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White nationalists go wild for Tucker Carlson's "great replacement" theory

ADL quote from your article:

"The slogan is a reference to the popular white supremacist belief that the white race is in danger of extinction by a rising tide of non-whites who are controlled and manipulated by Jews (in fact, one variant of “You Will Not Replace Us” is “Jews Will Not Replace Us”).

Do you agree with the white replacement theory?
The actual question is not if he or she believes it, but whether those who advocate for it 'believe' it. You kind of have to ask yourself: Where did they get this odd idea that someone is machinating to replace them or alter the structures of their countries?

Lisa, do you have eyes in your head?



The most amazing thing for me is that you people have difficulty in seeing correctly! You see through the structures of your false-impositions on reality. You see what you want to see, and don't see what you don't want to see. Amazing!

All I ask is that you begin to see clearly and honestly, and that you become honest.
 
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The real question what will be the result, because this process is going to play out whether we like it or not.
Some, apparently, do not like *it* and also apparently are willing to act politically to advocate for what they believe. However, they are vilified and shunned for doing that, and they have been for many decades now.
 
Some, apparently, do not like *it* and also apparently are willing to act politically to advocate for what they believe. However, they are vilified and shunned for doing that, and they have been for many decades now.
The two things are not mutually exclusive. I realize its going to play out but I will also vote and do other political activities in the hopes of helping to steer it in a way that I would like best and towards what I believe would do the most good for the most people. I suspect most people on this forum tries to participate in political concerns as well. But we also live in the real world where things may or may not go our way no matter what we do. But this is just one frame of reference.

Stepping into the next frame of reference ... In terms of "some" people being shunned and vilified, can you honestly sit there with a straight face and type "oh but these people" without accounting for the huge number of groups of people who have had the same exact experience and have even at times paid for that vilification with their life? If you are not neutral in the matter, then you aren't, but if you are, then be neutral and be concerned for everyone. However, if you are not neutral, then I will judge you based on my perspective and you will judge me as well and that is the way it is and it is neither right nor wrong that we do that either. So, because of that, I do not share your outrage for those you wish to protect or promote and I don't expect that courtesy either. This is not because I consider myself at war (even if some consider themselves at war with me or against ideas I might value), its because I simply understand the limits of human perspective and that we are inherently subjective creatures, each being our own little universe where we tend to think that our ideas are pure and good and other ideas are often not.

Stepping into a third frame of reference ... In understanding the inherent subjectivity and (frankly) just how limited people are (and this means me too). On top of that, understanding that this particular cultural shift and the fight over the cultural shift only matters to these people at this time (meaning that none of this will matter 1000 years from now, except to academics), I choose to look at the deeper things and the things that matter in life. Now I granted that I am a liberal so the harm/care moral pillar is especially important to me (again, recognizing my own inherent human limitations in that and knowing I am going to be especially interested in this particular emotional drive) I choose to try and focus my energies, not on this or that peoples (never cared much about groups) but on what is good for everyone and for me that means looking for things people can agree on. Barring that, I just make fun of people because it amuses me.

I have to admit though, your argumentation style, even though the concepts are nothing new, is interesting.
 
The two things are not mutually exclusive.
Wonderful post. A full and complete series of ideas. You seem to have fetishized the taco however. I’ll get back to you.
 
Some, apparently, do not like *it* and also apparently are willing to act politically to advocate for what they believe. However, they are vilified and shunned for doing that, and they have been for many decades now.

Others, apparently, do like *it* and also apparently are willing to act politically to advocate for what they believe. However, they are vilified and shunned for doing that, and they have been for many centuries now.

Oh, also, their ancestors were victims of outright genocide because foreigners decided to take their land and weren't interested in their opinion about it.
 
Tucker Carlson does not know his ass from a 2x4. But oh how the Right sucks his drivel up.

One point Tucker misses and simply glosses over is that Immigrants do not arrive here as Citizens. They HAVE no voting rights when they land on our shores. So this whole notion of "importing voters" is painfully naive and painfully flawed and therefore perfectly digestible for your average Trumper.

That viewpoint on voters is so head up yr butt or buried in the sand laughable. The leftist, socialist mob is looking long term and yes almost everyone of the current illegals will someday be voting Democrat. That is exactly why the DEMONRATS are importing future lockstep voter candidates.
 




