Which side would you stand with?

[Nap]

Nap, you are right: you are not the judge.

Those who saw it and witnessed it can judge. If you sit down and watch objectively, who had the torches, the guns, the shields, the weapons?

Who wants to create a white ethno-state?

Whose heritage is in the camps of the Commies and the Nazis. It's the Alt Right.

If you want to be completely objective. Wouldn't it be natural to carry some form of personal defense if you know you are likely to be attacked?

They are essentially trying to recreate the Reds vs Brown Shirts here in America, and Antifa is taking the bait. Have you ever heard the saying about those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it? The more violence people see in the streets the more likely they will call for the government to end it, which is how you end up with an authoritarian regime.

As for your last question, I would say that Antifa falls into the communist camp and Alt-Right falls into the Nazi camp.

 

[countryboy]

Nap, you are right: you are not the judge.

Those who saw it and witnessed it can judge. If you sit down and watch objectively, who had the torches, the guns, the shields, the weapons?

Who wants to create a white ethno-state?

Whose heritage is in the camps of the Commies and the Nazis. It's the Alt Right.

So you are just going to ignore the well known history of AntiFah, and their use of weaponry and violence? How....typical. :roll:

 

[vesper]

I am not sure folks really understand the definition of fascism. In reading the Annuals of America vol. 13, Progressive era there seems to have been an international movement throughout the world of fascism. Though Mussolini is called the father of fascism, it appeared in different forms in different countries. Italy it was corporatism where business was married to government. In Germany it showed up as a genocidal racist nationalism. And in the U.S. there were tenants of fascism being espoused by prominent Progressives. From DuBois who praised Hitler's Germany to Irving Berlin praising Mussolini in songs. There was no shortage of journalists and authors in the early 20th century that espoused fascism was the way for our future.

Historian Charles Beard wrote of Mussolini’s efforts: “Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made, an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.”



H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”

In Germany, the Nazis were hard socialists. They believed in free healthcare and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth. The authority of the state was inserted into every aspect of a person's daily life. They loathed the Free Market. They supported abortion, gun control and euthanasia. And believed German Volk were the supreme race. In the 1930's they banned prayer in school and all religious classes after the age of 14.

So why is it that the group Anti-Fa whose ideology is more in line with the Hitler's fascism are now being called the anti-fascists?

 

[JamesBY]

If you want to be completely objective. Wouldn't it be natural to carry some form of personal defense if you know you are likely to be attacked?

They are essentially trying to recreate the Reds vs Brown Shirts here in America, and Antifa is taking the bait. Have you ever heard the saying about those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it? The more violence people see in the streets the more likely they will call for the government to end it, which is how you end up with an authoritarian regime.

As for your last question, I would say that Antifa falls into the communist camp and Alt-Right falls into the Nazi camp.

No one is doing anything of the sort.

Other than, yes, the Alt Right are the Brown Shirts, and you know how that will end in America.

 

[apdst]

I wouldn't stand with either, but I would defend both's right to free speech.

 

[JamesBY]

vesper wrote in completer error that "So why is it that the group Anti-Fa whose ideology is more in line with the Hitler's fascism are now being called the anti-fascists?"

The true fascists are the Alt Right, white nationalist ethno-state, nativism, uber nationalism, antidemocracy, torches, shields, clubs, guns.

 

[JamesBY]

countryboy can propagandize with "So you are just going to ignore the well known history of AntiFah, and their use of weaponry and violence?" even though it was the Alt Right fascists who used guns, torches, shields, clubs, and dogs to oppose their anti-fascist opponents.

 

[apdst]

So you are just going to ignore the well known history of AntiFah, and their use of weaponry and violence? How....typical. :roll:

That isn't hard to believe. There are people who deny the Holocaust too.

 

[apdst]

countryboy can propagandize with "So you are just going to ignore the well known history of AntiFah, and their use of weaponry and violence?" even though it was the Alt Right fascists who used guns, torches, shields, clubs, and dogs to oppose their anti-fascist opponents.

You're mistake, is that you're trying to claim antifa is more righteous than the nazis. In reality, both are human trash.

 

[PeteEU]

Lets see.. stand with the Trump Neo Nazi scum or those that oppose fascism, racism, sexism, anti-Semitism and bigotry or neither. There is no neither... Antifa might going about it in the wrong way and should not be violent but everyone should be against NAZIS for **** sake.

