White privilege

[ReverendHellh0und]

ANd, you are indeed showing the white privilege attitude there. How expected but disappointing.

There it is again, "yeah you who disagree with me, shame for what you people have done, even though you were not part of it and partook in it in no way!!!!"


It's the concept of "original sin", with no chance of absolution. it is the stain upon all white people who, by virtue of existing, falls short of moral perfection. a kind of disease that threatens society. it cannot be escaped and must be abhorred and and there is now redemption for the guilty.


I don't subscribe to such stupid ****.

 

[Partsguy57]

I know.. because of course it is the black persons choice to be statistically less likely to get a callback if they have a black sounding name.
Of course its a black person's choice to be statistically more likely to be convicted than a white person with the same poverty level, and the same evidence.
Of course, slavery was a black persons choice
as was decades of segregation

Didn't those black folks know that they could choose not to get hung for looking at a white girl... ? Dumb guys for choosing to get killed.

do you think this world is fair? Everybody has their own hill to climb, but the black community thinks they have the only hill. News flash, false!! The world is not fair, never had been never will. Do you think it's fair a black person gets a job only because of skin color?? Happens all the time. Go look at bidding on government contracts. There is all sorts of clauses put in to bid based on ,color,sex, etc etc. If you are a single white guy no special status for you... this is something I am very well versed in as I contract for wildfire suppression here in the west with the feds. What does sex,color, etc have anything to do with supply crews,engines, equipment for fire suppression????? Nothing!!! Instead of free markets in play the government messes with the free market and increases the cost to the taxpayer in the name of fairness....



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[faithful_servant]

Amen to that...
I have worked with engineers of all minorities common to the USA, and most of them had to struggle within the system or culture at the time. The word privileged applies to only a small percentage of us. Being wronged in some way will apply to nearly all of us at some time in our lives. The best revenge is to live well, so they say. I certainly do.
And to help others, I donate to a "Perpetual Education Fund" that helps people all over the world attend college in their own countries. Education is the most likely way to succeed, those who refuse their opportunities now will regret it later.

You would probably like Bob Ricci. He's a missionary (and a self-made multi-millionaire) in Nicaragua. He funds a program that takes kids living in the Managua city dump and takes them to a good private school every day (along with providing them the necessary clothes and food they need). His idea is that the best way out of that lifestyle is an education that can open doors that would otherwise never be opened.

 

[faithful_servant]

Yeah.. that's most likely completely BS unless you were some star athlete. And even then...

did you have public education ? If you were born poor.. that means your parents didn;t pay your way.. some wealthier family paid the taxes that supported some of your education...

and then someone gave you a job. Took a chance on you. No experience etc... because if you were poor.. you likely didn;t start off self employed.

Right there are two large opportunities for someone to stop your success..regardless of how good your choices or how hard you worked.

So what's the difference between me and the guy who lives on the sreet who graduated with me?? We both had the chances, the difference was ME. I chose to make my life better. We both had the same road before, he ended up in the ditch, I ended up in a nice car. Same opportunities, different outcome. You can "You didn't build that." all you want, but the determining factor in my success was ME.

 

[Partsguy57]

I know.. because of course it is the black persons choice to be statistically less likely to get a callback if they have a black sounding name.
Of course its a black person's choice to be statistically more likely to be convicted than a white person with the same poverty level, and the same evidence.
Of course, slavery was a black persons choice
as was decades of segregation

Didn't those black folks know that they could choose not to get hung for looking at a white girl... ? Dumb guys for choosing to get killed.

Good grief, you act like only the black has had to endure slavery, etc. History is filled with one group oppressing another. This country was founded on others fleeing oppression and turned it into the freest country in the world (perfect no) there is more options here then anywhere else in the world. I don't see people fleeing this country do you???

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[RAMOSS]

Link to this claim?

https://www.bostonfed.org/inequality2014/papers/reeves-sawhill.pdf

 

[Cable]

 

[Partsguy57]

I know.. because of course it is the black persons choice to be statistically less likely to get a callback if they have a black sounding name.
Of course its a black person's choice to be statistically more likely to be convicted than a white person with the same poverty level, and the same evidence.
Of course, slavery was a black persons choice
as was decades of segregation

Didn't those black folks know that they could choose not to get hung for looking at a white girl... ? Dumb guys for choosing to get killed.

