Who Are the Real Insurrectionists? (3 Viewers)

[Rich2018]

Virtually every Social Security inspector disagreed that there was any fraud in the system..

Until DOGE revealed recipients born before 1800 getting checks.

Sorry, there were checks being cut for people born before 1800 ?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'll get to a more detailed look at your attempts to goalpost-shift later, but.... just to be clear: you do know this makes you look uninformed and disconnected from reality, right?

LOL

How does it make me uninformed to recognize your gaslighting?

Somehow a solid percent of the DP left decided that if they called themselves "conservative" while still promoting leftist ideas, they would fool people.

I've been curious as to why, do you think people will say "Well CP is a Conservative and supports the same things Bernie Sanders does, so that must be the conservative position, I'll adopt them."

Why claim to be what you clearly are not?

 

[soap box]

LOL

How does it make me uninformed to recognize your gaslighting?

Somehow a solid percent of the DP left decided that if they called themselves "conservative" while still promoting leftist ideas, they would fool people.

I've been curious as to why, do you think people will say "Well CP is a Conservative and supports the same things Bernie Sanders does, so that must be the conservative position, I'll adopt them."

Why claim to be what you clearly are not?

You didn't refute anything. You only attacked the person. You need to read/skim Lost not Stolen to see what the truth is. If you can't refute that report, and if you can't refute our fellow members then how do you know what you're talking about?

 

[Uncensored2008]

This is incorrect both specifically and generally.

You mean it goes against party dogma?

Generally, Elon Musk claimed that workers born before 1900 were getting checks.

What he stated is;

{Musk and DOGE have not stated that Social Security payments were going out to every "eligible" number holder, but Musk has argued that the inaccurate data may have caused more indirect government waste.}

Social Security conducting 'major' records cleanup, marking 9.9M listed age 120+ as deceased

The Social Security Administration has cleared out nearly 10 million instances of Americans with ages over 120 who were wrongfully classified as living.

www.foxbusiness.com

Specifically, what occurred is that the 20-somethings' working DOGE didn't understand the older code that OASI's support structure was written in.

Paywalled and from notoriously leftist Wired - not that I would expect a source from you that wasn't radical left.

That system applies a date of 1875 when it doesn't have a number - so, for passed-on recipients who didn't have birthdates in the system, it records them as 1875 - 150 years ago. Not a single person who had 1875 assigned was receiving benefits

I suppose I should take Wired's word for this - it's not like they lied about the Diebold machines in 2004 and then defended the same machines in 2020 - refuting their own previous lies. Hey, party matters, fact not as much.

- the system is designed to automatically cut people off at 115, regardless of whether death has been reported. The system simply continues to hold the records of those who have passed - which is why 98% of those who are over 100 in the system no longer receive benefits. They have passed.

Is it? The DOGE team openly disputes this claim. COBOL is an old language, but not incomprensible. I suspect GROK can easily analyze the relevant code.

 

[Fledermaus]

No one said they did. What the democrat controlled court ruled was that address verification was not required for mail in ballots.

Your straw man has collapsed.



That's nice.

You of the far left have fought any and all cleansing of voter registration rolls, removal of those that moved, or died. That allowed massive proxy voting, filling out votes for these "stale" registrations - which are utterly undetectable. Audit all we want - they will never be found.



Nope, just assuming that and other such sites are the sources you use. Nothing you post would not be said by Rachel Maddow - nothing.



And by "varied" you mean CNN as well as MSNBC, Washington Post as well as NY Times.



"Stolen" is debatable. 2020 was the most corrupt election in America history. The Covid lockdowns were leveraged by your side to alter and pervert voting procedures, on a massive scale.

In 2023, 11 states passed tough new election integrity laws. In 2024 - you lost.

Coincidence? Not at all. You won't be able to repeat 2020 with these laws in place.



Dude, you're every bit as conservative as AOC, and almost as conservative as Bernie Sanders.

You keep saying "2020 was the most corrupt election in America history".

Your knowledge of history is apparently lacking.

 

[cpwill]

You mean it goes against party dogma?

What he stated is;

{Musk and DOGE have not stated that Social Security payments were going out to every "eligible" number holder, but Musk has argued that the inaccurate data may have caused more indirect government waste.}

Social Security conducting 'major' records cleanup, marking 9.9M listed age 120+ as deceased

The Social Security Administration has cleared out nearly 10 million instances of Americans with ages over 120 who were wrongfully classified as living.

www.foxbusiness.com

Paywalled and from notoriously leftist Wired - not that I would expect a source from you that wasn't radical left.

I suppose I should take Wired's word for this - it's not like they lied about the Diebold machines in 2004 and then defended the same machines in 2020 - refuting their own previous lies. Hey, party matters, fact not as much.

