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Billo_Really said:Unfortunately, most of the world (and just about every person I talked to that wasn't born here), think (for good reason), that Americans are narcissistic, arrogant a$$holes that don't give a $hit about anyone outside their own personal comfort zone. And now since the invasion of Iraq, we can add major f-ing hypocrits to that list as well.
If we continue to make excuses for our foriegn policy when it clearly proliferates its own kind of terror around the world on behalf of the WTO, were not going to make any new friends outside our borders. And we do need friends. But not at gun-point. And not with chants of USA, USA, USA! Because we don't deserve to be so proud of our country when we are no better than the people were trying to wipe-out. Only difference between us and the terrorists is, were not psycho! We just don't have any moral high ground anymore with the practice of renditions, refusal to administer certain provisions of the Geneva Conventions, Abu Ghraib, GITMO, our new dictionary of terms regarding enemy combatants and our disregard for UN Resolutions.
We have a wonderful opportunity to provide prima facia evidence to the world that Americans do care about others and we do change things when we see wrongs have been committed. Even if it means cleaning our own house. We can do this by first impeaching Bush for lying to Congress and various other war crimes...
And for you idiots out their that don't think he lied, let me refresh your pre-disposed memory. He said in his State of the Union address that Hussein was "... trying to get uranium from Niger..." when he knew (and the CIA told him beforehand), that they couldn't trust the sources [like the one they refered to as Curveball] for the British report. But he blew off all the dissenters and went with his own personal agenda (as proven with Downing Street) and lied to this nation and Congress (an impeachable offense). Our problem is Congress doesn't have any balls. And I'm afraid us Americans watch way too much tv to give them any.
...then replacing every god-damn member of Congress that can't seem to do their job without spending all of our god-damn money. But that's not going to happen until the neo-cons and libby's get in bed together work as voting Americans to make a change. It's not that hard to communicate a little better. If Teacher and I can do it, anybody can. Except for maybe "right-said" cnredd and "the challenger from columbia" stsburns.
One last thing. Is it just me, or does anyone else think Navy Pride looks like someone hanging around, waiting for some guy, in the kitchen at the Biltmore!
Who is the THEY you are refering too?Originally posted by The American:
..omg... yet another liberal?... our ONLY enemy till they strike us again!!!
The American said:..omg... yet another liberal?... our ONLY enemy till they strike us again!!!
Navy Pride said:Don't you know that according to Liberals and the left that Terrorists are just poor, misunderstood people and that when they commit their murderous terrorist attacks and kill innocent women and children that its not their fault? We should just turn the other cheek and try to understand them....... :roll:
Billo_Really said:And for you idiots out their that don't think he lied, let me refresh your pre-disposed memory. He said in his State of the Union address that Hussein was "... trying to get uranium from Niger..." when he knew (and the CIA told him beforehand), that they couldn't trust the sources [like the one they refered to as Curveball] for the British report. But he blew off all the dissenters and went with his own personal agenda (as proven with Downing Street) and lied to this nation and Congress (an impeachable offense). Our problem is Congress doesn't have any balls. And I'm afraid us Americans watch way too much tv to give them any.
Stinger said:Why do you on the left keep posting such misinformatin and downright lies?
Why do you keep posting such misinformation and downright lies? You need to get your facts straight before you post such blarney.Stinger said:Ahhhhhh, yes he was [trying to get uranium from Niger]...
Also from the oft ignored Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMDStinger said:and yes we found the yellow-cake with some of it already having gone through the first steps of processing.
What was the lie exactly?Stinger said:Wilson lied to the public.
I didn't overlook anything. I think whomever published that ad is a jerk that I would personnally like to get within arms reach of and say, "I'm an American! Watcha gonna do now bitch?" That's the kind of article that a lot of us can go off on in a big way. I consider him [and the ones who cut off heads] total living garbage.Originally posted by cnredd:
Billo, thank you for showing us how you feel....again....and again....and again...
There IS one thing that I'm sure you overlooked...The first paragraph in the thread...
"You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American. So an Australian dentist wrote the following to let everyone know what an American is, so they would know when they found one."
