Boo Radley
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probably staffed by the same sort of liars.Josh Sugarmann is well known as both dishonest and wanting complete gun bans
yeah but you want major restrictions that hassle harass and infringe on our rights
If those stats were the stats you brought up with the VPC link, you might have been able to interest me in your argument. Keeping it clumsy and dishonest is not so funny anymore though......
Again, I challenge to find any call from of the kind.
You really do seem to merely be behaving contrary and not addressing anything.
Nor has any one addressed the actual point.
Again, I challenge to find any call from of the kind.
Why don't you just tell us what you DO want. This cowardly method of hiding your true agenda is rather old.
Who says I want anything? I think the present guns are fine. Until someone suggests something I think is better, I'm OK where we are, and have said so all along. However, if I had claim a desire, it would be that those who own and use guns be well schooled and use the tool properly and prudently. Don't know what law to pass for that though.
So guns are dangerous and bad, but you're ok with the laws as they are?
I'd compromise with a national CCW id, that required at least 8hrs of instructional, and a test, this CCW card would be valid in all 50 states..... Not quite constitutional but better than what we have now.
I'd compromise with a national CCW id, that required at least 8hrs of instructional, and a test, this CCW card would be valid in all 50 states..... Not quite constitutional but better than what we have now.
Lots of things are dangerous and bad. I don't call for them to be illegal, but I do talk about being aware of their dangers. Why would this bother you so much?
what bothers me so much is your hysterics and your relying on agenda driven data of folks who wish to take the 2nd from you and I. If you want to talk about the dangers, which people don't deny, you need to be honest about it and put it in perspective.
I don't object to training, but what do you find so oppressive presently?
rev, the only hysterics has been on your side. I've used mulitple sources. Clearly stated my position, and have not be outragous in any way. There has been nothing dishonhest.
rev, the only hysterics has been on your side. I've used mulitple sources. Clearly stated my position, and have not be outragous in any way. There has been nothing dishonhest.
In NJ, there is an awb, normal capacity magazine ban, one gun a month, a law that would outlaw all guns if a biometric gun was ever created, I have to apply for each handgun I wish to purchase with the state. I can be jailed or imprisoned if I have my gun and don't have it locked up correctly or not going to or from a gun store/range..... (see brian aitken)....
Hollow points are illegal, but I can buy them., and I can have them in my home, transporting them from store to home is illegal.
Need I go on?
The only one I question, because I don't quite understand it, is a law that would outlaw all guns if a biometric gun was ever created. Other than that, and being allowed to buy something you can't legally use (perhaps not let you buy it?), I don't see anything too oppressive.
Lots of things are dangerous and bad. I don't call for them to be illegal, but I do talk about being aware of their dangers.
Why would this bother you so much?
And there is your problem....
Brian aitken would disagree with you.
Gun owner Brian Aitken is released from prison after Gov. Christie commutes sentence | NJ.com
also:
b. The Legislature, therefore, declares:
It is within the public interest, and vital to the safety of our families and children, for New Jersey to take the bold and innovative step of fostering the development of personalized handguns by firearms manufacturers. To accomplish this objective, the Legislature determines that it should enact legislation designed to further enhance firearms safety by requiring that, within a specified period of time after the date on which these new personalized handguns are deemed to be available for retail sales purposes, no other type of handgun shall be sold or offered for sale by any registered or licensed firearms dealer in this State.
The fact you see nothing wrong with this overly oppressive laws, is stunning.
And there is your problem....
Brian aitken would disagree with you.
Gun owner Brian Aitken is released from prison after Gov. Christie commutes sentence | NJ.com
also:
b. The Legislature, therefore, declares:
It is within the public interest, and vital to the safety of our families and children, for New Jersey to take the bold and innovative step of fostering the development of personalized handguns by firearms manufacturers. To accomplish this objective, the Legislature determines that it should enact legislation designed to further enhance firearms safety by requiring that, within a specified period of time after the date on which these new personalized handguns are deemed to be available for retail sales purposes, no other type of handgun shall be sold or offered for sale by any registered or licensed firearms dealer in this State.
The fact you see nothing wrong with this overly oppressive laws, is stunning.
I'm not sure what you think your article proves. He was carrying around wepaons in the trunk of his car? And what dos that have to do with what you quote?
So he deserved 7 years in prison? and no, that's not what he was doing.
That's a problem with the penalty. The problem he had has driving around with all those weapons.
He has the right to keep and bear arms.The fact he would be punished for it is a travesty of justice and a blatant violation of his rights.That's a problem with the penalty. The problem he had has driving around with all those weapons.
Why is that a problem?
I have a friend that works as a gunsmith for a local gunshop. Part of his job is to take newly completed custom guns and zero them at the range. Sometimes, he invites me to go with him. Between his guns and my guns, we'll show up at the range with 20+ guns in the truck.
Apparently there was a law against it. Agree with it or not, he shoudl eb aware of the law. Secondly, I have heard no argument that this was job related. If it were, the court case might have gone differently. Who knows. We can't just make up excuses for him. Nor do I think it is oppressive so say don't drive around with a bunch of guns in your trunk. Seems like something most wouldn't be doing anyway.
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