FOX didn't distance itself from Carlson's tinfoil racist beliefs. Oftentimes silence tells you all you need to know.




It's just another example of bigoted and racist self delusional right wing savagery embraced by right wing white people who think they are superior, confirming their vile motivation, evil intentions and overt demonstrations of why they have ****ed up America for so long.
They are so full of shit!!! These Types are just as likely to shoot their neighbor, or mass shoot up innocent people at a public gathering, or blow the whole family away the minute they run out of money, or they can't control the women as a possession, or they can't get white privilege's to give them something simply for having white skin.
These Types have screwed up everything they have even come in contact with, all in the aim and effort to try and deny something to women, minorities and other poor white people. They look for anything to promote divisiveness, these types from one region of the country can't stand the same type of white people from other regions of the country. They lust for the "Attack Something Urges" to drive them like raving lunatics. There is not a day gone by they have not engaged in trying to attack and defeat something. When Nixon promoted Right Wing Media, he know what kind of racist and bigots nuts it would feed, and Republicanism has been feeding them the "hate and attack spin diet" on a daily basis. Doing so is profitable for those who run those networks and sit before a camera and/or microphone. They make $Billions off these types, and the mouthpieces who promote this crap make $10-20-30 Million a Year, to keep them riled up like a "savage mob".

Evil Profits for the Evil Promoters and they have many cult followers who embrace the evilness as their life agenda. They can't even make their own lives function or that of their family, because they are wrapped up and obsessed with "Attacking Something", until they engage self defeatist Attack Agenda, from the time they wake up till their pass out at night.

This is the result of the Savagery that came to this country from European Localities Centuries Ago, chasing greed by any means. Many came with absolutely no concept of what American Democracy is, and they passed that ignorance on from one generation to the next, looking for any reason to promote dissension, divisiveness and expecting to hoard something, rape something, loot and steal something and covet anything they think they can.
 
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Why America is the World’s Most Uniquely Cruel Society

These emigrants all tended to share a common trait. They were at the very bottom, the lowest rung, of social and economic heirarchies in their own countries. All of them. That has changed a little recently — but America was founded by and for the despised, loathed, hated. People referred to as trash, nobodies, serfs, exiles, outcasts — who were never given an ounce of respect, dignity, or even belonging, in their societies of origin.


So first the English and French settlers supposed that this New World was theirs (and began a kind of genocide against its natives, of course). But it wasn’t just the natives that they came to hate, for threatening their natural right to this Promised Land. It was the next waves of settlers, too. The English settlers hated the French. The French hated the Germans. They all hated the Irish. The Irish hated the Italians. And so on. That much is historical fact. Do you see the pattern forming yet?

This is very abstract, so let me make it concrete. Here came one wave of settlers — English. They dominated their way to the top of a hierarchy, above natives and blacks. Then came a new wave — German. They were punched down too — and began punching down — to bitterly establish themselves in this hierarchy, as high up as they could. Then another wave — Irish. Punched, punching down. All desperately vying for relative dominance among the rest.

You see, the crucial fact is that this didn’t happen elsewhere in the world — waves of settlers, all desperately trying to establish themselves above the next, last, most recent, in a hierarchy, all the more so, because they were despised, at the bottom, to begin with. In Europe, Asia, South America, heirarchies were long established — and broken only by revolution. America was the only nation where this constant reconstruction of hierarchy happened to such a degree, over and over again. Hence, the establishment of cruelty as a way of life — how else but to establish one’s self above the next wave of migrants?

Each new tribe that came to this Promised Land brought the burden of being despised, subjugated, oppressed, with them. They were finally above someone else in a social hierarchy. They were not at the bottom anymore. But to be above requires somone else to be below. And so there was a constant battle for relative position within a growing hierarchy — hence, dominance, competition, conquest soon became the prized cultural values, norms, and institutional goals. Cruelty as a way of life was born.

