Arcadius
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I'm going to keep my opinion out of the first post. I think the title pretty much sizes things up. George W. Bush vs. Barack Hussein Obama
Started 2 wars, high oil prices as a result of those two wars, Patriot Act, faith based initiatives, associating political opponents with terrorism(which has been used by the Republican party well after they left), demonstrated nepotism, completely denied the concept of waterboarding as a torturing method(even though the US had convicted Japanese soldiers of doing the same), "Brownie"...
The list of crap that the Bush administration has tied its name to is simply too long to remember.
As far as reputation goes? Bush.
As far as taking away rights? They are about even.
As far as spending money like its going out of style? Obama.
So all in all I would say that they are about even.
What about the debt? I agree Bush was worse for reputation purposes but what's more important... our reputation with other countries or ability to stay afloat financially?
Realize that the majority of the debt was inevitable with the recession when Obama took office. When the economy hits recession, revenue drops like a rock from where it would be without the recession for obvious reasons. You really cannot judge Obama's debt at all until the final story is done.
Realize that the majority of the debt was inevitable with the recession when Obama took office. When the economy hits recession, revenue drops like a rock from where it would be without the recession for obvious reasons. You really cannot judge Obama's debt at all until the final story is done.
I personally don't blame Obama for the debt. As you said that was inevitable. However spending like he has in the middle of a recession just makes things worse.
Depends. It is entirely possible that without the spending the economy would be in worse shape, which means correspondingly lower revenue, and thus still much debt and a longer time to come out of the recession and the downturn.
I don't think you can really judge how much damage either has done for some years yet.
Bush, hands down.
Well. That was easy-peasy.
true-I voted Bush because he let the dems get hold of congress:mrgreen:
Obama will most likely surpass Bush by a wide margin though
the GOP congress though might put a leash on sham wow
Maybe he will. I'm not all that happy with Obama either. However, Bush is the one who got us into two unwinnable wars and turned a balanced budget into the worst deficit in our history. Obama inherited all that, then turned around and made it worse.
I agree that it might have taken longer to get out of the recession...(though I still think that we are in the recession) However all that has happened is at best a bandaid affect. What should have happened is to let those big corporations fail and collapse. Yes that would have meant harder times. But I think it would have been better in the long run.
Big corporations have a tendency to stomp out the little guys. Half the time without even realizing it. This leads to monopolies, which in turn leads to stagnation because theres no real competition to make the corporation try to stay on top. By letting those corporations fall it would have allowed more competition to surface. Which is good for the common consumer. Competition means lower prices, which in turn means more spending because people can afford <X item here>.
This post is of course just a small part of why I think Gov spending in the middle of a recession is bad. I won't get into more of it as this is neither the thread, nor do I really feel like getting into such a debate.
I would definitely agree with at least "one" unwinnable war. But two? Last I knew Iraq was considered as a win?
I'm going to keep my opinion out of the first post. I think the title pretty much sizes things up. George W. Bush vs. Barack Hussein Obama
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