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I know you can read so apparently you are so stuck on your talking points that you can't ?? Are you a robot?
What is it about I could care less about what you have that you can't under stand? Some of the rich earned "worked for" what they have and some of them stole what they have, which are you?
Not at all. I want people to be successful - wildly successful. If a person through their own talent and hard work makes it big - bully for them and I raise my glass in a toast to them.
My comments were geared to a very narrow slice - the silly claim that the rich got an A in personal economics (as one poster identified it) while in reality many who complain the loudest about the rich getting picked on are only rich because they had the dumb luck to be born into a family of means and inherit it.
They did not earn an A in personal economics - they were given an A along with diapers, formual and a nice stroller.
I just find the whole debate surrounding big groups, whether they be rich or poor disturbing and in many ways simplistic. Within the group of people of means are many that as Ann Richards said a number of years ago born on third base and think they hit a triple, but also a large group of people that started with little and did in fact hit a triple.
That being said, I think you miss a key point in what has made America great. A reason I worked 40 years, averaging at least 60 hours a week was not only to make a better life for myself, but as least as important to give my son a better start than I had. As a nation of immigrants I think many forget that the reason so many come here and work their butts off is so that their children will do better than they did and their grandchildren better yet. Sort of standing on the shoulders of their parents.
Take away that motivation and you take a lot of energy out of the American spirit.
With all of that said, there is room between the extremists on both sides. One side says there should be no estate tax at any level of either tax rate or level of estate left behind. The other extreme says confiscate everything.
If your claim that a slightly higher tax for millionaires and billionaires would do away with incentives to be rich than we would have seen no rich people in our history when the tax rates were much higher for millionaires and billionaires then they are today, but that was not the case.
Noticed that you use liberal talking points and talking about fair share, still waiting for you to define fair share when 47% of income earners, mostly 50000 and less don't pay ANY FIT? Keep running and using your talking points.
Can't address the facts so you change the subject. Run, Conservative, run!
If you care less about what I have then stop stereotying me into that group that you hate.
That is the subject, raising taxes on the rich when the rich pay most of the taxes now and 47% of income earners pay nothing in FIT. You are the one running so either answer the question or just admit that you are a troll
Is sterotyping your new key word? I will repeat this just for you, I do not hate any one or any thing. You seem to be so hung up on your things, please enjoy them.
If you did not participate in the wall street scams then why do you feel sterotyped. I have to admit I thought about oil speculation but then I thought about taking the food, clothing and housing away from the middle class, the poor and the elderly just so that I could buy a new caddy or new boat or some other toy, I could not do it, I know you said you give money to charity, I do to and I feel good about it, it feels good to help others with my MONEY. It feels better then driving a caddy or buying some new toy
My daughter is a doctor she "worked hard" to get through school, today she is participating in a occupy wall street demonstration, I feel proud of her she could be a me,me,me, I, I, I person but she is not she choses to think about others and knows that along with her hard work she had opportunities that not many get, shes not a taker she's a giver.
Catawba;1059852275]I have already responded regarding the 47% in this thread. However, you have not addressed my point here:
"If your claim that a slightly higher tax for millionaires and billionaires would do away with incentives to be rich than we would have seen no rich people in our history when the tax rates were much higher for millionaires and billionaires then they are today, but that was not the case."
How do you respond, or will you just run away again?
We have laws to protect investors, so enforce the laws and stop blaming everyone else.
It was our forefathers excellent reason behind all the progressive taxes.
Is sterotyping your new key word? I will repeat this just for you, I do not hate any one or any thing. You seem to be so hung up on your things, please enjoy them.
If you did not participate in the wall street scams then why do you feel sterotyped. I have to admit I thought about oil speculation but then I thought about taking the food, clothing and housing away from the middle class, the poor and the elderly just so that I could buy a new caddy or new boat or some other toy, I could not do it, I know you said you give money to charity, I do to and I feel good about it, it feels good to help others with my MONEY. It feels better then driving a caddy or buying some new toy
My daughter is a doctor she "worked hard" to get through school, today she is participating in a occupy wall street demonstration, I feel proud of her she could be a me,me,me, I, I, I person but she is not she choses to think about others and knows that along with her hard work she had opportunities that not many get, shes not a taker she's a giver.
That is the subject, raising taxes on the rich when the rich pay most of the taxes now and 47% of income earners pay nothing in FIT. You are the one running so either answer the question or just admit that you are a troll
State and local taxes don't fund the Federal govt. nor does FICA(Payroll taxes) but that doesn't stop you and others from distorting the fact.
Your definition of forefathers is pathetic
and as usual, your post is based on a lie
Show us the laws that prevent credit default swaps that resulted in the need to bailout the banks???
Again you run away from my point ("If your claim that a slightly higher tax for millionaires and billionaires would do away with incentives to be rich than we would have seen no rich people in our history when the tax rates were much higher for millionaires and billionaires then they are today, but that was not the case.") because you have no reasonable response to it. So run, Conservative, run!
Obumble is again engaging in pandering to envy and class warfare. His idea of shared sacrifice is a pathetic joke and he wants to buy votes by taking wealth from those who already subsidize too many ungrateful parasites and politicians
Slightly higher? what is slightly higher and what does it generate other than outrage and promotion of class warfare? How about slightly higher than zero from those that aren't paying any taxes, 65 Plus million workers not paying any FIT. Promotion of class warfare ignores the waste, fraud, and abuse by our govt of the tax money they receive yet that doesn't bother you at all.
Maybe you can get a job with George Soros when you get out of school.
Why don't you ever talk about the total tax burden?
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