On the name crap thing, you think only the black has had issues with the name thing??? Take a look at history please, Irish, jew, Polish, German, Japanese, Italian, Russian, etc etc etc all in this country! Difference? The only crowd screaming about this is the black crowd along with all the rest of the excuses they or others make up for them. The problem is themselves and lack of personal responsibility. Some issues that attest to that in all groups but prevalent in the black community. Drug use, gangs, welfare abuse, out of birth wedlock, mom with 6 kids by 5 dad's, no father figure, lazy, poor role models, "talking getto or black" dressing or looking/ acting like a gangbanger, rioting over a pair of basketball shoes, lack of respect for authority, buying into the lie that the Democratic party is there to " help" them. ( look at the stats since the war on poverty started in the sixties failure)Buying into America is a racist country. ( black president elected twice) screaming that a conservative successful black is no longer " black" I could go on with a whole lot more.

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[ashurbanipal]

Way to complicate a simple issue. Both a and b have the same physical and mental attributes, more or less. They can both study. They can both learn. They can both better themselves.

Actually, they need not have the same mental and physical attributes, and more importantly, they almost certainly do not have the same relational properties. One may get lucky at finding a job, while another might be unlucky--perhaps the interviewer was suffering indigestion during the interview. The first may have extra money to spend, while the second may have to turn to some illegal means of making a little money on the side. And so on.

 

[Cable]

I've got it! WP is Caucasophobia. I can rest now.

 

[ashurbanipal]

You seem to be missing the forest for the trees. If poverty is the reason for continued poverty, then how does that strike individual black people differently than individual white people?

It doesnt.

Your conclusion only follows if poverty is the only reason for continued poverty. But that kind of reasoning begs the question--one way to understand the point under discussion is whether or not that claim is true. As such, you cannot just help yourself to it.

Now, statistically speaking, there are more poor black people as a percentage of the black population. But there is nothing in those statistics that says it is harder to escape poverty if your skin is black.

Well, would there be any such thing in that statistic? That's like saying that there's a statistic that about as many people have colds at any one time as have cancer, but nothing in that statistic shows that getting rid of a cold is any more difficult than getting rid of cancer. Clearly, other information is needed to determine whether it is more difficult to get out of poverty as a black person than as a white person.

That is where the knapsack comes in, and it is full of excuses pointing to psychological factors that encourage people to make further bad choices in addition to the bad choices already available and encouraged to those in poverty.

I bet you would have a different view if you actually had to live those circumstances, and especially if you could live them in the shoes of multiple people. You're basically dismissing reasoning with a bunch of handwaving. It's harder for a black person to get a job than a white person--half again as hard, it appears. It's harder for a black person to elicit kindness from a stranger. It's harder for a black person to make it into elite graduate programs. And so on.

 

[Bodi]

Actually, they need not have the same mental and physical attributes, and more importantly, they almost certainly do not have the same relational properties. One may get lucky at finding a job, while another might be unlucky--perhaps the interviewer was suffering indigestion during the interview. The first may have extra money to spend, while the second may have to turn to some illegal means of making a little money on the side. And so on.

Right and since nothing is ever equal all discussion of white privilege is meaningless racism.

 

[jaeger19]

Private education, father put all six kids through as a mechanic and great sacrifice with his time. No government loan ever or backing just a local banker than watched me grow up and knew the families work ethic. ( my dad didn't stay poor as he worked huge hours to better himself) very little risk to the bank as they owned the inventory and my loan was exactly for the inventory amount. I could go on and on but the simple fact is its the person period. Go look at nearly any person in history and their life story has a common thread with all success. Based on wise choices ,talent, drive etc. That has never changed and never will. Go talk to nearly any other successful person and they will tell you the same.

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So you had private education. What if you didn;t have the opportunity to have a private education? What if instead the only opportunity was to go to a cruddy public school? Would that have been YOUR choice?

And you had help from a local banker.. who knew your family and liked you. What if that local banker didn't like uppity folks like yourself and instead of helping.. denied you a loan.

you really can't go on.. you just admitted that you had help.. that it wasn;t just your good choices. And yes.. go look at nearly any person in history.. the thread is the same.. they had opportunities afforded them by people in position to do so.. whether family or friendly bankers, or government and they took advantage of that opportunity they were given. Very very.. dang few people are actually truly "self made".

dude.. you went to private education.. and you were in a family that could afford such... and you don't think that translates to an advantage????. Come on.