I notice that you have no counter evidence whatsoever to the point about COBOL, the point about ages, or the point about how those individuals are not receiving payments.

I'm not aware of WIRED lying about Diebold machines in either year, however, you may benefit from actually reading source materials, where you could learn things like the fact that Diebold got out of the machine voting business in 2009 (though the systems themselves continued), as opposed to whatever you are currently getting this stuff from.

Where are you getting this stuff from?

Is it? The DOGE team openly disputes this claim. COBOL is an old language, but not incomprensible. I suspect GROK can easily analyze the relevant code.

You were provided a variety of sources, including links back to Social Security itself. If your basic argument is "Anything that tells me information contrary to that which I desire to be true must - by definition - therefore be lies", then, well:

1. We have a conspiracy forum for that sort of reasoning; you may wish to check it out, and

2. It's probably not worth it for anyone who wants to know what the real-world ground truth is to talk to you.​

However, that's the reality, man. COBOL sets the date to 1875. A bunch of younger programmers who had never worked with COBOL thought it meant the system was claiming that all these people were suddenly 150 years old, and apparently never thought to check either the age-distribution tables to see if maybe they were mis-reading something, or whether there was another reason why the system would generate that result before Elon just went public with the claim.

 

[cpwill]

You keep saying "2020 was the most corrupt election in America history".

Your knowledge of history is apparently lacking.

As near as I can tell, he's picked up an unfortunately typical radical assumption that History started with his memory, and nothing before that matters.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I notice that you have no counter evidence whatsoever to the point about COBOL, the point about ages, or the point about how those individuals are not receiving payments.

What point?

By default COBOL would set dates that are not StrictDate() to 1900. One could write a custom function, but it would be odd to set the date back 25 years and make it a four digit date

I'm not aware of WIRED lying about Diebold machines in either year

Of course you're not, the party isn't going to share such things with you.

How E-Voting Threatens Democracy

As the controversy around e-voting grew last year, parodies like this one began to emerge. This Hustler magazine spoof focuses on an election in Georgia that resulted in a major upset by winning Republican candidate Sonny Perdue over Democratic incumbent Roy Barnes. Perdue won with only 51...

www.wired.com

Election deniers aren’t waiting for November

They can't both be true - but hey - party matters.

, however, you may benefit from actually reading source materials, where you could learn things like the fact that Diebold got out of the machine voting business in 2009 (though the systems themselves continued), as opposed to whatever you are currently getting this stuff from.

Oh, awesome. So they didn't just change their name to Dominion?

You're not lying, are you? You know, for the party..

formerly Diebold Election Systems, Inc. (DESI)

Dominion Voting Systems - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Where are you getting this stuff from?

I provide you links. Granted, not all are from the party...

You were provided a variety of sources, including links back to Social Security itself. If your basic argument is "Anything that tells me information contrary to that which I desire to be true must - by definition - therefore be lies", then, well:

As were you./

1. We have a conspiracy forum for that sort of reasoning; you may wish to check it out, and​

​

2. It's probably not worth it for anyone who wants to know what the real-world ground truth is to talk to you.​

However, that's the reality, man. COBOL sets the date to 1875.

Nope, Cobal set the date to 1900 - effectively century stripping. Most COBOL depends on frameworks. Those such as CICS didn't even handle 4 digit dates, the source of the Y2K conspiracy theories that were so popular.

A bunch of younger programmers who had never worked with COBOL

Have you worked with COBOL, or any language?

thought it meant the system was claiming that all these people were suddenly 150 years old, and apparently never thought to check either the age-distribution tables to see if maybe they were mis-reading something, or whether there was another reason why the system would generate that result before Elon just went public with the claim.

Not what was reported. They correctly identified THOUSANDS of eligible entries that had dates set prior to 1900. While you madly spin for your party - no one disputes this is fact.

 

[Sandokan]

You keep saying "2020 was the most corrupt election in America history".

Your knowledge of history is apparently lacking.

Most of the time the last election shows an increased in the number of total votes. In the 2020 presidential election Biden obtained 81.283 million votes and Trump 74.224, a total of 155.507 million votes. In the 2024 election Trump obtained 76.429 million votes and Harry 73.737, a total of 150.166 votes. Total of votes decreased by 5.341 million. How come? Democrats votes decreased by 7.546 million. Why did it happen? Seems like a number of millions of votes Biden got in 2020 were fraudulent.