When we noted that the despised of England hated the newly arrived despised of France hated the newly arrived despised of Germany and so on, not to mentions natives, blacks, and Asians, in an endless vicious circle, we are also saying: America was learning to be cruel, by forever constructing greater heirachies to seize the fruits of a Promised Land. But greater hierarchies require greater cruelty to climb up, too. And the irony is that all this is what the despised came to America to escape.
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Those who came to this land with respect of and respect for American Democracy and chose to educate themselves on the Civic and Civility of American Democracy are the people who are true to respecting American Democracy and the principles of Diversity and the Equality of Person as Individual. Those are the people who don't buy into and don't support racism and do not pander to nor accept racial and ethnicity prejudices. These are the people who detest white nationalism, fictions of white supremacy and stand against the ignorance of race and ethnicity bigots who promote such bias and vile.

Trumpism brought out and exposed for the world to see the grouping of those who embrace racist savagery, ethnicity savagery and anti-democracy. These types do not deserve to be in America, because they have no respect for American Democracy. They have not advanced over centuries, due to their historical pass down of savagery mentality by any means into their offspring's over many many many decades.

We saw the savages charge and attack the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6th, 2021 !!!! Demonstrating their Ignorance of what is American Democracy. They showed their worship to a belligerent self consumed glutton, driven by meglomania as the head of savagery, leading a cult by feeding their savage instincts, trying to install himself and authoritarian dictator.
 
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What exactly is that supposed to mean?

It means you’re still looking at white supremacy as a bad thing. Stop looking at it as a bad thing.
 
It's like Fox News talking heads huddle up every morning and say, "How can we appeal to white supremacists and our garden-variety older conservative white voters, too?"

A nudge and a wink later, "You will not replace us" becomes Tucker Carlson talking about "dilution."

Fox got called out on their coded use of "thugs" a few years ago. They're smart enough to evolve the code when they need to do so.
 
Others, apparently, do like *it* and also apparently are willing to act politically to advocate for what they believe. However, they are vilified and shunned for doing that, and they have been for many centuries now.

Oh, also, their ancestors were victims of outright genocide because foreigners decided to take their land and weren't interested in their opinion about it.
All I can say is "Wow'. You quoted what I had written and subtly and ingeniously changed just a could of words and -- boom! -- you thrust it back at me with such extraordinary moral power that I am unsure if I should strike myself or simply burst into tears!
 
If you mean that they are both fond of playing footsies with white supremacists, then you would be correct.

It's more like a playful pillow fight right now, but they're beginning to tickle each other.
 
All I can say is "Wow'. You quoted what I had written and subtly and ingeniously changed just a could of words and -- boom! -- you thrust it back at me with such extraordinary moral power that I am unsure if I should strike myself or simply burst into tears!

You could and in fact did neither. In fact you glossed over the fact that the transposition of words generated a statement every bit as factual as your own, calling into question what your original point was other than “I am no more or less aggrieved than everyone else!” I imagine that you then felt better about yourself, having deftly dodged such a blow.
 
A great deal of what is now coming to the fore, was explained clearly a long time ago. Here is Peter Brimelow (mentioned in the excerpt from the OP) discussing his book Alien Nation. Now 25 years later it is all taking far more manifest shape.
First sentences all one needs to listen to. He trashes the 1965 Immigration Act, which removed geographical biases in existing immigration law. Allowed people like my Sicilian relatives to come here. As a boy, I remember Jack Kennedy speaking in my Italian neighborhood about those biases in 1960. No wonder he's upset. All these darker types were allowed into the country.

And I saw a "right on" quote from Michele Malkin. Huh? Doesn't she know that folks like her parents are not part of Brimoelow's chosen people?
 
First sentences all one needs to listen to. He trashes the 1965 Immigration Act, which removed geographical biases in existing immigration law. Allowed people like my Sicilian relatives to come here. As a boy, I remember Jack Kennedy speaking in my Italian neighborhood about those biases in 1960. No wonder he's upset. All these darker types were allowed into the country.

Same. It allowed my parents to come here from Asia, one a doctor, the other an engineer and build a good life that they’re still fortunately enjoying. We now have a large extended and successful family here and each of the adults pay more in taxes than Donald Trump, to help fund the good works our nation does for Alizia Tyler. We also figured out how to have mixed race, mixed religion marriages where love predominates and keeps us together.

I personally love 21st century America.
 
Same. It allowed my parents to come here from Asia, one a doctor, the other an engineer and build a good life that they’re still fortunately enjoying. We now have a large extended and successful family here and each of the adults pay more in taxes than Donald Trump, to help fund the good works our nation does for Alizia Tyler. We also figured out how to have mixed race, mixed religion marriages where love predominates and keeps us together.
Your statement, your explanation, your justification, does not address or deal with, or acknowledge, the sense of dispossession on the part of those you and your family are displacing.

