Who Are These People?

[Oozlefinch]

The building in your example had no walls or windows - nothing to block the sounds. What a moron!

Ohh, so a building with half it's windows missing is totally soundproof, and you can't hear explosions from inside of it.

As far as the heat and melting of steel, look at the winds blowing through the windows. See how fast the flames are being blown out because of the wind acting like a chimney through the building. Can you say "blast furnace"?

 

[sKiTzo]

As far as the heat and melting of steel, look at the winds blowing through the windows. See how fast the flames are being blown out because of the wind acting like a chimney through the building. Can you say "blast furnace"?

Who said anything about the "heat and melting of steel"? Or "wind acting like a chimney"? If you clicked on the link and watched from 6:02 to 6:05 you saw that explosives are what was used to facilitate the collapse.

 

[sKiTzo]

Well, I had started this thread with a question - I had been closely following the republican primaries and was shocked by what I saw going on in the Republican primaries and was even more shocked when it became apparent that nothing was going to be done about it, or that nothing could be done about it, as it ended up being that no laws were broken because the Republican party rules for the proceedings, that were in place to ensure the integrity of the election process, are not federal laws but just rules that the party could apply or ignore at whim.

So I'm watching all of this play out, and meanwhile, I see Obama still has supporters despite his shortcomings, as well as his oversteppings such as when he perjured himself by signing NDAA section 1021, which was later removed by a federal judge who described it as "chilling". It bewilders me that any american would consider supporting Obama after all this. THEY ARE SUPPORTING A MAN WHO IS TRYING TO TAKE US DOWN ECONOMICALLY, SOCIALLY, AND EVEN PHYSICALLY (with section 1021 of NDAA). With Romney, they are supporting the same thing. Romney is going to take us down (if you disagree bring it on - I'd love to hear your counterpoint for Romney - I'll shred it full of holes!

Ron Paul was THE solution. He was going to RESTORE america and abolish all aspects of the corrupt federal regime, and put a lid on the military industrial complex who are, by the way, THE SOURCE of our problems. I processed all of this information and I just couldn't believe people were so stupid that they would support their own demise. So I asked: WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??

The thread quickly turned into a debate about 911 and my question was never answered. I want to know why people support their own demise and reject the only chance at a solution. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?? Introduce yourselves- come and tell us why Obamney is better than Ron Paul and how you think anything BUT Ron Paul is not economic suicide.

 

[mike2810]

The thread quickly turned into a debate about 911 and my question was never answered. I want to know why people support their own demise and reject the only chance at a solution. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?? Introduce yourselves- come and tell us why Obamney is better than Ron Paul and how you think anything BUT Ron Paul is not economic suicide.

because we don't accept your opinion of the situation. Unless made King, no President can make the changes Ron Paul would like to do. Some maybe, but not all. How to you think RP would get all of his items through Congress?

 

[Bodi]

With so much going on right now in the world and here with Ron Paul, we're seeing alot of the showing of true colors - organizations like the mainstream media and the Republican GOP just making a mockery of our country. Here we are with thorough and overwhelming video documentation of the Republicans openly cheating in the caucuses, I mean just pathetically acting like children...it's - I'm embarrassed for them really. The message is quite clear- Mitt Romney or Obama are going to be president , not Ron Paul, and we don't care that 70% (Google/Facebook poll May 2012) of America wants Ron Paul to be president. Our little illusion we have always created to make you think you have a choice is now exposed because of Ron Paul, so even if you have to see public displays of our unlawful primaries, we don't give a **** because the endgame is at hand...
What I'm getting at is that even with all THAT **** going on, incredibly, people still think Ron Paul is nuts! Does anybody see the irony? It makes me really wonder.....who are these people, and how can they be so ignorant and gullible? Are these AMERICANS? Americans that don't want freedom? That would think the world a much better place if they were OWNED and their every move monitored? They want to be thrown out of their houses, etc.? Who the **** are these Americans? They actually support Romney - just look at the guy! But really, just listen to him. How can anybody hear this fruitcake and say "Yeah this is who we trust." Obama, same thing only we've already seen 4 years of him perjuring himself by eroding the constitution when he took an oath to uphold it. The following says it all:

Quote: "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank."

I just want to know why there are Americans who want to watch the country being brought down and the people enslaved by a totalitarian regime. Do they think they will be the lucky few who won't be subject to all of this? Are they really that clueless? The mountains of evidence regarding 911 and people STILL say we are crazy!! It's so ridiculous that I have to ask, who are they? Who ARE these people? They don't sound American.

Enslaved by a totalitarian regime... :lol:

...I love it!