 

[Fledermaus]

Most of the time the last election shows an increased in the number of total votes. In the 2020 presidential election Biden obtained 81.283 million votes and Trump 74.224, a total of 155.507 million votes. In the 2024 election Trump obtained 76.429 million votes and Harry 73.737, a total of 150.166 votes. Total of votes decreased by 5.341 million. How come? Democrats votes decreased by 7.546 million. Why did it happen? Seems like a number of millions of votes Biden got in 2020 were fraudulent.

Seems like....

 

[cpwill]

What point?

By default COBOL would set dates that are not StrictDate() to 1900. One could write a custom function, but it would be odd to set the date back 25 years and make it a four digit date

Already cited for you, but you didn't want to read it because it wasn't a source that told you what you already wanted to believe.

Of course you're not, the party isn't going to share such things with you.

I have no idea what you think "the party" means, but I was a Republican until 2016, and have been Independent ever since.

How E-Voting Threatens Democracy

As the controversy around e-voting grew last year, parodies like this one began to emerge. This Hustler magazine spoof focuses on an election in Georgia that resulted in a major upset by winning Republican candidate Sonny Perdue over Democratic incumbent Roy Barnes. Perdue won with only 51...

www.wired.com

Election deniers aren’t waiting for November

They can't both be true - but hey - party matters.

.....did you... bother to read the articles you are citing?

Firstly, the articles are 16 years apart, and about different issues, which I would have thought you would have picked up on, and

Secondly (and this seems sort of important) the first link describes itself as a parody and a spoof sourced from Hustler Magazine.

.....You are literally falling for a self-described parody from Hustler Magazine.

Oh, awesome. So they didn't just change their name to Dominion?

You're not lying, are you? You know, for the party..

formerly Diebold Election Systems, Inc. (DESI)

Dominion Voting Systems - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No they did not, which you would have known had you (again) bothered to read your own link.

In May 2010, Dominion acquired Premier Election Solutions (formerly Diebold Election Systems, Inc.) from Election Systems & Software (ES&S). ES&S had just acquired Premier from Diebold and was required to sell off Premier by the United States Department of Justice over anti-trust concerns.​

Diebold sold off that subsidiary, and it was sold first to Premier, and then sold to Dominion, which was an entirely separate company that was founded (according to your source) eight years earlier in 2002. Diebold is still a separate, going company.

I provide you links

But apparently didn't read those any more than you read what was provided to you.

 

[cpwill]

Nope, Cobal set the date to 1900 - effectively century stripping. Most COBOL depends on frameworks. Those such as CICS didn't even handle 4 digit dates, the source of the Y2K conspiracy theories that were so popular.

Have you worked with COBOL, or any language?

Well, this sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole.

Anywho, Original Claim:

Because COBOL does not have a date type, some implementations rely instead on a system whereby all dates are coded to a reference point. The most commonly used is May 20, 1875, as this was the date of an international standards-setting conference held in Paris, known as the Convention du Mètre.​

So that would indeed make sense. So would the point that Social Security started payouts in 1940 for employees 65 or older - a date which would also register to 1875.

From the Social Security Administration:

The Social Security Administration’s acting commissioner clarified claims promoted by Elon Musk and President Trump about centenarians receiving monthly payouts. ​

​

“I also want to acknowledge recent reporting about the number of people older than age 100 who may be receiving benefits from Social Security,” Lee Dudek said in a statement Wednesday.​

​

“The reported data are people in our records with a Social Security number who do not have a date of death associated with their record. These individuals are not necessarily receiving benefits.”​

Indeed they are not, in fact:

The latest data shows about 90,000 beneficiaries aged 99 or older received a Social Security retirement check in December. That’s lower than the estimated 101,000 centenarians living in the U.S....​

...And nowhere close to the 24,788,534 beneficiaries over the age of 99 that Musk claimed were being sent benefits.

Not what was reported. They correctly identified THOUSANDS of eligible entries that had dates set prior to 1900. While you madly spin for your party - no one disputes this is fact.

Again. The Social Security Administration halts payments at 115 (you would have to appeal at 116, I suppose) and 98% of the people who are on SS records as being over the age of 100 are not receiving benefits.

Musk thought that if SSA was tracking you, it was because you were receiving benefits. He was wrong, which is not only why he miscounts the recipients (see above) so badly, but also why his totals add up to just under 395 million when there are only ~341,658,000 people living in the country as of this posting.




Look. It would be fantastic if we could cut off payments to millions of suddenly-discovered dead people from OASI. That would extend the life of the program and buy us some critical breathing room. It just doesn't happen to be true. :-/

 

[soap box]

Most of the time the last election shows an increased in the number of total votes. In the 2020 presidential election Biden obtained 81.283 million votes and Trump 74.224, a total of 155.507 million votes. In the 2024 election Trump obtained 76.429 million votes and Harry 73.737, a total of 150.166 votes. Total of votes decreased by 5.341 million. How come? Democrats votes decreased by 7.546 million. Why did it happen? Seems like a number of millions of votes Biden got in 2020 were fraudulent.