 

[ajn678]

White privilege has been proved a number of times. I'm not sure why you think otherwise. See, e.g.:

Employers' Replies to Racial Names

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/opinion/research-shows-white-privilege-is-real.html?_r=0

Do you know what the word "proved" means?

 

[ajn678]

Funny thing is, 90% of the high school white boys don't know the def of liberal, from liber = free. For the individual and small gov. The ignorance is astounding

Funny thing is 90% of Liberals don't believe in freedom for the individual, nor small government.

 

[Partsguy57]

So you had private education. What if you didn;t have the opportunity to have a private education? What if instead the only opportunity was to go to a cruddy public school? Would that have been YOUR choice?

And you had help from a local banker.. who knew your family and liked you. What if that local banker didn't like uppity folks like yourself and instead of helping.. denied you a loan.

you really can't go on.. you just admitted that you had help.. that it wasn;t just your good choices. And yes.. go look at nearly any person in history.. the thread is the same.. they had opportunities afforded them by people in position to do so.. whether family or friendly bankers, or government and they took advantage of that opportunity they were given. Very very.. dang few people are actually truly "self made".

dude.. you went to private education.. and you were in a family that could afford such... and you don't think that translates to an advantage????. Come on.

Choices dude, all about choices. Our family did without a lot of things as do many that put their kids through private school.. I didn't get help, the banker saw potential and a profit for the bank. Again choices by him. At this point I have borrowed, millions, ran through the bank millions etc. Paid back millions. ( price out the cost of a mini storage complex as I'm building another right now) wise choice by the banker? Lol you are a very confused self loathing white guy. Do you think the bank would have " helped" me if I could not pay them back?? You just keep up the self loathing excuse crap and you help no one. Second thought keep it up as there will be more for me as there is only so many slices in the " wealth " pie. ( another lie pushed by the left) just think all the wealth us privileged white guys can take by keeping the poor always poor.... your right, very few successful people are self made?? Lol keep buying into that lie and you will continue to see who is "self made" . The race industry, the Democrats party relying on the " poor" buying Their votes with promises of help. Lol

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[jaeger19]

So what's the difference between me and the guy who lives on the sreet who graduated with me?? We both had the chances, the difference was ME. I chose to make my life better. We both had the same road before, he ended up in the ditch, I ended up in a nice car. Same opportunities, different outcome. You can "You didn't build that." all you want, but the determining factor in my success was ME.

If the guy who lives on the street had equal opportunity as you.. then absolutely.

BUT statistically as research shows ( and some of that plethora of research) is linked in this thread.. minorities don't have the same opportunity. There is bias that affects their opportunity. That's the white privilege.

The determiner of your success COMPARED to the other guys.. was you.. because in your example.. you KEPT ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL... "same opportunities".

Now.. do you know anyone that has done better than you.. that worked less hard.. but had more opportunities than you? I know I sure do..

was their determiner of their success.. THEM.. or the better opportunities that you were not afforded.?

 

[jaeger19]

Good grief, you act like only the black has had to endure slavery, etc. History is filled with one group oppressing another. This country was founded on others fleeing oppression and turned it into the freest country in the world (perfect no) there is more options here then anywhere else in the world. I don't see people fleeing this country do you???

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Good grief man.. you act like white people had to endure slavery in this country. The founders of this country were by and large RICH white guys who OWNED slaves.. they weren;t fleeing SLAVERY of any kind.

And the irony of your post. One of the reasons we have the most options in the world is because of people like me, and my family that have fought AGAINST THE ATTITUDES THAT YOU HOLD.

 

[Partsguy57]

If the guy who lives on the street had equal opportunity as you.. then absolutely.

BUT statistically as research shows ( and some of that plethora of research) is linked in this thread.. minorities don't have the same opportunity. There is bias that affects their opportunity. That's the white privilege.

The determiner of your success COMPARED to the other guys.. was you.. because in your example.. you KEPT ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL... "same opportunities".

Now.. do you know anyone that has done better than you.. that worked less hard.. but had more opportunities than you? I know I sure do..

was their determiner of their success.. THEM.. or the better opportunities that you were not afforded.?

I know lots that have worked less hard and have more then me. So? Shrug..... do you have a issue with that?