 

[Bodi]

Well, I had started this thread with a question - I had been closely following the republican primaries and was shocked by what I saw going on in the Republican primaries and was even more shocked when it became apparent that nothing was going to be done about it, or that nothing could be done about it, as it ended up being that no laws were broken because the Republican party rules for the proceedings, that were in place to ensure the integrity of the election process, are not federal laws but just rules that the party could apply or ignore at whim.

So I'm watching all of this play out, and meanwhile, I see Obama still has supporters despite his shortcomings, as well as his oversteppings such as when he perjured himself by signing NDAA section 1021, which was later removed by a federal judge who described it as "chilling". It bewilders me that any american would consider supporting Obama after all this. THEY ARE SUPPORTING A MAN WHO IS TRYING TO TAKE US DOWN ECONOMICALLY, SOCIALLY, AND EVEN PHYSICALLY (with section 1021 of NDAA). With Romney, they are supporting the same thing. Romney is going to take us down (if you disagree bring it on - I'd love to hear your counterpoint for Romney - I'll shred it full of holes!

Ron Paul was THE solution. He was going to RESTORE america and abolish all aspects of the corrupt federal regime, and put a lid on the military industrial complex who are, by the way, THE SOURCE of our problems. I processed all of this information and I just couldn't believe people were so stupid that they would support their own demise. So I asked: WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??

The thread quickly turned into a debate about 911 and my question was never answered. I want to know why people support their own demise and reject the only chance at a solution. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?? Introduce yourselves- come and tell us why Obamney is better than Ron Paul and how you think anything BUT Ron Paul is not economic suicide.

Ron Paul was the best choice... sure, but to say that he would restore America is crazy.

The system is soooo ****ed up that no one person will be a solution.

 

[sKiTzo]

because we don't accept your opinion of the situation. Unless made King, no President can make the changes Ron Paul would like to do. Some maybe, but not all. How to you think RP would get all of his items through Congress?

He could veto the spending and put a stop to the racketeering "military industrial complex" that plagues us. It's not cool to use war as a business and send troops to die "for their country". Why would you support that? What "Paul" items would congress not support?

 

[mike2810]

He could veto the spending and put a stop to the racketeering "military industrial complex" that plagues us. It's not cool to use war as a business and send troops to die "for their country". Why would you support that? What "Paul" items would congress not support?

what "Paul" items would Congress support.

Congress for many years have not agreed on many issues. Hence why the continuing resolution for a budget rather than a specific passed budget. They can't agree on immigration, type of health care, etc. I doubt his ideas on taxes would get very far with the Democrats.

I support a strong National Defence/military. Why don't you? So you are for a weak military for the US?

Yes a President can veto items. But Congress can also override the veto.

 

[Oozlefinch]

He could veto the spending and put a stop to the racketeering "military industrial complex" that plagues us. It's not cool to use war as a business and send troops to die "for their country". Why would you support that? What "Paul" items would congress not support?

How nice. You care more about my dying in support of my country then I do.

Ron Paul would be about as effective as President as Ross Perot would have been. In other words, a complete disaster.

Trust me when I say that Congress would have little trouble overriding vetos by "President Paul". When you have an antagonistic President (or Governor), it is amazing what kinds of things Congress can do in order to get along and make things happen with or without Presidential support. Remember, the making of laws is quite complex, but essentially the President approves or dissaproves them, and that is all. He can submit a law to Congress, but unless the party in charge wants to do anything with it, it will just sit there once submitted.

The President really can't "make" them listen to him, and he can't force them to adopt a bill, rush it through all the various levels within Congress, then approve it and send it back to him for approval. And quite often that is exactly what happens. I mean, look at NAFTA for goodness sakes. Proposed by President Reagan in 1986, lobbied for by President Bush Sr, finally signed under President Clinton 8 years later.

Do you think most "Paul Proposals" would have those kind of "legs"? I don't. They would be sent to Congress, run through a few committies, then allowed to die before it ever got out of them.

 

[sKiTzo]

How nice. You care more about my dying in support of my country then I do.

Ron Paul would be about as effective as President as Ross Perot would have been. In other words, a complete disaster.

Ross Perot? If you're comparing him to Ross Perot then you know nothing about what he can or cannot do. After over 30 years in congress he knows this stuff inside and out, not to mention all of his predictions came true and this has been acknowledged by many.
He is, without a doubt, more qualified than romney will ever be. He owns romney in every debate. His ideas are not crazy. They are simply what the Republican party SAYS they are about but we see that they are really not anymore.

 

[sKiTzo]

what "Paul" items would Congress support.

Congress for many years have not agreed on many issues. Hence why the continuing resolution for a budget rather than a specific passed budget. They can't agree on immigration, type of health care, etc. I doubt his ideas on taxes would get very far with the Democrats.

I support a strong National Defence/military. Why don't you? So you are for a weak military for the US?