 

[JamesBY]

You're mistake, is that you're trying to claim antifa is more righteous than the nazis. In reality, both are human trash.

It was the Alt Right fascists who used guns, torches, shields, clubs, and dogs to oppose their anti-fascist opponents.

That truth will never change. You are correct that the Alt Right is trash.

 

[apdst]

It was the Alt Right fascists who used guns, torches, shields, clubs, and dogs to oppose their anti-fascist opponents.

That truth will never change. You are correct that the Alt Right is trash.

I like how you try portray the antifa assholes as innocent victims.

 

[DiAnna]

12 now.

Anti-Fa 12 17.39%
brothern, CharloTexan, d0gbreath, haymarket, instagramsci, katzgar, Peter King, RabidAlpaca, RickJames3000, shrubnose, ThoughtEx., Winston

It's strange that they don't realize that anti-fa (who is supposedly anti-fascism) tactics are tactics that fascists use. Perhaps they can tell use why using Fascist tactics will help ....... fight Fascism.....

This is the payoff, isn't it? Along with proof that this was by design nothing but a "gotcha" thread. You could be, and have been, so much better than this.

 

[Josie]

This is the payoff, isn't it? Along with proof that this was by design nothing but a "gotcha" thread. You could be, and have been, so much better than this.

A "gotcha" thread? The poll question was clear - the poll answers were simple and clear. There was no deception or trickery in the poll question or answers. There was no "gotcha" moment.

 

[JamesBY]

I like how you try portray the antifa assholes as innocent victims.

You go vulgar because your Alt Right nature is called out. You are no better at it here than other venues.

 

[JamesBY]

Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
This is the payoff, isn't it? Along with proof that this was by design nothing but a "gotcha" thread. You could be, and have been, so much better than this.

A "gotcha" thread? The poll question was clear - the poll answers were simple and clear. There was no deception or trickery in the poll question or answers. There was no "gotcha" moment.

So much better, yes; just leave 'gotcha' alone.

 

[Josie]

Lets see.. stand with the Trump Neo Nazi scum or those that oppose fascism, racism, sexism, anti-Semitism and bigotry or neither. There is no neither... Antifa might going about it in the wrong way and should not be violent but everyone should be against NAZIS for **** sake.

Why do you think "Neither" means that you're FOR the Nazis?

 

[Josie]

So much better, yes; just leave 'gotcha' alone.

^ Does anyone understand this?

 

[apdst]

You go vulgar because your Alt Right nature is called out. You are no better at it here than other venues.

Antifa trash is no better than nazi trash. Trash is trash.

 

[apdst]

Lets see.. stand with the Trump Neo Nazi scum or those that oppose fascism, racism, sexism, anti-Semitism and bigotry or neither. There is no neither... Antifa might going about it in the wrong way and should not be violent but everyone should be against NAZIS for **** sake.

BLM is anti-Israel. That's one step away from re-igniting the Holocaust.

 

[JamesBY]

^ Does anyone understand this?

we all do

No moral equivalency exists between the fascist alt right and their opponents. Any attempt to do will always be a failed 'gotcha' moment.

Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post Antifa trash is no better than nazi trash. Trash is trash.

I agree that the Alt Right is trash.

Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post BLM is anti-Israel. That's one step away from re-igniting the Holocaust.

Think before you write.

Much of the Alt Right is anti-Israel. The chants of "Jews won't replace us" rings in the ears of the chanters' betters.

 

[jdog21]

Neither :shrug:

now what the more interesting question would be what if you didnt have a choice . . . . what if you found yourself in the middle of the fight and HAD to pick a side?

I would have to choose the side thats NOT hitting me.

 

[AGENT J]

I would have to choose the side thats NOT hitting me.

LOL thats a good choice
for me, logically and percentage wise that would not be the white nationalist side

 

[apdst]

we all do

No moral equivalency exists between the fascist alt right and their opponents. Any attempt to do will always be a failed 'gotcha' moment.



I agree that the Alt Right is trash.



Think before you write.

Much of the Alt Right is anti-Israel. The chants of "Jews won't replace us" rings in the ears of the chanters' betters.

Looks like you have something in common with the nazis. Yes?

 

[Josie]

Anyone who thinks this poll was created to show a "moral equivalence" between the two groups is reading into things that aren't there for their own "gotcha" purposes.