You could of course have a very different attitude -- one of respect and consideration for the people who allowed you and your family to come to America. If that were so you would not, in my opinion, demonstrate this -- what is it? -- entitlement. That you have a right to judge people who have a different view of these issues, which are certainly very difficult because they have to do with our very bodies and our physical location and existence.

We share something in common -- I am a naturalized American citizen. And we both share something in common too with Michele Malkin (referenced by Nickyjo) whose parents are from the Philippines. And yet Michelle Malkin has a very different attitude and perspective. What is this difference, and why?
 
Your statement, your explanation, your justification, does not address or deal with, or acknowledge, the sense of dispossession on the part of those you and your family are displacing.

You could of course have a very different attitude -- one of respect and consideration for the people who allowed you and your family to come to America. If that were so you would not, in my opinion, demonstrate this -- what is it? -- entitlement. That you have a right to judge people who have a different view of these issues, which are certainly very difficult because they have to do with our very bodies and our physical location and existence.

We share something in common -- I am a naturalized American citizen. And we both share something in common too with Michele Malkin (referenced by Nickyjo) whose parents are from the Philippines. And yet Michelle Malkin has a very different attitude and perspective. What is this difference, and why?

I have a huge respect for the people who allowed us to come here—those who enacted and enabled increased immigration. And since we have generated more than our fair share of societal and economic activity I am also accepting of reciprocal gratitude. As to those whose my existence might have “displaced” who are salty about it now after their ancestors contributed to the genocide of those here before them and on whose land they now live after taking without paying a penny, I say this: I paid fair market value for your land, a privilege your ancestors did not offer to the native inhabitants, so consider yourselves fortunate that you are permitted to take your money and resettle elsewhere in the world if America’s values of inclusiveness and opportunity for all are not to your liking. Your ancestors didn’t offer native Americans that grace so be very glad that I am being far more magnanimous.

See? Even if I act like an ass, I’m still giving up nothing to early colonists in the Americas as far as my moral compass is concerned. Frustrated about America not being white enough? Fine, go someplace sufficiently white to your liking. This is my country too and your wish that I weren’t here is no more compelling than my desire to be here.
 
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The thing to keep in mind is an historical perspective. None of the emotions and politics now expressed about immigration are new to the US. Resentment of immigrants, a sense/fear of a lost national identity, have happened repeatedly in our history, even as many of us have welcomed newcomers. Nor was Trump new. Demagogues have exploited fears of immigrants in generations past, and will no doubt do so in the future. Trump brilliantly seized on an issue and ran with it, to his disgrace and our national embarrassment. No different than fascist-like figures from the past.
 
The thing to keep in mind is an historical perspective. None of the emotions and politics now expressed about immigration are new to the US. Resentment of immigrants, a sense/fear of a lost national identity, have happened repeatedly in our history, even as many of us have welcomed newcomers. Nor was Trump new. Demagogues have exploited fears of immigrants in generations past, and will no doubt do so in the future. Trump brilliantly seized on an issue and ran with it, to his disgrace and our national embarrassment. No different than fascist-like figures from the past.

Sometimes when I game this out in my mind, I wish we had instant low cost travel to anywhere. There would be much less hesitancy on these issues, I think, if everyone spent their first 20 years of life in different places, cultures, and with people every few years. Most would eventually come to recognize that most people are basically the same and that our genomes are mostly identical. I do think it’s getting better, slowly over time, but we are not yet close to that tipping threshold where enough people have seen enough of the world that we stop seeing the balance of the planet’s population as a competitive threat to our local group.

we need Star Trek transporters ASAP!
 