Yes a President can veto items. But Congress can also override the veto.

So if we were to stop bombing women and children in the middle east and bring the troops home and mind our own business, saving trillions of dollars, face, and lives, that translates in your mind as "we have a weak military"?

 

[mike2810]

So if we were to stop bombing women and children in the middle east and bring the troops home and mind our own business, saving trillions of dollars, face, and lives, that translates in your mind as "we have a weak military"?

No, but it must in yours.:mrgreen:

 

[Oozlefinch]

Ross Perot? If you're comparing him to Ross Perot then you know nothing about what he can or cannot do.

Well, I know that he can't get but a tiny majority of Republicans to support him in the Primaries, so that is all that really matters really for the Presidential beliefs of Ron Paul.

 

[sKiTzo]

Well, I know that he can't get but a tiny majority of Republicans to support him in the Primaries, so that is all that really matters really for the Presidential beliefs of Ron Paul.

Right, so you've just admitted that you post arguments on subject matter you know nothing about. I already knew that.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Right, so you've just admitted that you post arguments on subject matter you know nothing about. I already knew that.

Look, whatever.

Yet another Ron Paul kook, that does not comprehend at all why the vast majority of the Republican Party (not to mention the nation) thinks he is nothing but a nutcase. But you are in complete denial about this.

 

[sKiTzo]

Look, whatever.

Yet another Ron Paul kook, that does not comprehend at all why the vast majority of the Republican Party (not to mention the nation) thinks he is nothing but a nutcase. But you are in complete denial about this.

Ron Paul is crazy but you don't know why. You just know that's what everybody told you to think and I'm a kook and a nutcase for pointing that out. O----kay......

 

[Oozlefinch]

Ron Paul is crazy but you don't know why. You just know that's what everybody told you to think and I'm a kook and a nutcase for pointing that out. O----kay......

Actually, I got most of my information about Ron Paul from Ron Paul himself. So don't try blaming the Media for that.





This guy is completely loonytunes. 80% of the time he talks it makes almost no sense, it is little more then a listing of conspiracy theory type crap. And the rest of the time he simply goes on and on about how much better he would be.

And this guy has been running for President since 1988! He is like Pat Paulson. According to him, every evil in the world is the fault of the US and Israel, and he just repeats the same rant over and over again. Most of the nation knows he is a nutcase, the Republican Party knows he is a nutcase, and I often question the sanity of those that do not understand that.

And if you want to blame anybody for my believing he is a nutcase, then blame Ron Paul. I listen to him talk and shake my head at the pure coprolite that spews out of his mouth (when what he says makes any kind of coherent sense at all).

 

[sKiTzo]

Actually, I got most of my information about Ron Paul from Ron Paul himself. So don't try blaming the Media for that.





This guy is completely loonytunes. 80% of the time he talks it makes almost no sense, it is little more then a listing of conspiracy theory type crap. And the rest of the time he simply goes on and on about how much better he would be.

And this guy has been running for President since 1988! He is like Pat Paulson. According to him, every evil in the world is the fault of the US and Israel, and he just repeats the same rant over and over again. Most of the nation knows he is a nutcase, the Republican Party knows he is a nutcase, and I often question the sanity of those that do not understand that.

And if you want to blame anybody for my believing he is a nutcase, then blame Ron Paul. I listen to him talk and shake my head at the pure coprolite that spews out of his mouth (when what he says makes any kind of coherent sense at all).

So he "spews nonsense", and the videos you posted are supposed to be him spewing the nonsense. Well, of course it won't make sense to you or anybody else who thinks that we need to be in the middle east to protect our "friends" at the cost of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars that is breaking us and will end up being the cause of us to go trillions more into debt and will ultimately cause complete economic chaos. He also points out that the idea that we are "safer" because of what we're doing over there is a total illusion and I have to agree that I certainly don't feel safer. The more we are over there imposing our will the safer we're supposed to be? Oh yeah, that makes sense. Not to mention that the media here is not giving us the real story. There are videos that are being posted by our soldiers who are saying that (to quote him directly) "there is no honor in what we are doing over here". They're bombing civilians including women and children and they are marauding around kicking doors in at 3 in the morning and terrorizing families and the ones who try to fight back - these are the "terrorist insurgents". The only reason we're there is because the military industrial complex has hijacked the government here and war is their livelihood. They are sucking us dry. If that makes "sense" to you and putting an end to it before they put an end to US doesn't, then yeah, you're not gonna like Ron Paul. Look who ends up getting screwed though.

 

[ecofarm]

Ron Paul is crazy but you don't know why. You just know that's what everybody told you to think and I'm a kook and a nutcase for pointing that out. O----kay......

Well, there is your name.