I noticed that you went straight passed this point and went directly into your usual hate-filled stuff(yawn). Apparently, it wasn't important enough for you to comment on.
This is a point the conservative side should ponder dropping. If for nothing else but the fact that this is an illogical arguement against someone who has problems with how the US is viewed in the International community. Just because I don't like us torturing prisoners, that does not mean I think we should set out the buffet for hungry terrorists. If I saw a terrorist scoping out an American GI and I was in the area with a gun, I would be the one firing the first shot. As for the other, I don't think you do "...understand." Because I'm not "...happy..." saying negative $hit about the actions of my government. I say it because I feel I'm partly responsible for what this country does in my name.Originally posted by cnredd:
One of the main points many on the conservative side believe is that some liberals give the terrorists a "free pass" while they are more than happy to denounce the US...I understand...It's a reflex...
No, that's a problem people like the cons [mostly neo's] make with irrational generalizations after hearing certain people make the point that your not going to solve terrorism without understanding what causes it in the first place. It is an illogical jump to go from the latter to thinking it also means terrorists' should get an "all inclusive payed for trip" to the Sandals with Carl Jung. You just don't solve problems until you get to the root. I understand this. And I got a "D" in algebra.Originally posted by cnredd:
So if you ever post how Cons always "group" the Libs together as people who want to give the terrorists therapy, and the sort, I don't think you need to look any further as to why than right here...
I bet you did...Originally posted by cnredd:
I also noticed something about your very first paragraph...
In the words of Ronald [I fall asleep in Congress but I am the greatest American] Reagan, "There you go again!" I don't have a clue as to why you are trying to juxtapose my statement with the aukker's [a term my former kiwi roomate used in reference to aussie's]. But if you think you can score a point here, I say "go for it, homie!"Originally posted by cnredd:
Unfortunately, most of the world (and just about every person I talked to that wasn't born here), think (for good reason), that Americans are narcissistic, arrogant a$$holes that don't give a $hit about anyone outside their own personal comfort zone. And now since the invasion of Iraq, we can add major f-ing hypocrits to that list as well.
And yet you post this in response to a letter from an Austalian dentist.
What are you talking about? I agree with what he says. If you would stop thinking about everything in terms of black and white, if-then, either-or, then you might see there are many other choices [or positions] on an issue than just two. I fully realize that this is a great country with a lot of good Americans. I certainly hope there are more of them than the narcissists. But this wasn't proven in the last election. We put people in office that have completly destroyed all the nobility and respect we earned after WWII. And it really angers me that you do not realize that our current direction of this country is making all their deaths [as well as the ones in Vietnam, Korea, Grenada and first Persian Gulf war] now dying in vane!Originally posted by cnredd:
Are we ...[who's this WE?]... to assume ...[you know what you do when you assume]... that you believe his opinion doesn't count? What about the people that agree with him? Are they discounted because their views disagree with yours?
I know what I write...I recognize the tome...Originally posted by cnredd:
"You don't look at anything objectively, do you?"
This is what you wrote to me yesterday in "Polls - Is Corporatism the biggest threat to life on earth?"...Post #39.
Similar response as "greatest American" comment above. Sans the aussie reference.Originally posted by cnredd:
I see you have made it your core belief to not listen to your own words...
You watch too much TV. But I will give you credit [and also admire] that this is probably the second time I've seen you respond as a human being by talking too me, instead of at me. Enough a$$-kissing! You don't have the pre-requistes to be in Teachers' class. Unless you can answer the following question:Originally posted by cnredd:
He shoots...he scores!
Stinger said:Ahhhhhh, yes he was and yes we found the yellow-cake with some of it already having gone through the first steps of processing. Wilson lied to the public. The Brits to this day still stand by thier report. The only thing our intelligence services said was that they didn't know about it and could not confirm it, not that they did not believe it to be true. You need to get your facts straight before you post such blarney.
Why do you on the left keep posting such misinformatin and downright lies?
