lizzie
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Quite the powerful words :
United we stand; divided we fall.
Maybe our American Empire will fall , as many seem to desire.
I would like it if Texas became a separate nation, and took Oklahoma and Louisiana with us. Oklahoma has some of the nicest people in the country, and the southern Louisiana men can build or do virtually anything they set their minds to. They are very resourceful, and we (in Texas)have the resources needed.
Four states have been former republics. Several have sporadic or persistent secession movements.
Which state, if it left the US, would make the most functional new country?
The only thing is if Texas did leave the rest of the US would be screwedI would move in a heartbeat.
Before Modern Liberals, Progressives and other Statists corrupted the public's understanding of their own nation, the States were considered to be effectively countries in their own right. Now, they're effectively provinces of the imperial nation at Washington D.C.
I think the Civil War had a little something to do with that.
You are aware anything west of the "coast range" is the Pacific Ocean.
That is a very good point, but in order to maintain the standard of living they'd have to adjust to a strictly agriculture based economy. Perhaps it would work, but there would be a lot of adjusting for the people living in the proposed country of Kansas (for example)
hy would Texas have to shrink it's livestock industry, I'd see that as a great potential export. As far as water though, they have a very long coastline and with the use of distillation they could use ocean water to provide for their drinking needs. Singapore is in the process of doing that now.
Honestly, I think Texas would be a very viable self sustaining nation.
California is the nations biggest food exporter, and produces more than it's population needs (agriculture, dairy, livestock, fish, etc.). Like Texas it also has abundant resources (oil, minerals, lumber and water). Beyond that it has a long standing reputation as a hub for the entertainment and technology industries, which generate lots of capital for very small input.
Beyond that California has some of the best deep water harbors in the entire world, excellent for international commerce.
As far as water regulation, with the Sierra-Neveada Mountains, CA generally has enough water to meet it's needs, but what is lacking could easily be overcome by the installation of distillation facilities on the coast.
I say Puerto Rico would make a fine independent country.
I voted for Hawaii. Not because it's already got experience as such (being so long ago, it wouldn't really be relevant anyway, or because it would satisfy conservatives by ACTUALLY making Barack Obama's birthplace a foreign country, or because I want to get rid of them. (Although the new Hawaii Five-O is far below the original in quality, even with the fabulous Grace Park.)
Rather, it's because it's got four things every independent nation needs:
1. A way to set up its own economy: All that tourism money means they'd be at least as well off as the better-off Caribbean nations. This is something the Quebec separatists didn't get: The federal government in Ottawa would have said, "Oh yeah? You don't want our government? Then you can't use our money. Good luck setting up and saving your economy."
2. A way to set up its own military: The U.S. would probably make a deal to allow Pearl Harbor to still take in U.S. ships & servicemen, but a Hawaiian Army, Navy and Air Force would be possible. This is something the "Republic of Texas" morons have not considered: Less strategically important than Hawaii would be, the U.S. forces would pull out, and the Texans would have to defend their border with Mexico with... with... with what, exactly? The State would be majority-Hispanic in about 5 years, and the conservatives would be out of power.
3. Universal health coverage, like every industrialized nation has. Except, of course, for America as a whole.
4. Good relations with the U.S. Everybody likes Hawaii. Except, maybe, for the birthers.
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