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I am trying to get a realistic view on what people believe will most likely happen.
The argument goes on about if gays should have the right to marry the person that they want to actually marry, legally, and have that marriage recognized in every state.
But my question is more on what is most likely to happen, civil unions for same sex couples with the exact same or at least most of the same rights/responsibilities/benefits as opposite sex marriage or just same sex marriage? I'm looking for basis on current court cases moving up, judge and Justice views, laws associated with this, positions of those in Congress, the President, the people, and an overall legal standpoint. Not asking if it is right or wrong, just asking what you believe is likely to happen and when you would expect to see it.
I even want some discussion from those who believe it will never come and/or that there will/might be a federal Constitutional Amendment banning same sex marriage and support for this in Congress.
Many against same sex marriage are in support of civil unions for same sex couples, with all the legal aspects of marriage, but without the name. I do not believe that this is likely to happen before marriage is simply opened up to same sex couples nationwide, like what happened after Loving v. VA.
Possible timelines that some might foresee could be interesting as well.
I am trying to get a realistic view on what people believe will most likely happen.
The argument goes on about if gays should have the right to marry the person that they want to actually marry, legally, and have that marriage recognized in every state.
But my question is more on what is most likely to happen, civil unions for same sex couples with the exact same or at least most of the same rights/responsibilities/benefits as opposite sex marriage or just same sex marriage? I'm looking for basis on current court cases moving up, judge and Justice views, laws associated with this, positions of those in Congress, the President, the people, and an overall legal standpoint. Not asking if it is right or wrong, just asking what you believe is likely to happen and when you would expect to see it.
I even want some discussion from those who believe it will never come and/or that there will/might be a federal Constitutional Amendment banning same sex marriage and support for this in Congress.
Many against same sex marriage are in support of civil unions for same sex couples, with all the legal aspects of marriage, but without the name. I do not believe that this is likely to happen before marriage is simply opened up to same sex couples nationwide, like what happened after Loving v. VA.
Possible timelines that some might foresee could be interesting as well.
I believe they will allow 'civil unions', but will re-define a civil union so that it has all the same rights as a 'marriage'
I think that is perhaps the most stupid solution - arguing over 'terms' rather than principals, but I'm afraid that's the most-likely.
Why give homosexuals the same rights, but refuse to call it what it is? If they're in love, who are we to stop them? If my theory comes true, I will start calling my wife's and my 'marriage' a 'civil union'. Why should I feel entitled to a term and not someone else simply because of the gender I was born to prefer?
I am just wondering why you think that civil unions are likely to come first? I really am just curious because I see opening marriage up to same sex couples as easier than changing everything. Do you think that some Congressmembers may try to preempt a decision by the SCOTUS that would strike down DOMA by instead implementing same sex civil unions? (I see this as really the most likely reason for same sex civil unions with federal recognition to get any headway. I honestly believe that many who say they are for civil unions are more for hoping that DOMA holds up as long as possible and maybe even hoping that they could get enough support for an actual Anti-SSM Amendment.)
Other - as in no change in current law. Not in my lifetime anyway. SSM fails big every time, every where it appears on a ballot.
Other - as in no change in current law. Not in my lifetime anyway. SSM fails big every time, every where it appears on a ballot.
I really doubt the ballot box is where SSM will be instituted.
Has shown in the thread earlier the ballot box could matter very little in cases of discrimination.
Good point, it will have to be imposed judicially, but again, not in my lifetime. Maybe two or three more generations at the soonest.
Somebody said society always moves to the left. I don't know. I think it's more like a pendulum. The 1920s were more liberal, say, than the 1940s. My kids will probably be a tad more liberal than I, theirs a tad more conservative in turn. It would take quite a broad sweep of the pendulum to gain voter approval.
Not sure what you mean, but there is no discrimination when it comes to SSM. We all have the same right to marry one person of the opposite sex.
Actually I would be surprised if it didn't happen this decade. It's already trending that way, and there are a few court cases that could see SSM introduced within the next 5 years
So you frame it as a women's rights issue. Cute trick. It does leave homosexual men out of the picture, though, doesn't it?Why should a man be able to marry a woman, but not for a woman to be able to marry a woman? It is discrimination, trying to deny that is dishonest
Not sure what you mean, but there is no discrimination when it comes to SSM. We all have the same right to marry one person of the opposite sex.
Actually I would be surprised if it didn't happen this decade. It's already trending that way, and there are a few court cases that could see SSM introduced within the next 5 years.
I think civil unions will happen. It would be wrong to go against state laws and illegally force all states to redefine marriage to include homosexual relationships.
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