by the VA. That comes out to a little more than $25k per veteran patient per year. Those 6 million patients accumulated 83.6 million outpatient visits so that gives us a little more than $1800 per visit, per veteran, per year.

Let me ask you again, how much is enough?
Utilization - NATIONAL CENTER FOR VETERANS ANALYSIS AND STATISTICS
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If we send them to war, we're stuck paying to fox them up. That's why I like drones.
 
calamity said:
If we send them to war, we're stuck paying to fox them up. That's why I like drones.
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While I'm not opposed to foxy veterans I don't see that as a necessary medical expense.;)

Drones, huh? Well, that's a whole 'nother topic but it's kind of amusing that someone who doesn't want civilians to have guns has no problem with giving the government the capability to remote control kill anyone they want to.
 
Lutherf said:
While I'm not opposed to foxy veterans I don't see that as a necessary medical expense.;)

Drones, huh? Well, that's a whole 'nother topic but it's kind of amusing that someone who doesn't want civilians to have guns has no problem with giving the government the capability to remote control kill anyone they want to.
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I have no problem with civillians having guns, especially smart guns or those with child proof triggers, if they are sane, responsible adults without criminal records. And, I prefer drone strikes over boots on the ground. I also prefer cars driven by computer rather than easily distracted humans.
 
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