This post has to be one of the all time stupidest posts ever published on this site. Anyone who would write such drivel has zero creditability, IMHO.Navy Pride said:Don't you know that according to Liberals and the left that Terrorists are just poor, misunderstood people and that when they commit their murderous terrorist attacks and kill innocent women and children that its not their fault? We should just turn the other cheek and try to understand them....... :roll:
Really? Funny even Rove said that the report was wrong? I'm really interested in seeing where you're getting this heretofore unknown information? Please enlighten us with proof of this outrageous claim?Stinger said:Ahhhhhh, yes he was and yes we found the yellow-cake with some of it already having gone through the first steps of processing.
:rofl :rofl :roflStinger said:You need to get your facts straight before you post such blarney.
Why do you on the left keep posting such misinformatin and downright lies?
Doesn't his [Navy Pride] avatar look like he's somebody hanging around the kitchen of the Biltmore waiting for someone?Originally Posted by 26x Champs in response to the following:
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This post has to be one of the all time stupidest posts ever published on this site. Anyone who would write such drivel has zero creditability, IMHO.Originally Posted by Navy Pride
Don't you know that according to Liberals and the left that Terrorists are just poor, misunderstood people and that when they commit their murderous terrorist attacks and kill innocent women and children that its not their fault? We should just turn the other cheek and try to understand them.......
Surely you can come up with a somewhat intelligent argument that is not based in rhetoric and bullshit? And I promise to not call you Surely again....(Ever see Airplane?)
Navy Pride said:Don't you know that according to Liberals and the left that Terrorists are just poor, misunderstood people and that when they commit their murderous terrorist attacks and kill innocent women and children that its not their fault? We should just turn the other cheek and try to understand them....... :roll:
26 X World Champs said:This post has to be one of the all time stupidest posts ever published on this site. Anyone who would write such drivel has zero creditability, IMHO.
Surely you can come up with a somewhat intelligent argument that is not based in rhetoric and bullshit? And I promise to not call you Surely again....(Ever see Airplane?)
isnt turn the other cheak also old testament and kristian thing to do?The American said:Thank you Navy... good analyse there! ...maybe that`s why Billo asked who are "they"..?? :doh
I call a big fat bullshit on this. Can you back this up?Navy Pride said:The day after 9/11/01 there was a petition on moveon.org signed by 500,000 liberals to try and reason and negotiate with Bin laden instead of take him out...
No, I asked "who's this they" to bring attention to the fact that we are in a perpetual state of war with no tangible way to predict how it will end. This war on terror is bull$hit! I would like someone to tell me how it will end.Originally Posted by The American
Thank you Navy... good analyse there! ...maybe that`s why Billo asked who are "they"..??
Another post bathed in pure genius. "people like you." "german or russian"Navy Pride said:....If we left it to people like you we all would be speaking german or russian today......
Get a clue....they want to kill even a bleeding heart liberal like you.........
Simon W. Moon said:I call a big fat bullshit on this. Can you back this up?
Well, your "hero of 911" was too pu$$y to serve his last two years of military service! At least the "loser of 2004" had the "stones" to go to Vietnam!Originally posted by Navy Pride:
It was all over the news a couple of weeks ago when Rove made a speech about Liberal being weak against terrorism............Go to moveon.org and ask them about it..........
One of the biggest Liberals of all your loser presidential candidate in 2004 said that the fight against terrorism is a police action............yeah, right.....
You're right Simon, his comment was bullshit. The mere fact that he cannot produce any evidence whatsoever is proof enough. The whole concept that .5 million Americans asked to negotiate with OBL right after 9-11 is such BS that it again reduces the creditabilty of the writer to zero.Navy Pride said:It was all over the news a couple of weeks ago when Rove made a speech about Liberal being weak against terrorism............Go to moveon.org and ask them about it..........
Does anyone know what a rumor monger is? It's someone who makes unsubstantiated claims that are false. Sometimes they do so on purpose, but in these instances they appear to do so simply based on ignorance.Navy Pride said:One of the biggest Liberals of all your loser presidential candidate in 2004 said that the fight against terrorism is a police action............yeah, right.
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