If your criteria is turnout, why aren't you claiming fraud in 2000 or 2012?

Why do you think all elections will have the same increase? Are you aware of how many variables are involved in turnout?

The turnout in 2000 was less than in 1996, and the turnout for the presidential election was less in 2012 than it was in 2008.

So look it up and verify my post so you can see how your faulty premise doesn't even qualify your "seems".

 

[Uncensored2008]

Already cited for you, but you didn't want to read it because it wasn't a source that told you what you already wanted to believe.

Paywalled - not cited.

I have no idea what you think "the party" means, but I was a Republican until 2016, and have been Independent ever since.

Sure you were. And Joe Biden was sharp as a tack.

.....did you... bother to read the articles you are citing?

Many times. Did you?

Wired basically claimed that blue hairs were tapping wires together to change binary code on voting machines to put Dubya in office.

Fast forward to your party winning, the very same wired speaking of the very same machines demands it is literally impossible to hack them.

Firstly, the articles are 16 years apart, and about different issues, which I would have thought you would have picked up on, and

Not really, both deal with the ability to hack Deibold machines. Democrat dogma is that these are as pure and perfect as possible, when Biden won. Of course when Bush won they were open corruption.

Secondly (and this seems sort of important) the first link describes itself as a parody and a spoof sourced from Hustler Magazine.

.....You are literally falling for a self-described parody from Hustler Magazine.




No they did not, which you would have known had you (again) bothered to read your own link.

In May 2010, Dominion acquired Premier Election Solutions (formerly Diebold Election Systems, Inc.) from Election Systems & Software (ES&S). ES&S had just acquired Premier from Diebold and was required to sell off Premier by the United States Department of Justice over anti-trust concerns.​

Diebold sold off that subsidiary, and it was sold first to Premier, and then sold to Dominion, which was an entirely separate company that was founded (according to your source) eight years earlier in 2002. Diebold is still a separate, going company.




But apparently didn't read those any more than you read what was provided to you.

You read very poorly, or are very dishonest.

Try again.

 

[Buster Keaton]

The real insurrectionists are the ones who attacked the capital on Jan 6th and those who incited them

who was charged with insurrection?

 

[Fledermaus]

who was charged with insurrection?

With insurrection?

None.

"Early on, the majority of charges filed against the rioters were for disorderly conduct and unlawful entry.[13] Ultimately, about one-third of the defendants were charged with assault on or interference with law enforcement officers.[14][15] Other charges included trespassing; disrupting Congress; theft or other property crimes; weapons offenses; making threats; and conspiracy, including seditious conspiracy."

in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/

https://www.google.com/search?clien...2ahUKEwjhseSDueqMAxWDKzQIHeBTCjMQ3eEDegQIPRAM
noun
noun: insurrection; plural noun: insurrections

1. a violent uprising against an authority or government.

 

[soap box]

who was charged with insurrection?

Did you know sedition has a harsher sentence than insurrection?

 

[Quag]

who was charged with insurrection?

If no one is charged with robbing a bank does that mean the bank was not robbed?

 

[Uncensored2008]

who was charged with insurrection?

Not this guy, despite taking over Seattle through force of arms.



No charges filed, even after 10 weeks of insurrection. Uber Alles democrat.

 

[Fledermaus]

Not this guy, despite taking over Seattle through force of arms.

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No charges filed, even after 10 weeks of insurrection. Uber Alles democrat.

He was at the 1/6 insurrection?

Do tell.

 

[rahl]

Most of the time the last election shows an increased in the number of total votes. In the 2020 presidential election Biden obtained 81.283 million votes and Trump 74.224, a total of 155.507 million votes. In the 2024 election Trump obtained 76.429 million votes and Harry 73.737, a total of 150.166 votes. Total of votes decreased by 5.341 million. How come? Democrats votes decreased by 7.546 million. Why did it happen? Seems like a number of millions of votes Biden got in 2020 were fraudulent.

You cannot support this claim.

 

[Rich2018]

Did you know sedition has a harsher sentence than insurrection?

And those insurrectionist rioters got a comparative "slap on the wrist".

 

[Uncensored2008]

Did you know sedition has a harsher sentence than insurrection?

Then here is to hoping Boasberg and Reyes are both convicted for their sedition.

 

[Fledermaus]

Then here is to hoping Boasberg and Reyes are both convicted for their sedition.

On what basis?

More TSATW* nonsense by you?



*Throw Shit At The Wall

 

[Deuce]

Sorry, there were checks being cut for people born before 1800 ?

No, there were not.