I have a huge respect for the people who allowed us to come here—those who enacted and enabled increased immigration. And since we have generated more than our fair share of societal and economic activity I am also accepting of reciprocal gratitude. As to those whose my existence might have “displaced” who are salty about it now after their ancestors contributed to the genocide of those here before them and on whose land they now live after taking without paying a penny, I say this: I paid fair market value for your land, a privilege your ancestors did not offer to the native inhabitants, so consider yourselves fortunate that you are permitted to take your money and resettle elsewhere in the world if America’s values of inclusiveness and opportunity for all are not to your liking. Your ancestors didn’t offer native Americans that grace so be very glad that I am being far more magnanimous.
That is a very very strange postcolonial analysis you have offered there. (It really is influenced by postcolonial ideas). So, those that you are now 'displacing' (I am referring only to the general facts and I make no 'personal' statements against you or anyone) deserve their displacement because their ancestors displaced the American Indians? They did not pay a penny (and who could they have paid?) yet you paid 'fair market value'. It is an odd line of argument.

But none of this is quite to the point. What is happening is that people within the country, the 'natives' I guess you might say, the 'original demographic' of the nation (and obviously those who took over the land of the American Indian) are demonstrating that they have some issues with unrestricted immigration. A very reasonable concern. And one that is taking place within a political environment of people, like you, who state their purposes openly, as you have.

It does not -- and it isn't -- in any sense 'respectful'. But you see this is one of my main points: I am also an immigrant (arranged by my parents) and yet I seek to serve those people, and the 'original demographic', not those who hold and carry the attitude that you have, which I do not like or appreciate at all. And nor do *they*.

You might think that I hae a specific dog (so to speak) in this fight, but that is not accurate. My interest in all of this is mostly, not completely but mostly, philosophical (I only mean sort of abstract). I would like to thing this is one reason why I can approach all of this with at least some dispassion. (My husband, a Finn, has far more personal feelings about the affairs in his country).

This might interest you:

 
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Would you agree that I am no worse to the present natives than they were to the previous and now largely extinct natives? I think so, and sleep well at night as a result. Conversely, if present natives think their generation and racial identity alone merit squatting rights, well, they’re welcome to feel that way and I’m welcome to ignore their feelings. I’ll sleep well at night about that as well.
 
Would you agree that I am no worse to the present natives than they were to the previous and now largely extinct natives? I think so, and sleep well at night as a result. Conversely, if present natives think their generation and racial identity alone merit squatting rights, well, they’re welcome to feel that way and I’m welcome to ignore their feelings. I’ll sleep well at night about that as well.
This is not a line of argument that makes any sense to me at all. The Americans replaced a dis-unified, stone-age people.

There is no connection of any sort -- except in your mind I guess -- between the colonial days and what is happening now in the nation, and the concerns about immigration, composition of the country, national destiny, etc.
 
This is not a line of argument that makes any sense to me at all. The Americans replaced a dis-unified, stone-age people.

There is no connection of any sort -- except in your mind I guess -- between the colonial days and what is happening now in the nation, and the concerns about immigration, composition of the country, national destiny, etc.

I see.

Well, I suppose I can work with that. I see a lot of dis-unified industrial-age people here. By your logic I suppose I needn’t trouble myself too much over their travails since my generation is in such a different place and really has no connection to those oldsters with their petrol and cardigans. Might as well do what I want. Thanks!
 
Would you agree that I am no worse to the present natives than they were to the previous and now largely extinct natives? I think so, and sleep well at night as a result. Conversely, if present natives think their generation and racial identity alone merit squatting rights, well, they’re welcome to feel that way and I’m welcome to ignore their feelings. I’ll sleep well at night about that as well.

Exactly. The squatter-mindset types are free to believe whatever they like. Regular folks are free to ignore them, and vice versa.

As wealth increases, information about other countries increases, and the costs of international travel become cheaper and more widespread, we can expect more forum-shopping by people looking for the best places to live, regardless of border, with less allegiance to the country of one's birth.

I don't think it will be too many generations before nationalism is viewed as a cultural relic.
 
Most would eventually come to recognize that most people are basically the same and that our genomes are mostly identical. I do think it’s getting better, slowly over time, but we are not yet close to that tipping threshold where enough people have seen enough of the world that we stop seeing the balance of the planet’s population as a competitive threat to our local group.
This nicely explains, I think, your particular form of patriotism. Your statement shows what your existential philosophy is. I would not condemn you for it, that is not my role, but it sure does seem strange to me when I compare it to other patriotism.

This is part of my point, my interest: to locate the idea-structures that operate in people and that determine their views and attitudes. I can understand yours I think quite well. I don't think I agree with it though.

But that difference only points to the larger ideological differences that begin to divide the nation.
 
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