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[jaeger19]

Choices dude, all about choices. Our family did without a lot of things as do many that put their kids through private school.. I didn't get help, the banker saw potential and a profit for the bank. Again choices by him. At this point I have borrowed, millions, ran through the bank millions etc. Paid back millions. ( price out the cost of a mini storage complex as I'm building another right now) wise choice by the banker? Lol you are a very confused self loathing white guy. Do you think the bank would have " helped" me if I could not pay them back?? You just keep up the self loathing excuse crap and you help no one. Second thought keep it up as there will be more for me as there is only so many slices in the " wealth " pie. ( another lie pushed by the left) just think all the wealth us privileged white guys can take by keeping the poor always poor.... your right, very few successful people are self made?? Lol keep buying into that lie and you will continue to see who is "self made" . The race industry, the Democrats party relying on the " poor" buying Their votes with promises of help. Lol

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Dude.. they could afford private school.

You said it.. the banker was friendly.. he KNEW YOUR FATHER.. and because of that.. he gave YOU a lone based on what he thought would happen.

If his impression was not so good, or biased against you.. like for the color of your skin... you would not be were you are. Despite your ability or "choices"..

wait:

Again choices by him

That's your argument:? Is that it comes down to choices because some banker CHOSE to help you? Do you even realize what you just admitted?

You seriously cannot be so obtuse as to not understand that you just admitted that your success boiled down to the choices the BANKER made.. and not your own....:shock:

 

[jaeger19]

I know lots that have worked less hard and have more then me. So? Shrug..... do you have a issue with that?

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You should.. according to your premise.. logically the only way they can have more than you is because your choices were much worse than theirs.

 

[jaeger19]

On the name crap thing, you think only the black has had issues with the name thing??? Take a look at history please, Irish, jew, Polish, German, Japanese, Italian, Russian, etc etc etc all in this country! Difference? The only crowd screaming about this is the black crowd along with all the rest of the excuses they or others make up for them. The problem is themselves and lack of personal responsibility. Some issues that attest to that in all groups but prevalent in the black community. Drug use, gangs, welfare abuse, out of birth wedlock, mom with 6 kids by 5 dad's, no father figure, lazy, poor role models, "talking getto or black" dressing or looking/ acting like a gangbanger, rioting over a pair of basketball shoes, lack of respect for authority, buying into the lie that the Democratic party is there to " help" them. ( look at the stats since the war on poverty started in the sixties failure)Buying into America is a racist country. ( black president elected twice) screaming that a conservative successful black is no longer " black" I could go on with a whole lot more.

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That's because my friend.. none of those folks were enslaved. none of them had to endure the level of racism to any degree as much as the African americans.

AND those that look different.. like Japanese actually faced more discrimination.. and got REPARATIONS from the government for what was done to them. So you don't know your history.

You sir simply are being obtuse. The only one that seems to be screaming here is you. Grouping black folks into "the problem is themselves"..

Study after study shows that simply having a black sounding name makes it harder to get a job. that's not a problem caused by themselves.

 

[Partsguy57]

If the guy who lives on the street had equal opportunity as you.. then absolutely.

BUT statistically as research shows ( and some of that plethora of research) is linked in this thread.. minorities don't have the same opportunity. There is bias that affects their opportunity. That's the white privilege.

The determiner of your success COMPARED to the other guys.. was you.. because in your example.. you KEPT ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL... "same opportunities".

Now.. do you know anyone that has done better than you.. that worked less hard.. but had more opportunities than you? I know I sure do..

was their determiner of their success.. THEM.. or the better opportunities that you were not afforded.?

Lol stupid story, no such thing. There is never equal!! Never!!!!!! No one is the same!!! Ever!!! Everyone brings different skills and talents the the table!!! Never is there exception to this!! Never!! You make the point, all things being equal ( of which there is no such thing) some will excel over others. Same thing always applies in life as no things are ever equal!! How successful you are always ultimately depends on you no matter what advantages or disadvantages you may have. Drive down a inner city neighborhood trailer trash park etc etc. and most look, live like pigs. Why lazy!! No excuse to be poor and live like a pig. Nearly anyone can be poor and still better their lives just by simply picking up around themselves....

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[ajn678]

When discussing the narrative of "white privilege" how does one explain Asians or even how black immigrants tend to preform better than native blacks (at least in the way of collecting less government aid)

Honest question I've never got an actual response or argument to.

Good luck getting an actual response for this lol.

 

[ashurbanipal]

Right and since nothing is ever equal all discussion of white privilege is meaningless racism.

How exactly does the conclusion follow from the premise? Doesn't seem to as far as I can see, but feel free to try to actually argue your case.