 

[Quag]

So he "spews nonsense", and the videos you posted are supposed to be him spewing the nonsense. Well, of course it won't make sense to you or anybody else who thinks that we need to be in the middle east to protect our "friends" at the cost of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars that is breaking us and will end up being the cause of us to go trillions more into debt and will ultimately cause complete economic chaos. He also points out that the idea that we are "safer" because of what we're doing over there is a total illusion and I have to agree that I certainly don't feel safer. The more we are over there imposing our will the safer we're supposed to be? Oh yeah, that makes sense. Not to mention that the media here is not giving us the real story. There are videos that are being posted by our soldiers who are saying that (to quote him directly) "there is no honor in what we are doing over here". They're bombing civilians including women and children and they are marauding around kicking doors in at 3 in the morning and terrorizing families and the ones who try to fight back - these are the "terrorist insurgents". The only reason we're there is because the military industrial complex has hijacked the government here and war is their livelihood. They are sucking us dry. If that makes "sense" to you and putting an end to it before they put an end to US doesn't, then yeah, you're not gonna like Ron Paul. Look who ends up getting screwed though.

didnt you notice in the videos how RP behaved? He was talking all over everyone else not letting them say anything and basically being disrespectful and acting like a jerk or a small child. This is the way you want a president to behave?
I really havent paid much attention to RP to be honest but these videos make him look very very bad

 

[Rainman05]

Ben Stein is a jackass. From all perspectives. From the way he looks to the way he talks and to what he stands by, he is a jackass.

first off, his face. Just look at it. You can tell just by looking at his face, that he, is a jackass. If you were to put the picture of a donkey and the picture of Ben stein's face next to each other, with a bit of imagination, they would seem identical.

From the way he talks... I mean, it is so painfully clear that this guy, if he wasn't considered some big shot in the media-political world, for whatever reason, would be used as comic relief in low-budget local films. The kind of person you invite on stage or in a picture just so that he is laughing stock of the entire production. A helpful idiot.

What he stands by.. is painfully clear. More wars, more attrition, more of the same. The very notion of putting him in the position of justifying his rhetoric is met with fierce resistance (that's the same anti-semitic argument) even when it doesn't make sense.

That being said... I don't know why Larry King is still in showbiz. He should have retired long time ago.

 

[Oozlefinch]

So he "spews nonsense", and the videos you posted are supposed to be him spewing the nonsense. Well, of course it won't make sense to you or anybody else who thinks that we need to be in the middle east to protect our "friends" at the cost of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars that is breaking us and will end up being the cause of us to go trillions more into debt and will ultimately cause complete economic chaos.

Oh yes, I guess that is why I myself have deployed to the Middle East. Because I believe in killing Americans.

Funny how people can be so concerned for the lives of "Americans", yet not care to ask us what we ourselves think about it. Thank you, but I do my own thinking for myself, I do not need you to do it for me. But if you do not choose to put your life at risk, that is fine. But do not tell me what I choose to do.

 

[Oozlefinch]

didnt you notice in the videos how RP behaved? He was talking all over everyone else not letting them say anything and basically being disrespectful and acting like a jerk or a small child. This is the way you want a president to behave?
I really havent paid much attention to RP to be honest but these videos make him look very very bad

And that is exactly what I think as well. When he talks he just rambles, and mostly about how others treat him-us badly. Or how things are out of control because of others, and he can fix them. More or less the same thing Ross Perot said a few decades ago.

He is so rude and abrasive, that I pretty much flush his message because of that alone. The fact that his message is normally conspiracy crap does not help matters either.

 

[Oozlefinch]

From the way he talks... I mean, it is so painfully clear that this guy, if he wasn't considered some big shot in the media-political world, for whatever reason, would be used as comic relief in low-budget local films. The kind of person you invite on stage or in a picture just so that he is laughing stock of the entire production. A helpful idiot.

OK, fine. You do not like Ben Stein. Do you even know who he is?

Son of a well known economist, he himself has been both a lawyer and an economist. As well as a professor of law and economics. He was also a speechwriter for 2 Presidents, made comments on the US Tax code (it is to lenient on the wealthy), and has endorsed candidates from Al Franken to Ralph Nader.

And yes, he has been an actor, most famous in some forgotten movie that the husband of Sarah Jessica Parker made.

 

[Rainman05]

OK, fine. You do not like Ben Stein. Do you even know who he is?

Son of a well known economist, he himself has been both a lawyer and an economist. As well as a professor of law and economics. He was also a speechwriter for 2 Presidents, made comments on the US Tax code (it is to lenient on the wealthy), and has endorsed candidates from Al Franken to Ralph Nader.

And yes, he has been an actor, most famous in some forgotten movie that the husband of Sarah Jessica Parker made.

Doesn't matter who his parents are. He is a jackass for the correct reasons stated before.